User talk:Fionordequester

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Testing
Your test edit on Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Revelation/Getting Started worked and has been deleted. If you wish to test out the system and wiki markup, please use the sandbox instead. Thanks for understanding! —  Pro cyon  02:18, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Revelation
I cleaned up Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Revelation and Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Revelation/Table of Contents to try and bring them inline with the rest of the site. I highly encourage you to read our StrategyWiki Guide in order to become more familiar with the policies of the site, and to examine our other Dragon Quest guides, particularly Dragon Warrior II and Dragon Warrior III. I think your Table of Contents for DQ6 is way too broken down and many of those links should be organized into larger groupings. Let us know if you have any questions.  Pro cyon  02:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I've rearranged the ToC slightly. One thing still required is to switch from title case to sentence case. If any of titles are directly from in-game, they can follow in-game case. Otherwise, only the first word, and proper nouns should be capitalized. -- Prod (talk) 14:28, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Are the chapter/level names taken directly from of the game? If so, follow their case. We like to stay as true to the game as possible.  Everything else in the ToC should be sentence case.
 * Always glad to help, feel free to ask any questions! -- Prod (talk) 18:18, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Neutral point of view
Guides are open for anyone to edit, and to accomodate multiple authors we've decided to use a neutral point of view, meaning content should be written in the third person, with no opinions and a somewhat professional tone. Please keep this in mind as you're editing, and try to avoid words like "I" or "we", or use of slang or non-factual information. Thanks for helping us keep our guide pages polished! —  Pro cyon  00:57, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize, but for the reason stated above, I had to delete your "Goals of this Walkthrough" page. Actually for a number of reasons.  Please remember that SW is a collaborative community.  You may be the primary author of a guide, but several other people can and will contribute to it along with you, so there is no claim of ownership over any guide on this site, it's the product of collective effort.  Additionally, the goals you stated for the guide are pretty much the goals of every guide on the site, so it was a bit redundant to state that explicitly for this one particular guide.  Please bare in mind that the majority audience of this guide will not be speed runners, but rather casual players.  Also, watch out for your tendency to rely heavily on the phrase "that said."  Thanks.   Pro  cyon  01:11, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Responses
A couple of things: Lastly, please bare in mind that you are guilty of doing the same thing you accuse other guide authors of doing: writing about how to beat the game the way you're used to beating the game, only in your case, you're not taking the time to consider why the reader is consulting the guide. Yes, some players will want to know, and be grateful for, an explanation about the best way to do it. But many players consult a guide only when they need help, and by that time, they have probably strayed far from the most optimized path through the game. The members of this audience should not be neglected, or your guide will be substantially less useful to them than the others that you've criticized. This isn't a personal attack on your approach; It sounds like the guide you envisioned would be excellent for seasoned players. But the goal of this site is to help players of all levels, so we work very hard to address all visitors to the site, not just pros.  Pro cyon  12:28, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) The filename for the map that you uploaded should at least begin with DQ6, or something else to indicate what game it's from.
 * 2) The text at the top of the map should be removed.  That text should only exist in the upload description of the file, not on the map itself.
 * 3) The uploaded screenshots should ideally be at the native resolution of the system they were taken from.  So if those are SNES screenshots, they should be at 256x224 resolution (or 256x240 if you're not clipping the top 8 and bottom 8 scanlines.)
 * 4) The text in the walkthrough is fine.  However, please don't link to individual items, we tend not to do that here.  You can do something like: Seeds of Life, assuming you have a page named Items with a heading named Seeds.  It will take the reader to the start of the Seeds header on the Items page.
 * The ToC is much better, thanks! A few of the Getting Started/Appendices links needs the same treatment. -- Prod (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Knowing how much or how little emphasis to give to a point in your walkthrough is a learning process. I've been writing guides since 1996, and I made my first contribution to SW in 2006.  I'm still learning how to make that determination.  I look back on a lot of my older guides and cringe.  The only difference between now and then is that I know I won't get it right on my first try.  Another difficulty that new editors have when starting here is dissecting your ego from your writing.  This was true for me as well.  It's why a lot of established GameFAQs authors don't like contributing to wikis.  They don't like giving up complete control over the content, and removing any self-attribution from their work.  Speaking of which, I moved your Special Thanks section to the talk page on the Walkthrough, as that was a more appropriate location for it.  The Walkthrough page, like all content pages, should be free of any personalization.  Let us know if you need any more help.   Pro  cyon  00:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Regarding the ego bit, it may help to point out that we're modeled directly after Wikipedia, and we follow their rules and philosophy of collaborative contribution with very little exception. So if you're used to contributing at Wikipedia, contributing here feels more natural.  If you haven't contributed to Wikipedia, then yeah, it's an adjustment.  Concerning the Walkthrough page, the best thing to put there if you're not sure, is a brief overview of the game (as spoiler free as possible, but that's tough to pull off).  Descriptions of alternate pathways through the game are also a good idea.  Again, existing Dragon Warrior guides should provide some examples, as well as any of our featured guides, which have been community selected as the best examples the site has to offer.  I highly encourage you to examine these guides and "steal" ideas from them liberally.  Pro  cyon  03:56, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
 * A couple more responses:


 * 1) When it comes to Japanese resources, I realize you're not going to be able to ask for permission.  In general, reusing these resources is accepted as long as you provide credits in the upload description.  If anyone is concerned about you reusing it, they will contact the site and we'll take it down upon request.  The likelihood of that happening is incredibly small.  However...
 * 2) Uploading images with Japanese text is generally discouraged, including screenshots and/or maps.  There's not much you can do about screenshots.  If you're talented with an image editor such as Photoshop or GiMP, you can replace the Japanese with English text.  But yeah, that DS map you linked to is pretty poor...
 * 3) Be careful when uploading images, you've uploaded quite a few that aren't being utilized on any page.  If you are not going to use images that you've uploaded, please edit the image description and add    to alert one of the system admins to remove the file.  Any images we can cut will help us out.
 * 4) Don't forget to sign posts that you leave on talk pages by typing ~ .  And just some basic netiquette; try to avoid religious greetings in order to avoid offending anyone.  Thanks.   Pro  cyon  18:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The categorization of an image, correctly or incorrectly, does not determine whether the image is being used. It must be referenced on a guide page for the image to be considered in use.  At the moment, the following files are unused: File:DQVI_-_Campfire_at_Murdaw%27s.png, File:DQVI_-_Milly_Prepares_to_Summon_the_Dragon.png, and File:DQ6_Pass_to_Haggleton.png.  If any of these files contain images that you no longer intend to include on any guide pages, please mark them with  .  If you do plan on using them, and just haven't gotten around to it yet, you don't need to do anything.   Pro  cyon  14:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

DQ6 Ch. 5 title
Why does the fifth chapter title keep changing? (You can reply here, you don't need to reply on my user page. We monitor every edit, we'll see it when you respond.)   Pro  cyon  17:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought the title were based on in-game chapter names. If there's no in-game corollary and the names you choose can't be used to help the reader figure out what part of the walkthrough they should be reading, then don't come up with poetic names, name them something useful.  But beyond that, please don't fill a page with lots of tiny micro-edits.  Use the Show Preview button to see how you like a change, and only save it once when you are satisfied with it.  Thank you.   Pro  cyon  18:00, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Updating images.
If you want to update a previously uploaded image, all you have to do is visit the image page and click on the link that says: "Upload a new version of this file". You don't need to request that the old version be deleted, it will simply be replaced by the new version.  Pro cyon  13:28, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the sentiment, but there's no need to thank me, I do it for the love of the site. Please, please, please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by putting ~ at the end of your messages.   Pro  cyon  00:40, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Source references
Try to avoid mentioning where you got information from directly in the page, since it's not part of the guide. For example, on one page you mention "Stats by "Behindtheword's" guide on Gamefaqs". Instead of putting that on the page, put it in the edit history, on the talk page, or as a reference (if there is further information for the user). -- Prod (talk) 19:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Progress
I'm not very familiar with DQ6, so I'm not really in a position to comment on the content. The guide does appear to contain a lot of helpful tips for readers. Just a couple of observations:
 * 1) Try to limit (read: eliminate) the tendency to ask questions of the reader.  For example, "Do you remember...?"  Not every reader will read your guide linearly, and questions often have a tendency to confuse or muddle the point you are trying to make.
 * 2) Also please reduce the amount of SHOUTING that you are doing in your guide.  There are more effective techniques to emphasize a point besides bold-facing and all caps.  WHEN YOU DO THIS notice how much your eye is drawn to the boldface text, which makes it harder to read the rest of the text around it.
 * 3) Finally, how many times must we remind you to sign your posts?   Pro  cyon  14:57, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanking
If you check a diff that someone made, near the top there's a "Thank" button. It's an easier way to send appreciation to others. Also, I did a few styling/layout tweaks here. -- Prod (talk) 03:01, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

YouTube videos
We have a template on the site specifically for the purpose of adding a YouTube video to your guide. Please search the site to find an example of it being used so that you can a) learn how to include it in your guide and b) learn how to search around the site to find other examples of things you might like to learn.  Pro cyon  18:29, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm kind of disappointed in you. I gave you an assignment to search around the site to look for other examples of how to use our YouTube template, and you clearly didn't bother to try. If you had just typed "youtube" into the site search bar, you would have found multiple pages that include this template. Then you could have clicked the Edit link to look at how those templates are used properly, and incorporated it into your guide. By not bothering to learn how to do it for yourself you a) have created work for one of the site administrator to correct your mistake and b) you are likely to make the same mistake again. We don't mind helping people out and telling them how to do certain tasks, but you seem smart enough to learn how to figure things out for yourself. You simply have to make an effort to do so.  Pro cyon  22:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, fair enough, I figured you would try searching for YouTube rather than external links. You made the effort and came up with a different answer.  I apologize for jumping to the wrong conclusion.  Please consider these other points:
 * Please get into the habit of using Show Preview before you save your work. You're making a ton of micro-edits in a small period of time, which is adding to the back log of edits that have to be patrolled.  Please examine how the page is coming with Show Preview instead, and don't save the page until you're absolutely satisfied with your work.
 * Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Revelation/Bestiary‎ and Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Revelation/Armour absolutely cannot stay in that condition. You must wikify those tables or we will have to remove the content.  I know it's a lot of work, but that's kind of what you signed on for when you decided to locate that content there.
 * Hey, just a note: It would do a lot to improve the readability of that bestiary table if you reduced the text in the RESIST column. If an enemy has a resist of 0 for a particular spell, why list it at all?  Probably best to only list spells where the resist is 1 or higher.  That will cut the size down tremendously.  The other thing you could do instead, is make each monster its own table, like the FAQ you were drawing inspiration from.  You might be able to catch me on discord tonight if you log in to the chat.   Pro  cyon  01:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Lastly, I saw you were asking about converting your work here back to another site. Understand that all content on this site is governed by the CC-BY-SA license which stipulates that you are free to share the content on other sites, but that you must attribute the work back to the originating site (StrategyWiki), and that you must release it under the same license.  So if, for example, GameFAQs does not abide by the CC-BY-SA license (and I don't believe that it does,) you technically can't release the work there (although no one is really going to come after you legally for being in violation.)  Pro  cyon  03:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Page rename
Hi Fionordequester. You kind of have to make a choice. Either the page should be called "All About Vocations" with all title capitalization, or it should be called "All about vocations" with sentence capitalization. You shouldn't really mix between the two and capitalize "Vocations" but not "about". We prefer sentence capitalization whenever possible. Which would you like?  Pro cyon  21:29, 2 July 2016 (UTC)