Talk:Pokémon Diamond and Pearl

Okay, I am the main contributor to this artcicle, what's the problem? 0-172 14:23, 1 October 2006 (CDT)

As more infromation comes out I will be creating individual pages for each Pokemon. And creating more pages and the walkthrough. 0-172 19:54, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

Thanks for the contribs, Lunar Knight. I've now done quite a bit, too. I look forward to working together with you ^_^ Myth 23:44, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

New Page
How do I create a new page? I have noticed that the guide is missing several pages, including Route 205 (Eterna City Side). Secondly, I haven't seen any maps. Am I allowed to copy maps from a game guide? I tried reading the license page, but it didn't make sense. Chrestomanci21 09:00, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 * An easy way to create a new page is to make a link to the page you want to create in some useful place (such as in the right place in the Table of Contents), then click the link. Next, click the "Guide page" button above the editing area to preload the necessary parts of the page, write the page content, and save it. :-) Generally, you aren't allowed to copy maps from game guides, unless the game guide is under the GFDL license (i.e. the same license as us). You'll have to make your own, or use in-game screenshots. --DrBob (talk) 09:16, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

Pokédex
I have scrapped my old idea. I am now in the process of adding sprite images of each of the Pokemon to the table. Once I am finished with that I will totally reorganize that table, and put in order of Pokedex #. I have great ambitions for this article. 0-172 17:59, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Bear in mind our partnership with Bulbapedia; rather than duplicate work, you could just link to their Pokémon articles. --DrBob (Talk) 13:18, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
 * I will link them to Bulbapedia's articles, but I want to provide sprites on the table as well, so that you can get the general info on the Pokemon and the sprites on the table, and I will link the names to Bulbapedia for those who require more information. 0-172 18:22, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

Picture
There's a new picture in English on Wikipedia, I'll get it soon if no one else does, i'm trying to get a game done today!--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 12:25, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Pokemon Diamond and Pearl contributions?
This is a request to anyone who owns Pokemon Diamond or Pearl. I'd like someone to look over my contributions to the berry list, Pokeball list, Pokemon Mansion, and Eterna Forest. It would be much appreciated. Sincerely, Myth 10:44, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Pokémon list
Is there a way that we can have a list of where to see every Pokémon in the game,. I think it'd be very helpful.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 02:34, 6 June 2007 (CDT)


 * I agree that it would be very helpful, as virtually no one has a list like that. I'll try and contribute to one if I have the time. Myth 15:06, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm thinking of a list of where you can see all of the Pokémon to get the national Dex, that'd be very helpful.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 09:51, 1 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Not sure if this is true, but to me, Honey Trees seem to have different Pokemon (I think Windworks was Burmy and the meadow place was the monkey (Aipom?)), so if it is, try to list specific honey trees. Again, I'm not sure if it works that way, or if it just happened to be that way for me. Also, I read somewhere that you will see every Pokemon if you battle every trainer, so for rarer Pokemon we can list their trainers. EElensar 16:55, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, you can get these only from honey trees: Aipom, Heracross, Burmy, Combee, Cherubi and Munchlax aaccording to bulbapedia see here dunno about different trees though.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 17:00, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 * I'll study honey trees for the next few days (I'll have plenty of time to waste at school) and see if it was just coincidence or if it does work that way. EElensar 20:19, 12 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok, I've spent the last few days puttin honey on the same trees (around Floaroma and a few others), and my theory is definitely bogus. I get different Pokémon everytime (if I get one). EElensar 20:10, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Incorrect info on a Pokétch app for D/P?
I noticed that the Coin Flip Pokétch app info says that the Magikarp is the heads side and the Pokéball is the tails side. I always thought it was vice-versa. Am I wrong? Myth 16:46, 13 June 2007 (CDT) P.S.(I know this is a technical and seemingly pointless question, but I just want to have correct info)


 * I wanted to back up my idea with this theory. Isn't the animal on a real quarter on the tails side? And isn't the thing that can capture the eagle (if you want to think of it like that) on the heads side? If that's true, then the eagle (Magikarp) is tails, and the capturer (Pokéball) is the heads side. Myth 23:54, 13 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Typically the non-person side is the tails side, but this coin doesn't have a person. Another way to look at it is that Magikarp (being a creature) is comparable to the head, while the Poké Ball (being an object) is comparable to the tail. If it doesn't actually say in the game ("oh! It's tails!") or manual or whatever I guess there is no "official" way. GarrettTalk 23:59, 13 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Garrett is correct. The Magikarp (living object) is heads, and the Poké Ball (inanimate object) is tails.  Procyon (Talk) 00:05, 14 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Even though this is settled, from a purely analytical point of view, I would say Magikarp would be tails because it's a fish. With a tail.  Lol.  --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 00:17, 14 June 2007 (CDT)


 * (nice, Notmyhandle ^_^) Nothing says either way is correct, so I don't think anyone knows. Myth 15:15, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

Re-challenging Gym Leaders in D/P?
In Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald you could see who you could re-challenge w/ Match Call. But in D/P, you can only re-challenge trainers with the Key Item gadget, which can't be used in buildings. Does anyone know if you can re-challenge Gym Leaders or not in D/P? Myth 15:18, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Is this only in emerald, I've been playing for... too long in my ruby and there's nothing.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 15:45, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, duh. It is only in Emerald. I'd completely forgotten. That will probably answer a bunch of people's questions. Myth 16:31, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
 * But my question still hasn't been answered. Myth 18:34, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

Competitive Battling Info?
Why doesn't StrategyWiki have any competitive battling info, like IVs, EVs, etcetera? Seems ever since Meowth346 left the competitive community, there's been a lack of information on the subject. --Tathar 14:03, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * We've got a guide at Pokémon/Competitive battling, although it's not linked to by much and was originally written before DP even existed. GarrettTalk 18:03, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I've now added links to it (and the similarly universal Pokémon/Breeding) from all the games, so hopefully more people can find it now. GarrettTalk 18:27, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Given the drastic differences to the game mechanics in D/P, competitive battling is greatly affected and most of the information from that link does not apply to the fourth generation. Tathar 16:39, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Link to Psypoke
If Psypoke is listed as a source, then does that mean we can use any information on their website except for strategy guides? Just wanted to know... Myth 20:27, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It depends. Since all info on Psypoke is copyrighted, you may only use info that you would be able to find in-game (like names of Pokémon and what each trainer uses, stuff like that), because that stuff cannot be copyrighted by individual people (as it is from the game, it is owned by Game Freaks and Nintendo, however, the WAY it is presented CAN be copyrighted). Therefore, I really wouldn't use it as a base source, try searching for some other free alternative first. -- 20:44, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
 * So basically I can use anything like names of Pokémon, moves, list of items found in the area, and basic stuff like that? Myth 01:17, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes, since that is all stuff from the game and cannot be copyrighted by other sources (no matter what they say). You don't even need to cite/link to them on each of the guide pages, since it is in-game info that you are getting (and they have a link on the front page anyway). However, if you are going for that kind of stuff, try using Bulbapedia instead, which StrategyWiki currently has a partnership with (if you were wondering why the first mention of a Pokémon is linked there, now you know). -- 09:46, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

AUS Release
Just to let you know, the Australian release is today, the 21st (and I fixed the release dates up on the page to match this), my Pearl version has come in, I'd gladly help you guys with anything. Give me a shout if there's anything I can do, I'll be running past the opening sections using the guide just to check it through.--Froglet 10:12, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Route 224
Should a Route 224 section be included? Although it is a dead-end for anybody who hasn't hacked to get Shaymin, shouldn't there be a sections in case someone goes there? I can't edit the table with the links to all the different sections to the walkthroughViolinsavvy99 15:00, 30 June 2007 (CDT)Violinsavvy99

I think there should be a section for that. Although it is a dead end, it is a great training spot and a good place to catch high level Pokèmon like Chatot and Gastrodon. Chrestomanci21 16:38, 30 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Be bold and add it! You should be able to add a link to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl/Table of Contents to the new page. Thanks, and happy editing. :-) --DrBob (Talk) 18:08, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

Checking
Hi, I'm just checking, with the transfer of Pokémon from R/S/E, will the item they're carrying be transferred as well, if this is the case then I'll add it to this page and delete the Recovery items page here.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 14:56, 7 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, when using Pal Park, everything about the Pokémon is identical in terms of held item, stats, IVs, EVs, and even if it was shiny or not, any nicknames, etc. The only thing changed is where it was caught, like if it was caught on Route 2 in Fire Red, then the place it was caught would read Kanto, not Route 2. Angel14995 20:32, 28 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 02:58, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

Spelling Errors on Table of Contents
Sometimes I've seen that people make spelling errors on the table of contents and therefore make links to pages with the url spelled wrong. I'm trying to fix this, but please be aware that don't make a url unless you are sure3 the spelling is correct.
 * Simply move the incorrectly name page to the proper name (Move button at the top of each page) and fix any links to it. If there are any problems ask a sysop for help.  Also, please remember to sign your comments.  Happy editing! -- Prod (Talk) 22:15, 10 July 2007 (CDT)


 * Sorry Violinsavvy99 20:26, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

Cloning Cheat Problem
My brother-in-law and I attempted the GTS cloning cheat, but it doesn't seem to work. Perhaps it's only valid in the Japanese version? Or maybe some clarification needs to be made for when exactly to shut the DS off. --dhelor 02:24, 01 August 2007 (PDT)


 * Yeah, thats never worked for me. I've heard rumor that Nintendo has corrected the GTS so no one can use it to clone Pokémon anymore. Lunar Knight (Talk to me + Contribs) 19:56, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Routes in order?
Could we place a general overview that, what else, generalls overviews each section of the game? Like all the routes and towns/cities and others so that, not during the walkthrough, general data can be looked up, that way things like the Pokémon that are availible, items to be found, and stuff like that be added in? More of a referance than a guide, but overall just a world map help part.

And I was thinking we need a uniform size for all Pokémon pictures. That way all the tables and pictures look good, not just like "I found a big picture of a Metang and am posting that, not bother to resive it to make it fit correctly in the table!"

Ideas? Angel14995 15:52, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

And I just thought of this: A set template for all routes, cities, and other places (like caves and strange places... *eerie music plays*)Angel14995 21:20, 27 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Angel, please take some time to review the format used throughout Pokémon Red and Blue, which is the same style in which Pokémon Gold and Silver is currently in the process of being revamped. Those guides are there to serve as an example of how other Pokémon walkthroughs should be established.  Also, please make sure that every page in the Diamond and Pearl walkthrough receives a properly formatted Footer Nav.  Thank you.  Procyon (Talk) 09:44, 28 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Ok, I'll do that. But I've looked at those guides before and I have a little problem with the maps. I know I won't be able to do them, so I would like it if someone else did. I also have to say that most of the trainer data I am collecting will be from the "VS. Seeker", so some of the levels and rewards might be slightly wrong if I am to do it that way, but I will go back and check out as many trainers as I can. And I will make sure the Footer Navs are correctly made. they should go to the next part in the walkthrough, am I correct? I had noticed some of the last places like Turnback Cave skipped a page, so i made it go to the next page. And your welcome, I'll help out as much as I can. Angel14995 13:47, 28 August 2007 (CDT)
 * You don't have to collect all the information yourself (your choice), just try to follow the formatting and leave space for others to fill in the gaps. The Footer Navs should link to both the previous and next pages in the guide (and use customnext or customprev for branching sections).  If you need any more info, we'll be around to help :). -- Prod (Talk) 22:58, 28 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Cool, cool. Ok, i'll finish the nav bars today, and they will allow people to start working on the actual info. And does anybody know where we could find maps that are of high quality, not just simple little black=trainer, green = grass, figure the rest out yourself? Like what they have in the R/B/Y sections...Angel14995 14:02, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Proc is probably the person to ask as he did the maps, somewhere I think he said that there's a program that extracts it from a ROM. Just go ahead and ask him.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 15:50, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
 * wow. Looking at the tables and other things, there's a tremendous amount of wiki markup (I think that's what it's called) that goes into those. It must take a lot of time to get those pages finished. --Myth (talk) 13:10, 13 September 2007 (CDT)

Change the name of a section?
I noticed on the section "Pokémon Diamond and Pearl/Fight Area" that though the link is correct, the actual name of the page is still "Fight Area", not "Fight Area/Battle Tower". Is there a way to fix this? --Myth (talk) 12:46, 25 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Done, just move the page and update the links, i'll leave the page because there would be a red link on the new page, but i'm not sure having titles like that is a good idea.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 13:41, 25 September 2007 (CDT)
 * thanks :). Oh and what do you mean, "titles like that"? --Myth (talk) 13:49, 25 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I mean a "/" means a sub-page in wiki-markup so i'm not sure we really mean it to be a subpage of Fight arena.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 14:56, 25 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Can't it just be Battle Tower or Fight area and Battle tower? It's best to avoid /'s when creating page names if they aren't subpages.  Also the redirect has to be deleted so please fix any links to the redirect page.  -- Prod (Talk) 00:35, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

Problem
The dialga picture has this werid [[image: prfix near it and is supposed to stay in the syntax.--[[User:Arceus fan|Arceus fan]] 14:17, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah DrBob messed up the infobox.-- The preceding signed comment was added by Rocky (talk • contribs). 14:22, 30 September 2007 (CDT)

pokemon image location
I was going through this guide a while ago trying to make formatting match on multiple pages and adding missing bulbapedia links in the guide and found a formatting detail that differed enough to not be able to tell which is the right one.

In the pokemon encounters tables the image of the pokemon is either to the right or left of their name depending on which page you are on. When the formatting throughout a guide is similar it looks unified, so I was wondering which one is prefered. --Zaiqukaj 08:11, 8 October 2007 (CDT)


 * In the Gold/Silver/Crystal guide, I've kept them to the left, like on this page. But there's no official policy.  Procyon (Talk) 12:38, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Header Colors?
I was going through the formatting of some of the pages, and was trying to make everything uniform. I looked at some of the headings for some of the "New Pokémon" boxes, and they are all purple. What colors (in hex) should we use to represent Diamond and Pearl? Angel14995 14:08, 16 October 2007 (CDT)

How would this be? If there are no objections, I'm going to implement this now. Angel14995 11:34, 18 October 2007 (CDT)