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Bottom of the Well Guide?
There isn't a specific guide that goes on past the Lens of Truth in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Notmyhandle has done some work, but I'm wondering if someone else is planning on working on it. --|Superpowered  Mario  22:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'll get there in time. -- 06:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I would if I could, but I've only been doing makeshift edits, plus the fact that I never have decided to (and probably never will) venture the well that much.--|Superpowered  Mario  20:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, the area is fairly easy anyways so I think anyone who has gotten this far already won't need much help (but we'll cover it anyways). -- 21:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Wii and Guitar Button Template Touches.
I've been also thinking about finishing updating images to complete it. Ever since the Wii Wheel, Wii Zapper and Wii Fits accessories (don't know that name), I expect someone to at least match up the images to it. Not much really but just need to match up the B button on Wii Wheel and Wii Zapper and having simple signs on the Wii Fit game. The Guitar Template on the other hand is empty. It's impossible to think that all the buttons on are there when it's not. Well if anyone's up besides me with no experience on images can do this part then I will be grateful. I presume they're not going to do it but it won't hurt to give it a try. Lastly I believe it will take a month to make those images but that's my best estimate. Johnnyauau2000 13:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

New Template
I've created a new template (The Sims 2 object) for objects in The Sims 2 and I need someone to go over and check that I've done everything right. I'd like to start adding this template to the obejct pages that exist but there might be some problems with the template so if someone could first go over it and then get back to me so that I can start adding the template or if someone else can help adding it then that would be much appreciated.Sims2Guy 07:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks OK to me. :-) --DrBob (talk) 11:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, I've started to add the template for pages that have object profiles and it would be a great help if some people started to add it as well. This is a list of all pages that need the template added.

Pages that have been done have a strike through them. If some people start to help, that will be much appreciated.Sims2Guy 00:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Dining Chairs
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Living Chairs
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Recliners
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Sofas and Loveseats
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Beds
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Decorative/Sculptures
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Decorative/Wall Hangings
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Decorative/Miscellaneous
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Hobbies/Creativity
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Comfort
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Surfaces
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Decorative
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Plumbing
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Electronics
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Lighting
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Hobbies
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Miscellaneous
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Other
 * The Sims 2: Open for Business/Decoration
 * The Sims 2: Open for Business/Hobbies
 * The Sims 2: Open for Business/Other
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Comfort
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Surfaces
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Decorative
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Appliances
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Electronics
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Lighting
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Hobbies
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Miscellaneous
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Other
 * Updated. All done! - naj zere 22:53, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Newbi make booboo
I made a Template:NGP while I didn't know what I was doing, and I'm hoping someone will take a look at it. Plus I didn't categorize the following images and don't know how to fix that. (they should be categorized as Fighter Portraits). --Blue Phoenix 16:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Haohmaru.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Iori.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Kyo.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Leona.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Mai.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Nakoruru.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Ryo.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Terry.png‎


 * As long as it works, what's the problem? Have you tested it? I added the switch statement to help. Also take a look at the changes I've made to your post to make it more compact and display correctly.-- 00:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note, the categorization requested here has been completed. -- 08:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The Godfather content.
I hate to say this but I have no experience adding extra pages to this game. What I want to do is really two things ... if any of you own a Wii, you know what I expect. I'm sure you know already about the corrupt cop hit that is an addition to this game. Maybe you can improvise on that. Also this game can't do without some sort of strategy for going into all four compounds. The simple deal is how about setting up the pages and I'll do the rest since my strength sometimes work there. If you have spare time, I hope you can reshape all the control areas and also add the PC version if you have the chance. I just wish I know how to do that but that's just me. Help me as soon as you can. Johnnyauau2000 08:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * By "adding extra pages to this game", do you really mean "adding pages to the table of contents"? To "add" a page to a game, all you do is create it (i.e. either type the page name in the address bar of your browser, OR make a red link, like New page, and then click on the red link and create the new page). To add a page to the table of contents, all you do is add a link to the page on the table of contents page (you can access this page from the link in the header nav of every page, or again, just append "/Table of Contents" to the end of your URL when viewing the main page of a guide). What do you mean "reshape all the control areas"; change the controls page? -- 08:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The truth is it's getting much harder to understand such simple tasks like shooting a gun and doing hand to hand combat. That's how I see the page today. As for adding pages to the table of contents, I could get totally lost doing this. What I mean is if I did a new page but I keep forgetting what the pages are for than I'm lost. If you understand what I mean than I hope my point is clear. Johnnyauau2000 09:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's how you see what page? So if you're confused or whatever, why not just tell me what page to make for you? Plus, if you're just being forgetful, the titles of the pages describe their content. I understand what you say, but it seems more like a personal problem than something that I can help you with. -- 18:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

True that it's a personal problem but I have no-one else to turn to so this is my only choice. Let's go step by step. If I want to go into the compound, what title should work for it once I put into the table of contents? I still don't have any thoughts at the time so help me out on this. Johnnyauau2000 04:55, 28 September 2008 (UTC) By the way, the page I was talking about is about using the controller in different consoles. Only Xbox360 and the Wii is there and could've been redone in a way that would save a lot of effort. Johnnyauau2000 06:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I have never played The Godfather game, but you could make a page called "Compound" or a section called Compound and then a page under it called "Entry." If the game has a name or chapter for it or something, that would be better. For controls, see Control selector. -- 06:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm slowly getting the idea. It's actually right in front of me because I was wondering if there was a link to the "Table of Contents". Anyway, don't worry about the hitman, the corrupt police officer that's been added to the Wii. It will take too long to add them in if I have to search through my memory. Instead, I'll leave it as a small reference on the main page of the article. Johnnyauau2000 07:09, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

need for speed most wanted for psp
i have a ps and have just got the game need for speed most wanted for it. i would like to kno if there is any way u could let me know how to put the bounse parts on my car in the game? i just started playing the psp so im very new at this if u mite not be able to help can u seggest some one that can? i called the game stop and they dont know how to niether.

thank you for your time. chris whore_man420@yahoo.com


 * I don't think any of the admins have this game. It looks like there are no real active authors for that game, so I'm guessing that no one can help you at this time. Also, if you want a response, come back here; there's no need to email you. Did you mean bonus parts of your car? Or bounce parts? bounse isn't a word... -- 06:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Toolbox
How can I edit the Toolbox on my user page? I'm trying to add a "Najzere's Pages" section. Thanks, - naj zere 13:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how NMH or Skizzerz does it, but you can check out my page for how to hardcode it.-- Duke Ruckley Talk 16:10, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I copied Ryan's templates; I think he made them so that the code on his actual user page would be minimized. Plus, it looks kinda cool as an extension of the Toolbox. -- 17:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * For mine, use and  to build each of the respective items. Check the docs on each page for syntax, etc. if you want to use that. For an example, see User:Ryan Schmidt/UserNav (that's the one that I use and transclude onto each of my user pages). -- 21:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks all! - naj zere 06:30, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, need some more help. I used the two templates in my UserNav page, now I just need to know what transcluding is and how it's done. Thanks, - naj zere 06:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Transclusion is the process of showing or using the content of one page on another page, without having the data saved to the page itself. It's how templates work; except transclusion can be used on any page (templates just have a special namespace for organization). You would thus put the following on the pages that you want your custom nav to appear: -- 08:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, - naj zere 16:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

--how to get army base to grow in sim city 2000-
question ... how do i get army base to grow in simcity 2000 ? user name borntobroil reply at borntobroil@hotmail.com 10/10/08
 * You'd be better off asking on our forums. --DrBob (talk) 23:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Verbose SNK names
I think the folder names for many SNK fighters are too exact. Instead of Fatal Fury: King of Fighters, it should be moved to Fatal Fury or Fatal Fury 1 and only have the subtitles in the pages themselves. Other examples include: Blue Phoenix 23:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * For what benefit? Our policy is to go by the official names of the games, and redirect the alternative names and misspellings to the proper page. -- Prod (Talk) 00:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Prod. This policy is in place to ensure the accuracy of information.  The last two games in your list of examples speaks directly to that point.  I personally know why you chose the fighting game to be called SNK vs. Capcom and the card game to be called something else, but someone else may disagree with you.  With such a policy, there can be no argument what the guide should be called.  At the same time, Blue Phoenix, I highly encourage you to create as many appropriate redirects as you feel necessary.  Fatal Fury should redirect to Category:Fatal Fury (which I just fixed), but Fatal Fury 3 should (and better) redirect to Fatal Fury 3: Road to the Final Victory, likewise with Art of Fighting 3 and Art of Fighting 3: The Path of the Warrior.  Your concern speaks to the accessibility of the guides, and the redirects serve that purpose, while allowing the policy of appropriate guide names to remain in tact. Procyon (Talk) 03:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If that is the case then shouldn't the Capcom pages be named similarly.


 * Street Fighter II ||Street Fighter II: The World Warrior
 * Street Fighter II Champion Edition ||Street Fighter II' Champion Edition
 * Street Fighter II Turbo ||Street Fighter II' Hyper Fighting
 * Super Street Fighter II ||Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers
 * Street Fighter Alpha ||Street Fighter Alpha: Warriors' Dreams
 * Street Fighter III ||Street Fighter III: New Generation
 * Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact ||Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact: Giant Attack
 * Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike ||Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future
 * }
 * and that just the Street Fighter Games--Blue Phoenix 13:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ouch... I feel like I just got punched in the nuts... OK, we need to review this matter more closely. Good call BP.  Procyon (Talk) 17:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact ||Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact: Giant Attack
 * Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike ||Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike: Fight for the Future
 * }
 * and that just the Street Fighter Games--Blue Phoenix 13:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ouch... I feel like I just got punched in the nuts... OK, we need to review this matter more closely. Good call BP.  Procyon (Talk) 17:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * and that just the Street Fighter Games--Blue Phoenix 13:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ouch... I feel like I just got punched in the nuts... OK, we need to review this matter more closely. Good call BP.  Procyon (Talk) 17:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just redirect the unspecific titles to the category page or an alternate disambiguation page (I think the category is sufficient). -- 19:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I aggree with Prod that we should allways stay with th correct title of the game (and that all the incorrect titles should be simple redirects) but I strongly suggest that we keep the character pages where they are at [Series Name/characters/character name] and do not move them to [first game in the series name/characters/character name]. The reason for that is simply that it is very confusing for the user if he/she is at [Super Street Fighter II Turbo], clicks at a link labeled Ryu and is suddenly at [Street fighter II: The World Warriors/Character/Ryu] with no obvious way to return to the game where he/she came from. --Bmuig 20:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC) (talk)
 * I've been discussing these game names with Procyon, and this is quite the mess of inconsistent naming and excessive ports/re-releases. The general policy is to go with the official name as given by the company. This is decided on a game by game basis and doesn't need to be consistent between series' (or even within).  So, some games can go with the full titles and others don't need to, all depending on what the companies officially say the name is.  Any other names should be set up as redirects -- Prod (Talk) 20:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This whole situation has gotten way out of hand, and has created an extreme mess of problems, and spaghetti links. Therefore, in order to simplify the matter, I would like to propose what Blue Phoenix proposed at the start of this thread, and that we go with the simplest form of the official title, and leave the subtitles for redirects.  The bottom line is what's best for the reader, and it's doubtful that the reader will ever search entirely on the title "Street Fighter II: The World Warrior" or "Fatal Fury: The King of Fighters."  They're just going to search for "Street Fighter II" (or 2, or just SF2, or whatever) and "Fatal Fury".  So let's try and simplify this once and for all.  Subtitles should only be used when they can be used to distinguish between two games that are similarly named, such as SNK vs. Capcom: Match of the Millennium, a fighting game, and SNK vs. Capcom: Card Fighters Clash, a card game. Procyon (Talk) 00:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * It looks like this is the best way. Use the simplified version, redirect the long version(s), and make it well known whats going on on the main page of each guide. -- 21:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, it looks like Bmuig and I have managed to nick the subtitles off of some of the SNK games. As I mentioned in the table above, there are still certain games that have legitimate and necessary reasons for containing the subtitle.  Further cases can be brought forth for discussion, but would probably be best taken care of in the forums than here.  Thanks for your help Bmuig!  Procyon (Talk) 22:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There's still KOF'98 to take care of, but I'll do that sometime later this week (I'm really tired now) ... and thank you for your help, too, Procyon, that went a lot faster than I expected :) --Bmuig 22:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC) (talk)
 * I think the disambiguation title reason is flimsy, and if the official names are the same, should use something else for disambiguation. If my box says SNK vs. Capcom, how would you know which title to go to (even if you knew which ones existed).  From what I can tell, I don't think it's an issue in this case, since those seem to be the official names anywayz. -- Prod (Talk) 06:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Song lyrics in various articles
I recall asking about this a while ago, and I'm still wondering: why are they still in articles such as Donkey Kong? It became a featured guide: but the lyrics are still there. They don't serve much purpose, and it doesn't help in understanding how to play or beat the game. Perhaps all the lyrics should just be moved to a subpage? This might be a minor thing, but I don't see why the Wiki should be a lyrics database for some games. RobJ1981 00:23, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

It's a bizarre experiment that you need to know the lyrics in order to sing a song. I even doubt theirs a musical wiki version where you get to edit music but that's just me. All I'm wondering is how many wiki's like this is out there. There's Wikipedia and Strategy Wiki and I'm certain there could be more. Anyway, this is an editable site for games and lyrics should be a minor thing unless it's needed for games that has music which plays a major role like High School Musical for example. Johnnyauau2000 06:21, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's just nostalgia. If you would check the history, you'd see it was Procyon who has added most, if not all, of the lyrics (if I recall correctly). And you are correct Rob. I don't care, but if you'd like to remove them, you have SW's scope to back you up. Also, we're still discussing a second wiki for stuff like that, so the future may hold a better home for things like that. -- 03:51, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * They will be removed eventually. The plan is to move them to the second video game non-walkthrough wiki that we plan to create.  If it really bothers you, you can remove them today.  As long as they are in the history, I can retrieve the text when the other wiki becomes available.  The scope for the second wiki still needs to be defined, but right now it is essentially anything that is expressly video game related that falls outside of SW's scope, including characters, items, locations, history, merchandise, etc.  Contributions that I plan to submit are primarily retro in nature, but they include Pac-Man Fever lyrics, scans of the old Fleer Pac-Man cards and the Topps Donkey Kong cards, scans of vintage retro magazine covers and Atari Force comic books (and possibly other Atari comic books), and descriptions of all the Nintendo Game & Watch series and video game watches that Nelsonic used to make.  Procyon (Talk) 04:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

GTA: SA mission problems
I have got the key card from Millie( I think that is how her name is spelled) but the mission for that is called Key to her heart, i have done all the other onesunder that except breaking the bank at C(i dont know how to spell it) but i am sure you know what I mean. I cant find where to go to get to that mission, could you please tell me where to go. thank you....alishia please email me at purple22_07@yahoo.com
 * Hi. You'd be better off asking on our forums. --DrBob (talk) 16:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Image storage
Hi, is there a page where we can browse the images uploaded to the wiki? I'm looking at the Entropia Universe/Skills page, and all the image links are broken. How can I research uploaded images to see if anything like the references links are in there? Thanks, - naj zere 06:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Special:ImageList. -- 07:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. - naj zere 08:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Image-related question: Is there a way to make images not automatically link to their information page? I'd like to use an image as a link. Specifically, I'd like to mirror a 10x5 table from a game menu, filled with pictures of different items, and have a click on an item result in page navigation to a corresponding anchor. This might confuse users who are used to images directing to information, so I would add instructions to click an item for more information. Is this doable? Thanks, - naj zere 15:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC) But it seems that the template is interpreted with a top-down approach, so the    tags are interpreted before the    parameter, making it impossible to put the user input between them. I tried finding how it's done on MediaWiki, but whenever I see formatted code they're just using    tags alone. So their parser is looking for those and applies special formatting? Anyway, I've used this a few times already so I think a template would be beneficial. The template I started, which doesn't work is here. Thanks, - naj zere 17:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just thought of using

Invisible tags
Hey, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what's going on with the Chip's Challenge/Walkthrough page as far as the wikify tags are concerned. When I go in to edit the page I don't see the tags anywhere. - naj zere 17:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It's on the table of contents. -- Prod (Talk) 17:52, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Category: Sony Greatest Hits
As I was adding some category tags to pages, I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to split the page up into different systems. Seems like a lot of work to try and get PlayStation 2 to sort the games, or to change the category page itself to sort them based on console from their infoboxes. But I thought I'd mention it. - naj zere 23:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The latter is basically impossible (changing the behavior of the category page, that is). Also, what is wrong with the (default) alphabetical sorting? -- 02:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be grouped by by system with subcategories (Category:Sony Greatest Hits (PlayStation 3) or something like that). -- Prod (Talk) 05:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with the default sorting, I was just looking at the WikiPedia page where they have them grouped by console. There's no need for subcategorizing, I just wanted to ask before I go through 300 games adding deprecated category tags. - naj zere 20:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Table formatting
Is there a way to build up some space around tables so text flows better around them when they're floating on the left? For instance:
 * First list element
 * Second list element
 * Third list element

should look the same as floating images:
 * First list element
 * Second list element
 * Third list element

It's kind of limiting as far as layout, because if you don't have a 100% width table, you can only put it on the right. Thanks, - naj zere 03:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to add a margin-right to the style parameter of prettytable. See the above table for an example of how to do this. -- 03:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This might be something we should do in the main style sheet. Essentially the same css we use for the sidebar.  DrBob, your opinions? -- Prod (Talk) 04:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm no DrBob, but I would be a huge supporter of that, this problem has bit me in the butt so many times. Procyon (Talk) 04:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ahh cool, looks good. - naj zere 06:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd be OK with adding a 1.4em margin to the right-hand side of left-floated prettytables, and to the left-hand side of right-floated prettytables, but going any further than that will start breaking things. --DrBob (talk) 07:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not both sides indiscriminately? It would have to be done through the template if we're to have it dependent on position. -- Prod (Talk) 05:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No; not both sides indiscriminately, or it'll hover off the side of the page, which wouldn't look nice. We can change the template to apply a different class to it, based on whether it's floated left or right. --DrBob (talk) 07:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Image formatting
I noticed some weird formatting with the line spacing when you put a floating image inside a block of text, as opposed to before it:

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
 * Embedded in a paragraph

The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
 * Before a paragraph

So it looks like the line spacing is getting condensed in there. Where to put the image is somewhat referenced in the guide, but it doesn't explicitly say not to put it right in the middle of some text. I saw this effect on the Dog's Life guide, and just took the images out of the blocks of text to fix it. It's a pretty minor issue, but I don't know how many other guides are using images this way. - naj zere 08:30, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This is another thing I run into all the time. Thank you Najzere for bringing them up.  I always thought this had something to do with images in tables, I didn't realize tables were not required to recreate this effect.  Does anyone know if this also takes place on WP or is it exclusive to us? Procyon (Talk) 14:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem to affect WP, but it is difficult to tell because of all the references they use. That's an interesting effect I never really thought about much, but it definitely should be fixed if we can do so.-- Duke  Ruckley Talk 14:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well line spacing isn't an issue, but WikiPedia doesn't handle it well either: an example. - naj zere 15:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That sandbox looks fine to me, however on SW the condensed text is noticeable. -- 19:24, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Really? I see the line break right in the middle of the sentence in the sandbox. I'm using Firefox 3.0.4 and screen resolution of 1440x900 if that matters. In this image you can see the line breaking and the space actually increases between the line where it breaks and the line where it picks back up. - naj zere 20:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This looks like it's something that's being done by the wiki parser and it's different from wikipedia (ie. might be fixed in a later patch).
 * Before paragraph: We both put the paragraph in it's own  block.
 * In paragraph: Wikipedia breaks it into two separate  blocks, one for the stuff before, one for the stuff after.  Here on SW, it seems that we don't even put the   tags in at all for this case.
 * --Prod (Talk) 21:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless the line break location is unintentional, I can't see why it's a bad thing. -- 03:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Need for Speed Undercover
I know the game is out but I haven't had the guts to ask these questions. What's the normal process is when you know the new games available and is to be expected to be on the list? How do they make that box image and the things around it and as a whole, how does the forum work? I will admit I know how to edit but I'm not that good at ... how should I put this? A small table list on the side with the picture and even make a new page which is scary to me. Anyway, it's about a month until Christmas there's still those things I have yet to learn. I hope you won't take it the wrong way or leave me with a wrong impression because I'm known to make mistake which is hard not to do twice. Johnnyauau2000 05:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You can create a new page in a few different ways. You can type the name of the page into your browser's address bar, into the search box at the top of the page or you can click on a red link with page's name. They all produce different results:


 * Once you get to the edit page, just click the button above the edit box that says "Main game page" and it will automatically put in everything you need for a new main game page, including the infobox, which is the table with the image in it on the side. - naj zere 06:56, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll use the available resources from Gamespot which is the site I go to a lot. However the image game box (if that's correct) will not be there at first. If it works, I'll get on with it as long as anyone can provide help for me. This will be the first for me to see if I have the courage to make a new page. Johnnyauau2000 10:17, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I hate to make it worse but I want to add two more games for multiplatform consoles. Call of Duty: World at War and James Bond 007: Quantum of Solace is what I want to add before Christmas. I could use some more help on those. I couldn't help how iconic those games were so I'm not going to let this chance slip out of my hands. As for table of contents, I better let the more experience editor help set up those links and maybe I'll get the idea once more. I'm sorry if it's too much. Johnnyauau2000 12:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the wake up call. I'll think more about when to use help but what can I do? Where else can I turn for help? Anyway, I'm far too emotional to do anymore. Next time, I should spend less time asking for help and spend more time learning to edit in a more constructive way (not to mention all that hard work that's been paid off). I wish I have a diary but I can't do it on the internet. Anyway, this is the last I want to add because my guilt should be over by now. Johnnyauau2000 07:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Online journal? Isn't that what a blog is? We'll help where we can. -- 12:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Wii Speak.
I would do it in the forum but I don't know how to sign in. The new accessory is available today. I don't know where else to give the news so this is the best I could do. You could very well update it on the Wii along with the Wii Zapper and the Wii Balance Board. I would do it but I don't know where to get the picture for it. Anyway, I'll understand if you don't want to add it because help should be there only for really tough questions that can hardly be answered. Johnnyauau2000 00:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Unreal Engine
I made a pages for Category:Unreal Engine and Category:Unreal Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4, but I'm not sure about them. I categorized the individual ones with   so they show up on the main page, and I transcluded the intro from the main page onto the individual pages. They all have   on them, but maybe the main one shouldn't? If a game uses the Unreal Engine, wouldn't it be one of the four? Anyway, I wanted some input on that and also whether doing the tranclusion was okay and whether there should even be a main Unreal Engine page. Thanks, - naj zere 16:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering the number of games, I think they could all be categorized under the general "Unreal Engine." Thus, 1, 2, 3, and 4 would all be considered versions of the same product, and individual descriptions of changes or whatever could reside on the broad category page (and individual ones would be deleted). -- 19:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine as long as it's agreed that knowing the specific version of the engine is unimportant. - naj zere 20:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sony
I'd like to change the category Sony to Sony Computer Entertainment due to the fact that it is the latter which produces video games and consoles. If I move Category:Sony to Category:Sony Computer Entertainment will links be automatically updated on all the pages? If not, can someone have their bot do it? - naj zere 20:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think with this case, you have to be careful about fixing things automatically. It's true that SCE is a publisher, and in a few cases, a developer of titles, but prior to the PlayStation, Sony did publish titles (like for the MSX and Famicom) simply as Sony, so you probably don't want to blanket apply such a change.  Pro  cyon  20:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, two separate pages then? Right now it looks like all the pages that have been categorized as Sony are for PS1 and up. I'm not sure if we just don't have any guides for Sony produced MSX games or they're not labeled as such, but before that happens it might be a good idea to switch the ones in the category to Sony Computer Entertainment. - naj zere 20:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ordered lists
Can we fix this? gives:
 * 1) three
 * 2) four
 * 3) five
 * 1) three
 * 2) four
 * 3) five

Works on WP, by the way. - naj zere 22:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that it works on WP just proves that they rely on utter hacks in order to do things. If you want to start an ordered list at something other than 1, use straight-up HTML instead of a wikimarkup hack, e.g.

three four five
 * which gives:

three four five
 * Don't use hacks. -- 23:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)