Talk:Eternal Sonata/Chapter 1: Raindrops

Achievements template
I was wondering... do I have to use the achievement template on this guide? I find the template doesn't really fit with the overall look of the guide and it's breaking up the flow. Also, the template itself could be improved, it doesn't really say 360 to me in anyway. It just looks very strange.

Later in the walkthrough we have an achievement worth 321 points and that doesn't really fit in the template:

Any advice or thoughts?Minx 03:41, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
 * I've already been convinced by Minx that the current Achievement template isn't terribly good; I've put together an alternative suggestion on my user page sandbox. --aniki21 08:07, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
 * I'd suggest bringing it up on the forums. -- Prod (Talk) 08:27, 7 April 2008 (CDT)

Indicators for Trade Sequence and Encore-only?
I've been thinking as I read through this and other walkthroughs that perhaps it would help to indicate certain things that you can run across during the game. In particular, I'm thinking about the Trading Sequence and things that can only occur in the Encore (the 2nd playthrough). I was wondering if perhaps an indicative icon could be used to note when the trading sequence is occurring and perhaps things that occur only in the Encore could be indicated by putting them in a box similar to those used for bosses (maybe even make them capable of being hidden until clicked so as to reduce spoil factor). Thought I'd throw these out for discussion.—WhosAsking 16:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * See sidebar, which was created for this kind of thing. - najzere T 17:27, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think the spoiler template is better for the Encore Only parts. Only problem I have with it is that it's a bit gaudy, but sidebar's no better, and at least spoiler allows the concealment of the Encore stuff. I might try the sidebar for the Trading Sequence, though. I've used my personal page as a sandbox so you can preview my ideas.—WhosAsking 19:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The only problem with the spoiler is it relies on JavaScript, so any users that don't have it enabled won't be able to see what's inside. If you don't like the look of some of the elements, you're free to make your own template. See Zelda PoH for an example. - najzere T 20:11, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Lemme look into it. Perhaps I can provide an improved version of the spoiler template, one that has a NOSCRIPT element that shows the spoiler automatically if JS isn't allowed. I've seen this kind of behavior before in Wikipedia, so I know it's possible. I'll just need to study the source code for a bit...—WhosAsking 12:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't look like I can go that way. Strategy Wiki lacks the refinement to do what I'm seeking. However, I can perhaps use the Spoiler template's formatting as a basis to create a different kind of sidebar template: one in this case with the title to the side rather than the top. This should look more graceful in our case. I'll try it on my page again and see how it looks. it'll always be visible, but I think it'll look more graceful in doing it.—WhosAsking 18:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like my solution is to employ a simple wiki table with inline styling. What do you think about it?—WhosAsking 18:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I like it. I asked about the spoiler template once, since it would be pretty simple to use JS to collapse the element on page load so it would only be hidden for JS users, but I was told that it is more important to hide spoilers, and if the info is critical it shouldn't go in the template. - najzere T 16:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I like this idea. I have a couple of comments - I think a better choice of colour could be used. The pale yellow and bright blue really stand out. Perhaps a lighter, less bold blue would suit better? The encore indicator is cool. Is there a way to make this a template so it is easier for people (read: me) to add in to the guide in the future? Also, most of the time the box runs all the way to the edge, despite not containing any text towards the end. In the Forte City Prison section this stops so it doesn't run into the party template, is there an easy way to do this for them all? Maybe as part of the template? I've got my walkthrough handwritten in a notebook, which I have just found again after moving house. I'll start to type up the rest of the chapters for this guide over the next month --Minx 20:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can throw it into a template any time, or WhosAsking can. I'd also suggest making the the width of the cell that says "Encore" fixed for all of them. By the way, Minx, what blue are you talking about? The only blue I see is on the links. - najzere T 20:30, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry... the blue I meant is part of the Trading Sequence box rather than the encore indicator. --Minx 20:35, 20 May 2009 (UTC)