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Wii download games on Wii U
I noticed among some recent edits games like Punch-Out!! (Wii), which are Wii games re-released for download on Wii U, but they're identical to the originals with the exception of being able to be controlled by the Gamepad. Currently we have these categorised as Wii and Wii U games, which would seem to go against what we do with Virtual Console games (these aren't labelled as VC games, but otherwise it's the same idea). Should we put these in another category ("Wii download version (Wii U)" seems to be the official title, as an example), or keep them in Wii U? -- 00:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * It's an unfortunate situation, and I don't know that I have the absolute right solution to this. Prod had a similar question as you.  My thinking was, first and foremost, like you pointed out, these are not VC games.  Secondly, the Wii U is hardware backward compatible with the Wii.  With those two thoughts in mind, if a game such as Wii Punch-Out!! is being offered for download on the Wii U through the Nintendo e-shop, then maybe they should be labelled as Wii U also since you can only play those games which are downloaded in that manner through the Wii U.  It's a flimsy argument though.  The problem is that there is no parallel category to the Wii U VC for those titles, and it seems silly to make another category like the one you suggested... then we're really splitting hairs.  You can start to make arguments like about about the Sega Genesis games offered through Steam... it gets messy quickly.  Categorizing only those downloadable Wii games as Wii U titles seemed to be a compromise, but I don't love it.  What does everyone else think?   Pro  cyon  01:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Can regular Wii disks be played through the Wii U? If so there's no distinction required.  Being available for download is just a distribution channel, not a system it runs on, so it doesn't need the Wii U categorization. -- Prod (talk) 01:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I thought the same thing. Wii disks are playable on Wii U so as long as that's understood, there's no need to label Wii games as Wii U as well. Still, if something is released as a downloadable title, maybe it'd be good to be specific and label it as an eShop title, with the release date given for its re-release. Ramza66 (talk) 01:17, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm good with making the policy that downloadable Wii games do not get the Wii U category. However, given the history of the site over the past week or so, it's clear that this distinction may... confuse some people.  Hopefully they will be in the minority.   Pro  cyon  01:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I just was writing about this on my talk page to Procyon. I now think that we should put them all in the same console category. It boils down to this: why can't Punch-Out!! (Wii) be in both the Wii category and the Wii U category? It can be played on both consoles legitimately. Isn't that is what the console category is for (games that are played on that console)? Here's the one thing I agree with: if the game has a (e.g. Wii) disc that is backwards compatible (e.g. with Wii U), then we do not categorize in Wii U. But if the game can be purchased/downloaded to the other console (e.g. Wii U) through a legitimate (e.g. Nintendo eShop) distribution channel, then that game is now part of that newer console, too. It's the same way MS-DOS games get ported to Steam and Origin, but then we add the Windows category because the game only runs on Windows using a particular distribution service.


 * The complexity of this issue has been because we are arguing over how to categorize based on the release media - e.g. printed format in a traditional DVD box versus digital download versus digital download w/ a marketing label on it (e.g. virtual console versus 3D Classics versus wiiware, etc.). I do not mind having sub-categories for these lists of grouped/marketed games. But now I do not think that they should have system categories. E.g. Wii Virtual Console and Wii U Virtual Console are great lists of games, but are they really _systems_? Does it matter that it is an emulator or sub-process of a console's operating system? I don't think so. It's not novel. Console hacking has proven that. It's not separate from the hardware, which is what we group systems by. -- 23:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: here is a use case for us all: TwinBee has re-releases on Wii VC, Wii U VC, 3D Classics (downloaded to 3DS via Nintendo eShop but no considered a 3DS VC game), and XBLA. In addition, it has TWO Wii U VC releases - you can download the NES version or the MSX version on the Wii U via eShop. -- 00:30, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Food for thought: so the two situations I see are 1) the current setup (e.g. Wii U vs VC) and 2) my proposal of changing VC to a 'series' so pages can have Wii U + VC. Now, neither setup really matters. What matters is how to solve this question: "What games are only on the Wii U and what games are remakes released on the Wii U"? In the current setup, we have clear categorization where the lists are separate. In the second situation, the Wii U cat fills up to 100% of all games available on that console, and the series cats help identify particular types of games. In #1, it is Wii U + series = total games. With #2 it is Wii U - series = normal games on Wii U. Thus, I think method two is sort of 'backwards' and more work to find the games you are looking for. -- 05:35, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Pikmin 3
I am new to this site but was told it was one of the best. Unfortunately I couldn't find a walkthrough for the game Pikmin3. Why does it advertise the game then have nothing about it? I was disappointed.
 * Responded on your talk page. Please don't forget to sign your posts by typing ~ .   Pro  cyon  02:42, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I started new pages!
I started a page for Robocraft, and one for Nuclear Throne, but there's not much in either of them, so I would appreciate help expanding these topics! Thanks! Sarr Cat (talk) 06:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome. Thank you for creating some new main pages for us! Make note that you created Nuclear throne with a lowercase T on Throne, so I had to move the page to the correct one, which is ok; I created a redirect so future readers will be directed to the correct page. We are unlikely to be able to contribute to these games, as our individual contributors have their own interests and owned games. If you are actively playing these games, please try to add some basic information, or a walkthrough summary. We will be around to help fix mistakes and direct the organization of the guide. Thanks! -- 22:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Series logos for category page
I had a question concerning categories that have a logo on them. Is it allowed to put a logo (in my case, I wanted to upload the EA Sports Madden NFL/NHL/FIFA stylized text) on a game series page or is that only for console pages? JeffMandM (talk) 20:51, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe there's a spot in the infobox for an image, so go for it! -- Prod (talk) 22:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

"Broken" Header Nav in Table of Contents
When I discovered that the Commodore Amiga version of the game I am currently writing about, Scooby-Doo and Scrappy-Doo, was composed of nine levels instead of just four (like all the others), I had to edit the Table of Contents to give that version its own Walkthrough page; however, in doing so, I have somehow caused the ToC to be displayed in the Header Nav with centred text (and not after clicking " [show] " either) and after two attempts to fix it, it has not been rectified! If somebody could tell me what I have done wrong and how I can fix it, I would be most grateful - as this has never happened to me on having to edit a Table of Contents before. Namcorules (talk) 17:00, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't put a comma in page links. You had "ZX, CPC and Commodore 64" in your link name, and the comma broke things.  It's fine to put commas in the description of links, but not the link itself.  I changed your page names to 8-bit and 16-bit, while leaving the descriptions alone.  Feel free to change them if you wish, but avoid commas.   Pro  cyon  17:33, 22 May 2015 (UTC)