User talk:Notmyhandle

Splitting of Total Annihilation/Units
I don't think it's a good idea to split Total Annihilation/Units into separate pages for ARM and Core. The 2 sides' units are mostly so similar that for most Core units "similar to ARM's XXXXX" is enough, and splitting leads to duplication of text; in fact I've recently included several comparisons, and the cross-links in these no longer work. Splitting also leaves very little to say in Total Annihilation/Units. Philcha 05:38, 11 January 2008 (CST)


 * Your suggestion to combine ARM and Core unit descriptions is excellent. It will certainly save space, and will facilitate ARM-Core comparisons, e.g. Hammer vs Thud. It will also clarify the cases where there are no equivalents, e.g. Goliath, Maverick. It's quite a lot of work, so I think we should first check for issues that need to be sorted out. The ones that come to mind are:
 * Section headings for links between units. For example in a few sections the text says, "should be used along with X" or "don't use this, use Y".
 * Are we using "unit" in the technical sense, or mobiles only?
 * Should we highlight units that are only in expansion packs (e.g. Maverick, Immolator)? If so, how? See possible way at bottom.
 * How to present the ARM and Core names for corresponding units?
 * Should we consider including unit stats later (costs, build time, speed, hit points, firepower and rate)?
 * Do we use "level" or "tier"? AFAIK "level" is TA usage, "tier" is TA:K.
 * Once these are agreed, I'll help with the merge (send me a message!) - it's quite a lot of work, but 2 people can work on it because the units are all in separate sections (vehicles, Kbots,etc.) Since we will probably work at different rates for various reasons, we should send each other messages, e.g. "I'm starting to merge level 1 vehicles". I've just realised we're probably in different time zones - I'm in UK, where are you?


 * Re unit names, we could use small tables, e.g.:
 * {|narrow=1


 * ARM:
 * Samson
 * Core:
 * Slasher
 * }
 * or
 * {|narrow=1
 * {|narrow=1


 * ARM:
 * Maverick
 * Core:
 * (none)
 * }
 * What do you think? Philcha 06:26, 12 January 2008 (CST)
 * What do you think? Philcha 06:26, 12 January 2008 (CST)


 * Hi, I see you've combined the "units" pages but not said or done anything about combining the ARM and Core unit descriptions. Is that because you have other things on your plate, or because you're having second thoughts?
 * Meanwhile I've gone back to the idea of a table, because some of the apparently equivalent units have different weapons, e.g. Peewee vs AK. So the layout I now favour is e.g.

Peewee / AK
 * {|narrow=1


 * Class:
 * colspan=4 | Fast scout /spotter Kbot
 * ARM:
 * Peewee
 * Core:
 * AK
 * Weapon:
 * Energy machine-gun
 * Very light laser
 * }
 * Energy machine-gun
 * Very light laser
 * }
 * Very light laser
 * }
 * which can be extended where necessary to e.g.

Ranger / Missile Frigate
 * {|narrow=1


 * Class:
 * colspan=4 | Long-range missile ship
 * ARM:
 * Ranger
 * Core:
 * Missile Frigate
 * Weapon 1:
 * colspan=4 |Long-range, high-trajectory, non-tracking suface-to-surface missile
 * Weapon 2:
 * Anti-air missile
 * (none)
 * }
 * Weapon 2:
 * Anti-air missile
 * (none)
 * }
 * (none)
 * }
 * I've also found a page that makes it clear that there's more to installing TA than meets the eye: which 1.3.1 patch; installation order when using expansion packs. There are other installation topics that should be covered sometime, e.g. maps (UFO vs OTA+HPI formats), compatibility conditions for multiplayer, where to get the expansion packs' additional units. That suggests to me that "Getting started" should start with a separate "installing" page. Philcha 06:43, 13 January 2008 (CST)


 * Thanks for your message. I'll have a go at converting one section, e.g. level 1 Kbots, to the format I suggerted above. I'd like to ask you to review it when it's done - I think you'd be an ideal reviewer since you're an experienced member of StrategyWiki but have no hands-on experience of TA and therefore can see it from the point of view of a newcomer to the game. Philcha 05:20, 14 January 2008 (CST)


 * I've just revised the "Commander" section of Total Annihilation/Units in the way we discussed. I know you've played the game only a few times, but I suspect that makes you the kind of person who will find this guide most useful, so I'd be really grateful if you'd review my edit. Philcha 06:38, 14 January 2008 (CST)

My idea is to split the units up into two seperate pages, for ARM and Core. Even if it means repeating info, it'll reduce page size. It's a few megs above normal. --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2008 (CST)

a request for you too
Mind helping us revert and block the bots that are editing/creating accounts? -- 16:15, 11 January 2008 (CST)

Using undefined
How exactly does the syntax go for the cleanup again? --Arrow Windwhistler 11:02, 12 January 2008 (CST)


 * Understood. Unfortunately I've already marked a lot of pages, and I really am supposed to be doing math work at the moment, so...yeah. X__X No time to backtrack. I left a message on New User (the author of the Vikings stuff) though regarding on what in particular needs cleaning up. Any thing else for any of the other tags I should know? --Arrow Windwhistler 11:06, 12 January 2008 (CST)


 * Is there a convenient list of those templates? There are so many I can't keep track of them all. --Arrow Windwhistler 11:11, 12 January 2008 (CST)


 * I love it! Thanks, dude =D --Arrow Windwhistler 11:15, 12 January 2008 (CST)

Master of Orion II
Thanks for the effort you've put into re-assembling the content I wrote for Master of Orion II. The last thing I saw before I went off for dinner was a message from User:Ryan Schmidt - unsigned, so I had to look in the history of my Talk page to find out whio had left it. As far as I could see User:Ryan Schmidt had deleted the new pages I'd written, and I was ready to go ballistic.

There are now some issues that need to be sorted out with Master of Orion II/Getting Started as it currently stands and I'd appreciate your advice on the best way to deal with them:
 * The whole thing looks rather long as one page - and there's scope for additions, The most obvious is "game controls", which could also be quite long when done in a "how to" style rather than the more academic style of Wikipedia. The existing sections could also use more content, e.g. how to install & run it on Vista or other OSs (when the real experts have got that down smooth), starting multi-player games and mods, copy-and-paste DOSBox config files, etc. That's why I produced separate sub-pages for installation, overview and starting a new game.
 * There's duplicate content. I copied the 1st draft from the Wikipedia article (which I mostly wrote) just to get it started, then gradually moved and adapted material for the more "how to" orientation of StrategyWiki. I'd got the installation, overview and starting a new game pages looking reasonable and was about to clean up the duplicate stuff on other pages when the dinner bell rang.
 * The order is wrong, IMO. My reasoning is that someone who has not played MOO II needs 2 things first: how to install because it's a 1996 game and needs some help to run with 2007 Windows operating systems; and what the game is about, to make it easier to understand "starting a game" and, perhaps more importantly, to enable readers to decide whether they fancy the game enough to take it further (I linked the main page to "game overview" for that reason, and the link is now gone).

Then I could write quite a lot about strategy and tactics. Again my inclination is to create relatively short pages so that others can add to them without making them ginormous.

Any advice you can give on how to make this a guide half-way worthy of the game would be welcome. Philcha 14:48, 12 January 2008 (CST)

Is there any way you can re-instate the sub-pages I wrote for "Getting started" - especially "Installing the game", as that had a lot more "how to" details than the current section of "Getting started". Philcha 08:43, 14 January 2008 (CST)

I'm disappointed that you have not answered my last query. There's a lot I can add to the "Master of Orion II" article(s), but I see no point in starting while there are unresolved issues. Philcha 02:48, 21 February 2008 (CST)

Thanks for re-instating my MOO II stuff. I'm sorry to hear that you were unwell, and hope you're fine now. Philcha 08:57, 1 March 2008 (CST)

IRC
Hey, I thought I should swing by and let you know that right now all of the computers I have been using lately have a lot of blocks and filters on them. ABXY and most snazzy things don't work. Sorry I haven't been able to swing by on IRC. It will be so awesome once my computer at home is back in working condition and I can hang out with you guys on IRC. --Zaiqukaj 05:11, 14 January 2008 (CST)

Responses
Hi NMH. The story for Link to the Past is under Hyrule History. It was too big to put on the first page. I suppose we could put a story summary on the front page if you thought it was necessary/helpful. As for the ToC, while I understand the use of the headings, I don't quite understand the columns. We use columns when ToCs get too long, and we want to balance them by spreading them out. Most of those 3~5 link ToCs are too small to spread out. But it's up to you. Procyon (Talk) 07:48, 14 January 2008 (CST)

TA Units
After I'm through with it, I doubt anything from Wikibooks will be left =P Requesting permission to go to town and make massive sweeping page-altering changes. --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2008 (CST)

Fractions
Looks fine to me in Firefox; they're perfectly distinguishable. Is it that they're too small, or the antialiasing's off, or it's just not rendering the right glyphs, or what? --DrBob (talk) 17:10, 15 January 2008 (CST)
 * Screenshot? --DrBob (talk) 17:14, 15 January 2008 (CST)
 * No offense, NMH, but I don't have any problem telling them apart, even at the default font size. Procyon (Talk) 18:10, 15 January 2008 (CST)

Congradulations
Hey thanks for helping me edit on several pages.(76.247.222.101 00:48, 17 January 2008 (CST))

Drift City screenshots.
Are you done with the screenshots I sent you? I'm not seeing any changes that indicate you've uploaded the item images. --Tathar (talk | contribs) 02:04, 17 January 2008 (CST)

Possible unended discussion topic
lol, I must have found the solution since I completely forgot about this. My standard is usually finding a perfectly up to date guide and using it for a reference if the code is unknown to me. I do remember reading those archives helping answer quite a few of my questions starting out so give me a chance to find the guide I base my infoboxes on so an answer can be on the question once it's archived.

Is archiving something just like subpaging (Save the content elsewhere and then remove the duplicate)? --Zaiqukaj 03:24, 17 January 2008 (CST)
 * Ok, good. I just wanted to double-check since it’s something I haven’t done before. I actually have a pretty solid understanding of how to correctly do infoboxes. I normally only have to look something up when the game has been released for different platforms and the whole re-release deal (that honestly gets confusing for me). Templates make sense, it's just hard to remember all of the parameters. --Zaiqukaj 04:41, 17 January 2008 (CST)

Tcs image
Yeah. I believe I asked the person who uploaded it to take care of it, but they haven't. Meh. Would you mind replacing it with the three individual images (you may be able to revert the pages it's on) and deleting it? I've got a lot of work to do tonight, sorry. :-( --DrBob (talk) 10:53, 22 January 2008 (CST)

Re: SSBM Menu Addition
Erm, okay. :D --cuckooman 18:43, 23 January 2008 (CST)

Multiple button presses.
I don't think we have an official standard at SW, but the method that I've been using is pretty much a FAQ standard. P+K usually mean push punch and kick together while P, K means press Punch then press Kick. So yeah, the proper way would be to put a plus in between them. It sucks cuz I know the game you're talking about, and it's so non-standard, so it's difficult to figure out what to do. The only saving grace is that it's PlayStation exclusive, so there's no need to worry about substituting buttons for other systems or styles. I would just go with the plus solution. Procyon (Talk) 13:13, 24 January 2008 (CST)

Drift City Part Effects
The part effects should not have black space around the pictures. They are not displayed in-game that way and it just takes up space. --Tathar (talk | contribs) 19:21, 27 January 2008 (CST)

MrSue
I was indeed thinking temp bans of maybe a day or two. Nothing particularly harsh; just a little reminder to put some effort into things. --DrBob (talk) 01:50, 30 January 2008 (CST)

Nihal Desert
Nihal Desert is a region of Ossyria where Ariant and Magatia are located. Since neither of those towns have been released in any of the English versions yet, there's no way to get quest data to put on that page. Thus, it hasn't been created yet. I expect in the next 2-3 months Ariant will appear in one of them, so we should have info for the page in the near future. At the moment, I can only play GMS so it's not really important for me to put the other versions on there, but I have accounts on KMS, JMS, and MSEA.--IsaacGS 03:11, 30 January 2008 (CST)

Spelling Errors/Voice
Yeah, that would be greatly appreciated as long as the edit doesn’t bother the person the message is towards. There are a handful of words I personally never remember how to spell and they always slip by. I swear that most of the misspelled until were mine while I was going down the list. When I'm a bit rushed I tend to forget to run talk page things through the spell check so errors are bound to happen. Thanks for keeping an eye out for things. --Zaiqukaj 03:04, 31 January 2008 (CST)


 * I love using Firefox, but the computer I’m using isn’t mine and I can’t really change or download anything onto it. It’s lame but better than nothing. --Zaiqukaj 02:18, 1 February 2008 (CST)

anon question
Hey, do you know how long a ban should last for the disruptive anons that insert nonsense? I still am pretty uncertain about things like this. --Zaiqukaj 02:26, 4 February 2008 (CST)
 * That makes sense. My priority has always been to ban the second they do something malicious if I’m online at the same time. It’s always nice to be able to step in early enough to prevent some damage. Some of them really get on a roll once they begin screwing things up. --Zaiqukaj 02:42, 4 February 2008 (CST)

RE: Advance Wars Days of Ruin Regional Differences
Hmm, not a bad idea - never thought of that. Thanks.

But I have the EU version and therefore if the guide was to be standardize to the US version I won't feel comfortable editing or adding to it anymore. The basic storyline, gameplay and missions are the same in all versions but everything else may be different which I don't know.

And it would be pritty weird to standardize it to the EU version when it's currently has the US name of 'Advance Wars: Days of Ruin' when in the EU is called 'Advance Wars: Dark Conflict'.

--Firenova 05:58, 10 February 2008 (CST)

Naming
Policy says sentence case, not camel case. -- Prod (Talk) 10:00, 10 February 2008 (CST)
 * The only place it should be used is for things like level names. If it's title case in the game, we use title case as well.  If it's a name someone decided to pick, we use sentence case. -- Prod (Talk) 14:52, 10 February 2008 (CST)

Spekkio Images
Actually no. You can find a lot of great sprites at this site. It's usually the first place I look. I found all my EarthBound and Secret of Mana sprites there.-- Duke Ruckley Talk 07:35, 11 February 2008 (CST)
 * Put this here because it's similar conversation... I started to gather that data but got too busy to play.  I ended up asking for permission from someone from GameFAQs and cross-checked with Chrono Compendium.  I would like to continue to check for sure by playing the game, but right now I just can't do that.-- Duke  Ruckley Talk 20:45, 5 March 2008 (CST)

Sorry About The Image Names
I'm sorry about the naming problem of my images as I did not check my user talk often. I will try to name the images appropriately. :) --

Template Categories
Not a major deal, but putting the category on the included page seems a bit roundabout. It's also not really part of the "documentation" for the page, it's a navigational aid. -- Prod (Talk) 22:14, 28 February 2008 (CST)

Editing a ToC
I assume you're the right person to talk to; I am working on the guide for Star Wars: Battlefront and I have realized that whoever initially put together the ToC added a level that is not in the game. I can't remove it because the ToC is locked to prevent vandalism (understandable). I suppose it would be easier to ask you to change it a little bit. Could you remove the red link "Jabba's Palace" from the Maps section, and add a new page in the Getting Started section underneath "NPCs"? Thanks so much, it'll allow me to finish the guide!

Alestorm
The problem is, Alestorm aren't folk metal: they're true Scottish pirate metal, and nobody's meant to take them seriously. They're a great laugh (we hung out with them while the other support band [Norther] were playing). --DrBob (talk) 06:48, 2 March 2008 (CST)

Characters
Nope, I only have characters in Scania, but i'm going to be moving to Khaini in the next two weeks.--IsaacGS 21:25, 2 March 2008 (CST)
 * 96 (about to be 97) ranger, 42 spearman, 37 cleric.--IsaacGS 21:58, 2 March 2008 (CST)

JSD in GunZ article
GunZ The Duel/Korean-Style and Advanced Techniques It's there, just not under the dagger section. --Kawufix 10:43, 9 March 2008 (CDT)

Re: X-Men Legends
Sure, I'll help. I own the game still, so I can pop it in and play it sometime. I might not be around much this week, but I'll help when I can. RobJ1981 01:33, 11 March 2008 (CDT)
 * I don't play Mythos, otherwise I would help. I don't have a great computer for gaming, so I stick with consoles. RobJ1981 01:44, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Maple Sub-TOCs
Thanks for fixing the towns one. I tried to replicate it on the Monsters one, but i couldn't get the same result. Mind fixing that one too?--IsaacGS 02:30, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Perfect, thanks. Sorry I couldn't get the link to you before you found it yourself.--IsaacGS 15:31, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

Question about item lists
Is there a certain format I should follow when working on them? I've looked at the strategy wiki guide, as well as some articles. Some seem to be in alphabetical somewhat, while others aren't. I've been working on Super Paper Mario/Items lately, so perhaps a section for mushroom health and other health items? RobJ1981 14:04, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

High use templates
Please stay away from heavily used templates until the ssbb traffic passes. I've had to reduce the speed the job queue is cleared so any changes you do make will take a long time to clear. -- Prod (Talk) 20:55, 15 March 2008 (CDT)

Trophy Listings, Brawl
Should I put the trophies in alphabetical order in the table, from A to Z? I have all of the unlockable trophies ready to add. Non-unlockable ones, such as ones randomly found in SSE, Coin Launcher, ones gotten from hitting enemies with trophy stands, not sure what to do with those quite yet. -- SFOXMASTERX 14:02, 26 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Pick whatever order you want, since adding the "sortable" parameter to the table allows it to be sorted in any order the user wants. Also, please keep these discussions on the guide talk pages, to keep all the guide specific discussions centralized. -- Prod (Talk) 14:27, 26 March 2008 (CDT)

Fighting games: move lists
See: Street Fighter Alpha. I havent had the time to check all of the character move lists, but from what I've seen the move lists on that article are duplicates. Should they be removed? I wasn't sure, as I saw a move list on a main article in the past (I can't remember which article it was though). RobJ1981 15:39, 3 April 2008 (CDT)
 * I'm not sure what the fighting games project initiative has come up with, but looking at that page I believe it was intended - a full movelist display, with detailed character subpages that include the movelist. From my perspective, this is very useful.  From a guide perspective, it's useful as well (although duplications can be a pain to keep up to date, these should never change) because we have the summary of moves (quick reference) as well as detailed entries where people should be able to gain additional information on their preferred character(s).  Noting these things, it's still possible SW will decide against the duplication.  We'll see what Procyon has to say...  -- 20:05, 3 April 2008 (CDT)
 * There is no duplication, it's all through transclusion. -- Prod (Talk) 20:27, 3 April 2008 (CDT)
 * Sorry NMH. I gave my response to Rob directly on his talk page.  Procyon (Talk) 21:24, 3 April 2008 (CDT)

Extra categories on Rogue Galaxy?
I noticed there is several extra dates that shouldn't be there (unless there was something new added to articles that I don't know about). They don't appear when I go to fix it. Shouldn't it just be December 8 and 2005 for date categories, since those were the original release day and year? RobJ1981 15:28, 5 April 2008 (CDT)
 * See the forums — we've decided to categorise guides by all release dates now, and so they're now being automatically put in the date categories by the release date templates. There's no longer any need to manually categorise guides by any release date, so you can remove release date categories from guides as you come to them (there's no need to go around doing it specially though — they're doing no harm). --DrBob (talk) 16:45, 5 April 2008 (CDT)

Mini-game category
I brought it up on the forum in March, but only you and a few others replied. Would it be alright to create one? Something such as Mini-game collection seems fine. There is more than enough content for it, and games such as Mario Party have many genres (due to a few mini-games) for them. So it seems wrong to just label them with numerous genres. RobJ1981 13:54, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
 * We'll create the category, but check the forums again because I'm not sure which name to use (minigame, mini-game, or mini game). -- 16:19, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
 * I apologize NMH, I went ahead and told Rob to create Category:Party on the basis that WP listed those types of games under the Party genre. I checked Mario Party, Raving Rabbids, and Pac-Man Fever, and GF had them all listed as Party as well.  If there's still a debate about this, we can always put on bot on the changes. Procyon (Talk) 16:22, 7 April 2008 (CDT)

System question regarding compilation games
Should games part of a compilation (such as Dr. Mario that was part of a Nintendo Puzzle collection), be listed for that console? The collection was for GameCube, so should Dr. Mario be listed with GameCube or no? Another example would be all the classic games in Animal Crossing: should those be listed with a GameCube category and listed in the infobox? RobJ1981 15:31, 8 April 2008 (CDT)

Re: Thanks!
Don't congratulate me yet, dude. There're still the walkthroughs that need to be done, but hopefully I can nab some tactics from some GameFaqs guides and stuff. What's up with that guy, anyway? --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 08:19, 9 April 2008 (CDT)