User talk:Procyon

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Hello, Mobility
I would be happy to know two things. I may sound direct behind words but this talk page setup can be confusing. There is a project I would like to start, one for making the walkthroughs, wikis, or etc./game-lists offline and e-reader friendly. This may be hard work but if it can be made systematic than this can be portable-friendly for all digital readers. Any comments of where I should go or if this crusade is worth the grail than I would appreciate a holler. With Interest, The 7th Sage (talk) 14:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Apologies
Hi Procyon. I apologize if I pointed out punctuation errors in the wrong way; truth is, in December I had to grade loads of reports from my Irish students, and they were full of grammar mistakes: in that case, it was my duty to point out their errors. I'm sorry I got carried away here, I didn't mean any harm, and I know I should not bring home work problems nor vice versa. By the way, my philosophy is always: "if you make a mistake, I tell you with no hard feelings, and if I make a mistake, please tell me with no hard feelings as well", although sometimes I stray from it, but that's a mistake that I accept gladly to be told! Like in Ultima 4, I keep striving for enlightenment :-) --Abacos (talk) 20:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Sysop nomination for Test
Please see Requests for permissions/T.testLP. -- 20:35, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Fortune Street reply.
Thanks for the heads up. I'm just scratching my head. Even if I shouldn't mention Monopoly, it can be hard to explain how the game works. Anyway, it will be a long way since I tried without success, to find a walkthrough for this game. So making this should help alleviate that pressure. Anyway, better let you get on with your work.

Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 03:50, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

About your tip
Thank you for the tip; I actually misread the last contribution timestamp (I don't know how I could manage to misread that, I guess I just "read" 2013 and stopped).

Looking for maps in Gauntlet is a bit hard because "gauntlet level maps" are too common words: and when I do find maps, they're probably from a different version or just include the walls (no enemies, treasures, keys, or anything else). Anyways, since that date, I found a way to generate the complete maps (up to spawn points for all players), I'm currently tweaking it to make the task easier.

(It's based on stitching screenshots, of course, but I could edit the MAME cheats so enemies wouldn't move and I could pan the camera just how I like it. I'll upload the method to my user page.)

Thanks! ArenaL5 (talk) 13:46, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Area maps
Hello there,

Thank you very much pour your Pokémon B/R/Y walkthrough, which I found very instructive and complete.

I would like to know how you obtained the maps of the areas in the game, with all the sprites in it (for example, the map of Viridian Forest). Did you use a kind of tool to extract it from the game ROM ?

Thank you in advance if you can answer me.

Drake
 * Hi Drake, I actually just used publicly available maps which were generated on several Japanese websites, and modified them for use with the guide. I believe there are a few map ripping tools available for B/R/Y, but I have never used them before.  I simply searched the web for maps which were not watermarked or claimed by any particular author.  Hope that answers your question.  Pro  cyon  05:23, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick answer ! Yeah, I found some map editing tools but I could only have the maps with no sprites on it (no characters, items etc), so they seemed empty (I wanted the maps mostly for a nostalgic and collecting purpose). As you say, I will just search through the web to find already existing ripped maps, that should be simpler. Anyway, thanks again for your great work with this walkthrough !

Final Fantasy/Weapons: sentence complexity
Hi Procyon. I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I there's a misunderstanding. I edited the section exactly because I felt it was unnecessaryly complicated and I wanted to make it more clear and simple, but you just told me the opposite. No hard feelings, it's just... well... like climbing a mountain and finding yourself at the bottom of the valley :-) Ok, I'll try again. --Abacos (talk) 10:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Let me add this: just a couple of years ago I played for the first time Dragon Quest 4 (NES), where the characters have artificial intelligence. Thus I discovered the spellcasting weapons and the great usefulness of debuff spells, and this revolutioned my playing experience. Reading game guides, I seemed to understand that these two aspects are largely ignored by most players, who instead seem to focus just on dealing damage and healing. I therefore try to expand everyone's playing experience by highlighting these facts (I mean spellcasting weapons and debuff spells). Does it make things complicated? Maybe I should simply advertise Dragon Quest 4 a lot as RPG for beginners :-D --Abacos (talk) 11:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Understood! I remember now that my primary school teacher said: "Don't write sentences longer than three lines." Our excercise books were small, anyway. Short sentences is the key for easy reading, right? :-) --Abacos (talk) 09:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)


 * As an exercise, I rewrote the Final_Fantasy/Black_magic section. If you have time, can you check if I managed to write less complex sentences? Thanks :-) --Abacos (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Duplicate Uploads
Sorry for the additional uploads on http://strategywiki.org/wiki/File:Pacman_Pattern.png

What happens, I see, is as soon as the new file is uploaded, it shows the old one as what was uploaded. So I tried again, and it still happened. I then realized this was the browser cache, and reloading made the new one appear; so I tried reverting, not realizing this would leave multiple copies of the file. So if you could delete those, at least the middle three. No sense to keep all those duplicates.Eric B (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Final_Fantasy/Weapons
There's a little problem with the Masamune sword: check the comment by opening the section above for edit. --Abacos (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Problem solved. --Abacos (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Ultima 5: completion stage 4
Hi Procyon. I think I brought the guide for Ultima 5 to completion stage 4. Can you check if I forgot something?

I think I pretty much wrote the guide completely by myself. Is there a cookie for this? :-) --Abacos (talk) 15:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Demon Sword unused image
Can you check out where File:Fudo Myouoden item flame.png belongs to? While you're at it please also check if the first 14 images of Unused images are needed or not (especially the Button-images and Logos-images). Thanks in advance. Paco (talk) 10:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, that's for working so hard to clean all of these up. Your effort is very much appreciated Paco.   Pro  cyon  04:12, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm on thin ice
Hi Procyon. I expected that, I felt insulted and I overreacted. From now on I'll limit myself to editing guide content and I'll refrain from editing grammar, as I can't see which grammar rules are ok and which ones are to be taken easy.

But can I explain myself? The day before I just agreed with Moydow about that one edit, but then Paco wrote "we're not in school" and "your special grammar rules". From my point of view, that's an insult. First of all, because it's insulting schools, and second because that edit followed a codified grammar rule that was written down in grammar books. I accept the new grammar convention, as I said, and I'm not going to question grammar anymore, but I feel that Paco's words were unfair. Please tell me if I am over-sensitive. If I am, I apologize. --Abacos (talk) 10:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I also think there is an administrator conflict: what was ok for Moydow was not ok for Paco. --Abacos (talk) 10:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

No ASCII
My mistake, I saved the page hastily because someone (my supervisor) popped in, but there was already a good Zelda map in the guide, and that ASCII in theory should have been just a reminder for myself on my sandbox. --Abacos (talk) 09:38, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Table sort
Hi Procyon. I usually put the sortable flag in most tables, I simply forgot about it lately. By the way, I never knew the names of monsters, that's why I never sort them by name. If I'm a minority, I just learned it now, so I have no problem changing trend. I usually sort monsters by earned experience, that is close to game progression, but there's no exp. in the Zelda series, indeed. Ok, I fix the page. --Abacos (talk) 14:03, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Browser
I'm using Chrome on Windows 7. The thing is, I usually get it back by pressing the forward button, but this time it didn't work for some reason. It told me I lost session data and wouldn't let me get it back. I just ended up starting over from scratch. This time, I was really unlucky. But now I'm taking a sort of different approach to what I was doing. It would be nice to know a few tips though. --PirateIzzy (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Please join this discussion
Hi Procyon, I am inviting you to join in on this conversation: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Megaminxwin#Unused_image -- 20:09, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Quick image edit?
Hey Proc, an anon found an error in one of your Final Fantasy maps. See this diff. I was able to verify this in the NES version, see this vid at 14:40. I also checked the GBA version (with a different map/tileset) - it also reaches that floor at the bottom right corner (where D is on the map, but should be "C"). See this vid at 6:30 for the GBA version. -- 21:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

MapleStory skill template overhaul vote
Please see Staff lounge. -- 16:20, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

PirateIzzy nominated for adminship
I created the nomination, here: Requests for permissions/PirateIzzy. I was wondering if we still had the ability to do a site-wide announcement. I think nominations would be a good time to use this so we don't have to manually inform all sysops/active users. Do you know how to do it? Can I do it, or is it restricted to bureaucrats? -- 08:05, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Email
I sent you an email regarding a private matter. -- 01:54, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Adminship nomination: PirateIzzy
Please see Requests for permissions/PirateIzzy. -- 16:47, 14 November 2013 (UTC) It's okay, and thanks. I'm just happy I can take matters into my own hands now. And of course, I'll try to help out with other games as well, other than MS. --PirateIzzy (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Athena - a big thank you
Hi,

I'd like to personally thank you for the amazing effort you have put into the Athena FAQ. I've been trying to master this game for maybe 15 years, and its only been a year since I could even get off the FIRST LEVEL the game is so hard!

I recently spent £300 importing the arcade pcb from Japan and finally with this FAQ I feel I might be able to understand the mechanics behind this rare and weirdly playable game. If more than four people had ever heard of this title then perhaps there would be greater information on this game out there...

Thanks bro!

Atarijetman

Upload Wizard
Have you noticed that Upload Wizard adds unnecessary Summary and License sections? -- 05:15, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I have, it's kind of a drag, but it beats uploading 80 images individually... I'll see if Prod has any ability to customize it.  Pro  cyon  05:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Wizards & Warriors: Version comparison inquiry
Hi Procyon. For the NES game Wizards & Warriors, I would like to add an article about version difference between NES and Famicom. Would you please advise where I shall make it? Akumaxx (talk) 01:15, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Adventure Island flower sprites
Thanks for uploading the white one. However, given the strategy for coyotes, it sounds like there are one or two brown flower sprites that should be included on the enemy page so that we can visually distinguish which flowers indicate what. Thoughts? I can re-upload the first version of the flower you made. I assume that is the main brown flower. Akumaxx indicated that a second sprite was used to distinguish jumping coyotes later on in the game. -- 19:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose, if you really feel like doing it. The thing is, it's not really an "item" as in it's not collectible.  It's only a visual indication.  As far as I can tell, the only difference between the normal coyote flower and the jumping coyote flower is the color of the stem.  I think Akumaxx's screenshot could suffice.  Maybe it should be blown up and zoomed in if anything.   Pro  cyon  04:36, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Original Japanese Titles vs. American
If a title is originally released in Japan, we have usually made that title the one of the guide here at StrategyWiki, though Prod's move of Shadow Land from its original title, Youkai Douchuuki, goes along with our style of being English-centric. Though we have a standardized way of romanizing Japanese titles, if that title feels uncommon to the original guide creator, then they would use the American title that they are used to. Simply put, American titles usually become our guide titles because that is what was played by the guide creator (who is assumed to be American). However, to be objective we would normally stick with the Japanese title. I don't have a preference, but it is a point of argument for Namcorules who wants Youkai Douchuuki to have its name be the primary one. F/A is a similar example, although I prefer the American title to overcome the mediawiki flaw with having "/" in a title's name. What I'm getting at is we should decide on whether the original Japanese name should be our standard, or if the primary English name should be our standard. Our options: Either option is fine. I feel like we have been mixed so far, so I want to define it on SW:Guide's main page article regarding naming (will link later). I don't have a preference, though my bias is towards whatever version I have played - usually English centric. -- 22:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Original name centric (chronologically centric)
 * 2) English centric
 * It's a very good question, I have a personal preference for option 2, but there are (very few) occasions when option 1 seems more practical, particularly when the game is obscure in either language. A lot of the games that Namcorules covers only make it big in Japan.  They are released in North America with some American sounding name tacked on, but don't succeed, so even if you used the American name, nobody would really be familiar with it.
 * All that being said, my "when in doubt" solution is to look at Wikipedia. Wikipedia goes with both wp:Shadow Land over wp:Youkai Douchuuki (and wp:Yōkai Dōchūki), and they chose wp:Fighter & Attacker over wp:F/A.  By in large, I think we should agree with them as much as possible since, presumably, they've chosen the term which is most likely the most frequently used search term.  The only issue is... Namcorules can be a bit touchy about renaming guides :/ --


 * Well, since everyone chimed in on Namco's page, we will finish this there. -- 17:20, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Two new featured guides
Hi Proc, can you take a look at http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Featured_guides/Current_requests and see if they can be upgraded now? I think they are both worthy. Thanks! -- 20:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I know this is silly, but since I haven't done it before, I can do it? I am unsure of whether or not we need more support before making them featured. -- 18:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey NMH, two things. First and foremost, I have absolute trust in you, so if you want to do it, I fully support you.  Second, I apologize for not responding sooner, this has been a crazy week.  However, I will have some free time over the weekend, when I can scrutinize the guides.  I doubt that I will find anything that would prevent me from supporting the nominations, but if you don't mind waiting, I can take a look and officially add my support, then you can go ahead an promote the guides once I add my sig.  Does that sound good to you?   Pro  cyon  00:15, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Zelda: A Link to the Past
On Zelda: A Link to the Past I can't get past dark world level 5 because the block that I push off can't be pushed over the tile with the button for some reason. Level 5 in Dark World is the lake and ice level. I can only push the block once, but in order to move it over the tile with the button I need to push it three times. What is going on? Qewr4231 (talk) 08:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

simcity societies scenarios walkthroughs
hi procyon, well i started to do some work in the SCSD guides as it isn't a very popular game and the section is REALLY very abandoned, personally, your deletion request really freaked me out, I already read your warnings and recommendations so the article should be clean now, if there is something still lacking, please help fixing it as i am not a native speaker and the wild typo can suddenly appear sometimes, that's all by now i'll go back to expanding the walkthroughs.ErnstCornell (talk) 23:43, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Bionic Commando (NES) nominated for featured guide
Please add your support/comments to Featured guides/Current requests. Thank you. --
 * Yeah, no problem. I know how busy we all are, so if I don't see a response for a couple of days I figure I might as well go ahead with "being bold" as we say here. I haven't messed with featured guides in a long time so I was at first hesitant, which is why I asked you to do it at first. Just let me know if you notice any big changes that should be discussed. -- 21:59, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Mega Man
The issue is that it's a four boss run, without any healing. Ice Man is the most powerful of the Robot Masters in terms of attack power, and is deadly on his own. The player will have already fought Bomb Man and Fire Man, and will likely be injured, and they need to have enough health to survive Guts Man afterwards. It doesn't make any sense to suggest a skill-based strategy in that circumstance, since failing to dodge leads to taking a lot of damage. The thing about the Robot Masters' stages is that you don't need to have mastered the strategy for beating them in order to defeat them, you just need to win once to clear their stage. In my case, I took a break from the game for a week or two after beating the Robot Masters since Yellow Devil was a major pain, and then came back and finished it off, so fighting Ice Man was hardly fresh (I was playing on the 3DS, which allows me to suspend play). I get that if you put a lot of time into building the skills to fight Ice Man, you're going to feel that you should use them, but there isn't any reason whatsoever to do that the second time round, since once you've killed him you can flee the scene. --Poppy Appletree (talk) 04:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Data loss
Well, looks like I'll have to save everything I do in a text document in case this happens again. I'll just look up a video of the quests to re-do them. And if I can think of anything, I'll let you guys know. --PirateIzzy (talk) 04:32, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I'll keep that in mind, thanks. Text documents work pretty good for me too though. --PirateIzzy (talk) 02:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Pokemon red world map
Excuse me, can I please ask why the complete world map of pokemon red was removed? I thought it would be a great inclusion since players could use it to follow the walkthrough better.


 * Because it was redundant to the content already available on the site. Maps for all locations are available on the pages which reference them.  Why would we ask users to visit a different site and switch back and forth between windows and tabs when all of the information is cleanly presented on one page?  We're not a showcase for other site's features, no matter how cool they may be.  Off-site linking should only occur if the content is out of scope for the site.   Pro  cyon  00:26, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * ah, okay. That makes sense. Well cheers, and thanks for the great job on the walkthrough.

Support
Thanks so much for supporting me on Super Mario Bros. 2 and finishing up Super Mario Advance that helped out a lot :) - RodKimble (talk) 20:20, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Donkey Kong walkthrough adjustments
Talk:Donkey Kong/Walkthrough. A new user brought up some issues. Appears to be version differences related. Please respond, thanks. -- 17:10, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Pokemon crystal
What did you mean by this diff? Crystal shares the same ToC as Gold and Silver... -- 05:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, I know they do, I was just trying to exclude the use of the undefined for only Crystal-exclusive information, much like how you're highlighting the instances of Super Mario Advance information. In that particular edit, the sidebox a) wasn't about information exclusive to Crystal and b) wasn't about anything that wasn't mentioned elsewhere (in the items section) and that the player couldn't figure out on their own anyhow.  So I just chopped that one instead of trying to find a new home for the info.   Pro  cyon  23:39, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The only thing useful from it was "You can pick up Paralyze Heal on the right side of the first floor.", which wasn't mentioned in the items section. Added. Thanks. -- 02:06, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Picross e series naming conventions
Hi Proc, I need some help. Jupiter corporation lists their games on their site with the following typeset format: PICROSS e#. Standard naming conventions for titles would display it as Picross E#. However, I started a naming trend here like so: Picross e#, which follows sentence case. Which one should we go with? -- 17:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * , and I have always both felt that the best policy was to match whatever was on the title screen and/or box artwork as closely as possible.  So if they user a lowercase e, I believe we should as well.  A redirect with a capital E is always welcome, but if the official name incorporates a lowercase e, than the official guide name should as well.  As for the capitalization of "Picross" that one is a little tougher.  It feels stupid to follow one convention (using the lowercase e) but not another (putting Picross in all caps).  That one is a little bit more of a judgement call.  I guess the two choices are between Picross e and PICROSS e, and personally, I would go with the first, just to make it easier for people, and redirect the second.   Pro  cyon  23:47, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing. Boy are our standards weird. Sentence case + typesetting/signature formatting. Thanks for the thoughts. -- 00:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Accept homebrew/hacked/ripoff/clone image files as part of the original specific-game image category?
Hi Procyon! During my works on swapping GIFs for PNGs for the wiki (and compressing to the max), I came across these two pages: Donkey Kong/Versions and Pac-Man/Versions. What they have in common is that they feature homebrews, hacks, ripoffs, and clones of the original game. In addition to uploading the PNG files, I was adding the appropriate specific-guide name categories into their pages that weren't implemented until around 2008; adding on images that were uploaded in around 2006. I came across one of those particular images and it stopped my tracks.

These images are uploaded and added to the page as part of the game page as a showcase of influences that the game has made through the actions of homebrews, hacks, ripoffs, and clones being created; but do not have a game-specific image category entry (with the exception of homebrew images of Pac-Man for the Atari 2600, but curiously not for the Atari 7800). Therefore, it would be appropriate that they have their own game-specific image category and their own game guide page. However, it doesn't seem that they would have their own game guide pages at this time to this setup of displaying the content info. So logically, if an image is uploaded to that specific game in that page, it must have the game-specific category under the same name (File:DKing_TRS80_Stage1.png for Donkey Kong and Category:Donkey Kong images, not Donkey K i ng and Category:Donkey K i ng images) due to the category description's phrasing "Images pertaining to ."; unless it must be referred to the game itself, and related connections (like perhaps remakes), and not the game guide page in the wiki.

Should those distinctive images be categorized with their own image category? I am saying this because their only category they have is Category:Screenshots, as they don't have a distinctive category for themselves right now. --RAP (talk) 10:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Create Category:Cropped screenshots? and confusion between Category:Icons & Category:Sprites
Hi again Procyon! On my continuing adventures of GIF to PNG converting and image categorization. I came across Miracle Warriors, which you created. What I noticed is that some of the images like overworld locations, NPC interactions, and an image of confronting the final boss; while they have Category:Miracle Warriors images, they don't have a general image category (like Category:Screenshots, Category:Sprites, or Category:Icons). Would this permit a new category like "Category:Cropped screenshots"? It might sound silly, but the word "screenshot" implies that it is an image that is screencaptured without any visual modifications (like cropping, adding markers, or highlighting areas); skimming Category:Screenshots's gallery, most of the images are categorized correctly under there that follows that I said.

On a related note: In Miracle Warriors/Items, after collecting all GIF files to convert, the same situation arises: no general image category. The first thought was to categorize it under Category:Sprites because they are 2D (usually pixelated) image art assets that came directly ripped from the game; then I found out that Category:Icons exist. Seeing both of them, and skimming down a load of gallery images, I got utterly confused on which category to use. While Category:Sprites is more consistent, Category:Icons is a mess. Originating from MarioWiki, a category for icons do not exist, so they get slotted under the sprites category. I'm not entirely sure what to do...it doesn't help that achievement-related images are mixed into the mess. This is a situation that even Candy Crush Saga has a sprite sheet of the candies in original humongous size; does shrinking them down (if we make a guide for the game) mean we have to create Category:Cropped sprites?

I really tend to overthink at these kinds of things when they are in question, because I want to continue doing the work with the amount of clarification I should receive; detail and design-oriented at times, making sure something has a reason. --RAP (talk) 04:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Create more game specific images by content type subcategories?
Hi Proycon, when I joined the wiki long ago, I found out that: I find it interesting that it hasn't been enforced in full force by seeing the very small amount of category links. Does this only apply with a ton of images under a specific content type? My apologies if it overwhelms you, would it be more preferable to move some of the discussions to Staff lounge?--RAP (talk) 08:29, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:Sprites contains subcategories like Category:Castlevania II: Simon's Quest item images {2008 April},
 * Category:Maps's Category:Final Fantasy III maps {2006 July},
 * Category:Screenshots's Category:Castlevania II: Simon's Quest area images {2008 March} (which is supposed to be under Category:Maps);
 * And even Category:SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash images, a game-specific guide category, has Category:SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash character card images {2010 April}!

I was attacked
Hi Procyon. My user page was vandalized by an anonymous. It's quite disturbing. Was I the only target or is it more widespread? I'm telling you because you are an administrator. --Abacos (talk) 14:54, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I remembered the recent changes page. I could see that attacks are going on. If the vandal targeted me, it was probably just by chance, or just because I've been active in the last few hours. --Abacos (talk) 15:01, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Given the randomized text and that it foings around on random pages, it's a (broken) spambot that somehow thinks those pages can be used to advertise. It gets worse on less patrolled wikis. --Sigma 7 (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, I was wondering about the reason behind vandalizing the website in this way. Thanks for the explanation. --Abacos (talk) 19:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Mario Bros. 2
What is Mario Bros. 2? It is in the Mario series template. A stub would be handy for now. -- 21:47, 5 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh yeah, I saw that and forgot all about it. Thanks for reminding me.  I don't know what the original author's intent behind "Mario Bros. 2" was, since as far as I know, no such game exists.  There is a Japanese FDS title known as "Kaette Kita Mario Bros," which was released for the Europe NES on a cart called "Return of Mario Bros." but all it is, is a more faithful adaptation of the arcade version than the original Mario Bros. release.  Perhaps that's what they meant, but in any event, it should be folded into the main Mario Bros. article, so I'm pretty sure "Mario Bros. 2" can be removed.  Pro  cyon  23:35, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @, I think I solved the mystery of "Mario Bros. 2". I think it refers to this game.  But it's completely unofficial, and does not belong in the template.  Still, it's pretty cool that someone ported a Game & Watch game that early on.   Pro  cyon  13:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank you. I created the Mario Bros. II page and removed it from the template. Wikipedia has a series of unofficial Mario games. Maybe we should, too? -- 17:02, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

External content questions
Long ago, I asked some of the questions to when I gathered up a boat load of links for the wiki (and still do), but couldn't answer them due to lack of knowledge, so now I'm going to ask the person who runs the website, you Procyon. I'm asking you such questions because after reading most of the Guide pages, I felt that there were certain angles that weren't tackled, or not clarified in detail: Such answers of clarifications are greatly appreciated for the continuation of contributions of the wiki right now, and in the future; thus it is so that there is no misunderstanding of what external content is allowed or not allowed to be used as the wiki continues to exist. --RAP (talk) 07:35, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * If say a website that is dedicated to hosting walkthroughs/cheats/tips went defunct, taken offline, or got rid all of their content to start anew, would their own produced guides be usable? What about user-submitted guides? Such of the website's content cannot be found normally in any way unless it is archived like Archive.org. If a website doesn't want to be archived in the first place, they would've used robots.txt to block their web crawler, or ask the archiving website a request to exclude the website from being archived.
 * Would this apply the same with userpages like Geocities (think game shrines back then!) or anything similar?
 * As someone who watches Let's Play videos (and sometimes multiplayer videos), is it viable to use the content and convert it into writing form? The difference is that one has to interpret how the player in the video goes through the game, which is slower than importing written content and wikify it. While they are made as entertainment for the viewer, they indirectly give info on how the player goes through the game since the player's actions are the property of their videos, not the game company that made the game. An example is YouTube user Northenlion on playing Binding of Issac, which I'm on Episode 10; he has made over 600 episodes consisting of videos clocking 30-50 minutes each since September 2011. Interestingly, I found out that the wiki has embbed videos (without ads, and with ads) back to it's source, as Guide/External_links has informed me.
 * Is the use of the content factored whether or not they make money off creating videos through ads?
 * Would the same be applied in a walkthrough-intended direction?
 * Speaking of Archive.org, because the website is a 501(c)(3) non-profit, would the archived content (not the webpages, but individual files) be usable? I find it fascinating that the website has an archive most of the G4TV videos (web-only content, and the shows themselves) after they have announced they have shut down, with the staff laid off (even though the website G4TV.com is still there, pending it's disappearance in the future). I'm not sure if they had content takedowns because I don't check the individual files section very much (and just focused on browsing archived webpages), but I'm sure they have to do so due to being prominent in the internet. They don't make money off hosting the content due to relying on donations to keep them stable.
 * @, I'll do my best to respond to each of these, but let me know if I overlook anything.
 * Concerning offline walkthroughs/cheats/tips; Cheats do not need to be credited. Tips usually do not unless they are substantial (more than a sentence or two).  Walkthroughs are another matter.  If a walkthrough has a submitted author credit, we are obligated to make a "good faith" effort to get in touch with the author and ask for permission before we thrust someone's work into the public domain.  If you attempt to make contact and receive no reply, then it depends.  If it appears that the author of the walkthrough and the author of the website are the same, the content can be brought to this site, with proper attribution to the original source of the walkthrough.  On the other hand, if the walkthrough is contributed to the site by another user, you may only reproduce the content with that author's permission.  (Circumstances may be different if it can be determined that the author is deceased.)  And yes, all of the above applies to offline sites like GeoCities.  As long as we can show that an effort has been made to contact an author, we are ok.  Of course, if we don't hear from a user and use their content, and then subsequently reply indicating that they do not give us permission, we have to comply with the request, which can make things messy if new content has been applied on top of the old.
 * Converting video content to written walkthrough content is completely permissible, as you are generating new intellectual content. It would be nice if the source video was mentioned in the edit summary, but it's entirely not required.  The argument here is that there's little to distinguish someone else's video play through of a game, with your own personal experience with the game, since two different people playing through the same game are entirely likely to have similar play experiences from one another.  You could watch the video and learn from it, then play through the game yourself repeating the actions you saw, and then go on to describe those actions on this site.  Alternatively, you could skip the middle step of playing the game for yourself, and go straight from watching to describing.  Including the middle step will enrich the quality of what you write, but you still have the right to describe what you saw in someone else's video, as that is your own work.  The advertisement vs. non-advertisement argument is irrelevant in this case.
 * Content from archive.org falls under the exact same rules and stipulations as my response to the first question. Archive.org's state as a non-profit does not change our responsibility to at least attempt to reach out to the original content authors and attempt to gain permission for the rights to reproduce the content, expressly because we are not classified as a non-profit.  The only case where we are not required to seek authorization is when the content is already made available through a compatible license (CC-BY-SA 3.0), in which case it is assumed that the permission has already been sought and obtained, and we are merely obligated to maintain the attribution to the original author of the content.
 * That should just about cover every question you asked, but let me know if I missed anything, or if you still have further questions.  Pro cyon  13:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Procyon, here are another round of questions (actually it's just 1 question with 2 sub-questions) worth tackling further: This is pretty much it for a while, until other things hidden from my eyes suddenly pops up of course. --RAP (talk) 06:23, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding walkthrough-like content in the form of text or writing, would the same be applied under a user comment or post from a forum or blog? It may sound like I'm stretching and dispersing what is something that can be copyrighted, and something that can just be a thought voiced using a social platform, but this is more crystal clear clarification I need to know before I will add more content to the wiki in the future.
 * Is just creating a comment, opinion or thought copyrighted by the user?
 * If someone in a game topic / blog post puts out specific details of the person's thoughts on the game they are playing at the moment, or gives advice to a struggling player; are they indirectly producing their own walkthrough guide?


 * The rule of thumb is that all written content will have to be re-written to avoid plagiarism. All submissions by people (even anonymous) are copyrighted by the website it is located at. That means that some blogs may take ownership. Sites like Facebook claim ownership of all content. Guide sites take credit for all submissions, though some allow users to self-credit and license their content out however they like. This website takes ownership of your submissions, but it is licensed under CC-BY-SA. -- 16:08, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @, pretty much hit the nail on the head.  It's not so much about whether a post on a blog or facebook is copyrighted or not.  Chances are, even if they were, you could sneak the content on here, and no one would even notice what you did.  The point is that it's just bad policy to reproduce anyone's work without seeking permission first.  Presumably, if the post is small enough, it shouldn't take much effort to re-word the post, however slightly, and make it your own work.  That happens all the time.  And if it's generic enough (e.g. "The coin is in the third block.") so that anyone could have constructed the same sentence, then there isn't even any need to rewrite it.  But always air on the safe side; When in doubt, get permission or rewrite it.  Obviously, if the licensing is present and compatible, there's no doubt, just grab it and cite the source.   Pro  cyon  19:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Items Table
One thing i noticed is how some pages have fancy Item Table (like Pokémon_Gold_and_Silver/Mt._Mortar) while other only have a simple List (like this one in Pokémon_Gold_and_Silver/Whirl_Islands). Can you standardized all pages with the fancy table? Paco (talk) 08:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * @, yeah, I know, I'm just trying to lay all of the content down first, and then I was going to go back and try to standardize all of the formatting, which is a little easier to do, but a little more brain-dead as well. When I get all the way through laying in the content, I plan to go back through the guide and standardize all of the formatting.   Pro  cyon  13:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC)