User talk:Prod

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Metroid Wiki Skin Issues
Hey, this is embyr_75. Not sure who's where and who's doing what (the admin Skype chat seems to be dead), but Metroid Wiki just got a new skin, and there's a few problems cropping up, some of which are MediaWiki related I believe. I've started a discussion here. Please drop by when you can. Also, the other admins are MIA at the moment. 63.226.192.91 23:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Pretty funny you'd ask for skin help here, considering how poorly some of our skins are maintained. — Najzere  ·  Talk  02:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, I'm not touching BlueCloud. It took more work maintaining that thing than working on the rest of the site. It's probably time to disable that now that it doesn't work at all... -- Prod (Talk) 04:06, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Any plans for the  class, which does nothing in Dolphin and Vector and doesn't display in Monobook? —  Najzere  ·  Talk  06:57, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably time to kill it... -- Prod (Talk) 00:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

More issues, this time from the 1.19 update I believe. I posted another blurb about it in the Discussion Center. Drop by when you get the chance, all our coders seem to have been scattered throughout the Interdimensional Void. 63.226.192.91 19:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I left you a Message regarding the Upload Wizard. Please take a look when you get a chance. Thanks! -- embyr_75 18:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, Metroid Wiki again. Do you get poked every time I edit your MW talk page? If so I'll stop stalking you here lol. Anyway. It's about the asterisk fix we discussed once. You'll find it here. Thanks! -- embyr_75 02:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, he will be notified. He hasn't been on much lately. -- 18:54, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Weird replacements
Ah, this is the result of a workaround on my part (AWB only supports highlighting one non-replacement keyword at a time). These changes were meant to act as highlighting only so were reverted prior to saving the page but apparently I made some mistakes along the way. I'll do this in a different way in future to prevent this happening again. Thanks for letting me know. :) Garrett (talk) 10:53, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Signup Issues?
For some reason, I cannot create an account here. It just says "Login error: Incorrect or missing confirmation code.", even though I did everything right. Is there an explenation? Uxie Lover  1994 19:15, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Control selector bug
Hi Prod, could you look into this for me? Over at http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Dragon_Warrior_III/Enemies we're trying to use control to select different images, but when we have two images, the second one will overlap (e.g. look halfway down the page for Kandar; compare NES to SNES versions). It looks like, since we probably do not want to replace display:none with visibility:hidden (to account for the larger image size), that we either need an alternate control selector template for pages like this, or to scrap using floated images and make a layout out completely out of tables (put the stats table inside of a larger, 2 celled table (with no borders) with the left cell containing the image and the right cell containing the stats table). -- 17:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The only image visible on the default selection (NES) at the moment is Kandar (half way down). If you switch to SNES you will see all of them.  I'm going to play around with visibility:hidden before switching to displaying all of the images at once. Also, the discussions were fairly limited to simply presentation; people were bickering about the name of the template, whereas all we care about is functionality/accuracy of the display mechanism. I appreciate your input. -- 05:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

MS/Walkthrough
Please see Talk:MapleStory/Walkthrough. -- 16:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Bot request
Ugh, I should know better than to try and upload stuff when I'm tired. I screwed some stuff up that I wonder if you could easily bot-fix. I uploaded a bunch of images with when it should be  (plural). Furthermore there are 13 images that I started with "Golgo 13 TSP" when it should be "Golgo 13 TSE". Let me know if you can bot that or if I should start fixing it.  Pro cyon  03:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Mega Man Zero names
Ok, Thanks. --Abacos (talk) 11:31, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

MapleStory Town Updates reply
You mean by the "Availability : All versions" or something like that? Sure, I know what you mean. I will do that. Thanks :) Uglyface86 (talk) 09:46, 23 June 2012 (UTC)Uglyface86

MSX2
I haven't taken the time to work out how the compatibility is split between MSX models since there's also an MSX2+ and MSX TurboR and I'm not exactly sure where they fit in. Right now MSX and MSX2 have been categorised together but I'm using MSX2 in the infobox and sys so things can be migrated smoothly. I'll be sorting this out properly in the near future. :) Garrett (talk) 05:24, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Commodore 16/Plus 4 rename
Writing the system names with a slash is frequently used by the games themselves, which is also how we ended up with Commodore 64/128. I'm open to other options, of course, but that's the explanation behind the current name. :) Garrett (talk) 02:03, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Rough Roads/Acheivements/Hello
Hi I need a little help when possible to know where to put the achievements for this game/maybe others also? Thanks. --Osekrg353 (talk) 20:12, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

You have new messages
On your Metroid Wiki talk page, and the Main Page. ;) 63.225.172.186 03:26, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Portal FG nomination
Please review, here: Featured guides/Current requests. -- 07:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

EditSubpages and Semantic Forms
Has anyone tried to use EditSubpages with Semantic Forms? Please send response to bclemente@mitre.org

Captcha bug
Hi Prod, please see the discussion at User talk:Korrun and my page. Are you aware of captchas not working? -- 18:10, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Special characters in page names
We should change Namco × Capcom to Namco x Capcom, right? What about the image category that also contains ×? -- 17:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Email
Replied. Forgot to say, I don't check it, so if you send me a message, let me know here on SW. =) -- 06:50, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Pages to be deleted cleanup
So I'm just working on various cleanup. Found this discussion, again. Could you look it over and deem it resolved or not, then delete Controlstable? No update since 2010. I think it's dead, although I don't know if a forum topic spawned off it. -- 18:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

NeoSeeker link needs game parameter or disable option
So on a game like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure that shares the same name as several other games, the link to NeoSeeker may mess up. In this case, we are referring to a Super Famicom game that has nothing to do with the PlayStation or Dreamcast games of the same name that are linked in the infobox. We need an option to adjust the NeoSeeker link. -- 17:23, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Technically, it's on their end to correct those mistakes. However, I'm not sure if we have established a means to communicate with them and alert them to any mistakes that we discover.   Pro  cyon  03:31, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Leave me a message of which ones are incorrect, and we'll figure out a way to get them corrected. -- Prod (talk) 04:41, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Salnax nomination
Please see Requests for permissions/Salnax. -- 17:26, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Lylat Wiki link update
Please see Staff_lounge. -- 17:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Updating the registration page
Can you edit the registration page's content? The text above the image captcha refers to the old captcha (something about a sum and entering it into a box) and it doesn't apply anymore. Also, a warning about IE incompatibility should be added to the page because of all of the people who still use that browser and have trouble with our site because of it. -- 18:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This actually comes as part of the extension, which people have asked to have fixed :P. I'm testing another version of it that I'll have live soon that hopefully fixes some of these issues. -- Prod (talk) 04:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

MAME stubs and bots
Hey Prod, I'm replying to a thread that died out in early October. Thanks for volunteering to handle botted category/image renaming, since I don't have a bot of my own.

As for MAME stubs, or any stub for that matter, I am skeptical that using a bot to create them all would be useful. One of the really useful features of the site is the guide completion project. Using the list we can see which have been created and which have been not. Most of those created have thoroughly filled out main pages. If we were to use a bot to create stubs for all of the games that we want at StrategyWiki we would end up with 100% present, but 90% of them would look like garbage to viewers (most of which do not know how to begin editing under our standards). I think slow and steady is more effective, although it does create a bit more work that the bot could do. -- 18:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * What data would you pull out of the emulator to populate a page with? I can see a bot being able to roughly fill out an infobox and intro by copying Wikipedia pages, but I can't image how you would get any data out of the MAME software. -- 20:56, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Update Windows Logo (small)
Can you help me update the Windows icon from the current one (http://strategywiki.org/wiki/File:Windows_icon.png) to this (http://i48.tinypic.com/2nb98b5.png)? It's the new Windows logo that Microsoft introduced with the launch of Windows 8. Thanks! :) --Maplefreak26 (talk) 06:19, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I took the picture from Windows' Wikipedia page and cropped it so that only the icon was available and not the text. --Maplefreak26 (talk) 06:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

New preload buttons
Hi Prod, how do I edit the pre-load buttons or add new ones? We could use one for inserting the series template (for series cats). -- 18:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Maplestory availability
Hey

I'm playing MS europe, and sometimes editing the availability. Some of the tables are locked, so i was wondering if i could get to edit these, or if i could send the update information to someone who can, thanks!

Edittools update
Please see Paco's post at MediaWiki_talk:Edittools. -- 17:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Template redirects and transclusion efficiency
Hi Prod. Recently a user created Wii U. Our typical naming scheme for button templates is all lower case, like snes. I created a redirect for wii u to Wii U. If we expect ourselves and others to use wii u, will the performance drop be significant enough to where we should move Wii U to wii u and delete Wii U? Even if it isn't "significant" it will still be better, right? Since a redirect requires an additional page to be called and a few lines of code to be run (and potentially an additional connection to the server). -- 20:16, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Mega Man X series: why the spaces after the X's?
Because "Mega Man X" is the name of the series, then comes the episode number. For example, we write "Final Fantasy 2" or "Dragon Quest 4", not "Final Fantasy2" nor "Dragon Quest4". At least, that was my logic. --Abacos (talk) 11:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Nothing of importance, I think. Summarizing, in the category page Category:Mega Man X I wrote the titles as "Mega Man X 2", "Mega Man X 3" etc., but you changed them to "Mega Man X2", "Mega Man X3", with the comment in the title here (why the spaces after the X's?). We're just dealing with empty spaces here :-D
 * As a support to my spelling, I can quote the intro of one of the games that reads "Mega Man X episode 5", instead of "Mega Man episode X5". I think the intro of "Mega Man X 2" shows something similar, too.
 * I know in the web there's seldom the space between "Mega Man X" and the number, but I also know that English-speakers are seldom taught grammar at school (I don't mean any harm, this is a fact: one of the reasons of the international diffusion of English language is indeed the very simple grammar). --Abacos (talk) 12:47, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * That's fine with me then. Cheers :-) --Abacos (talk) 15:14, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Also note, Abacos, that X2 and X3 were typeset on their box artwork as exponents (X squared and X cubed, respectively). It looks like the Japanese name, e.g. the original name, for X2 was ロックマンX2 (Rock Man X2), which is obviously where the grammatically incorrect syntax came from. -- 19:25, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Sysop nomination for Test
Please see Requests for permissions/T.testLP. -- 20:35, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Monster Hunter Tri
I'll be working on it later in the year. Can you update this main page for me? Don't know if you're the right person for the job but it's something I'll be doing once I've done with Call of Duty Black Ops walkthrough. I might not get the message so message me if you're done or perhaps I might be forced to find the box art and write down from Wikipedia to get the front page working. Sorry to interrupt.

Thanks. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 03:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Neoseeker error
Hi Prod. In the main page of Final Fantasy III NES/DS all the Neoseeker Related Pages are related to the SNES Final Fantasy VI (FF3 in the USA) instead. I opened the page for edit, but could not fix that. --Abacos (talk) 11:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The data is pulled from an external database maintained by neoseeker. I'll ask them to update it. Thanks for the report! -- Prod (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now. -- Prod (talk) 01:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you help by running some bot replacement searches for us?
MapleStory could use an overhaul to adhere to our page naming policy. We never got around to it because of the vast amount of content and links. Basically, the monster pages, town pages, and class pages all have incorrect hierarchies in their names. I would like to split this up into a few smaller projects. So let's start with the smallest: monster pages. If I were to rename them all and give you a list of link replacements to search for could you run it through with your bot? Thanks. -- 18:11, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For sure, just let me know what you need. If you can plan out the whole guide of renames at once that would be good too.  What kind of changes are you thinking of though? I though only the character guides were misnamed before. --Prod (talk) 04:03, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

MW oddities
Hello! this. That is all. 66.233.31.141 21:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi there! Me again. Our current featured picture isn't generating a thumbnail anymore. Take a look at the Discussion Center when you get the chance, if you pleeeaseee! 66.233.31.141 19:05, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Seeing that you are familiar with this type of issue, please take a look at Ghostbusters/Console differences and File:Ghostbusters 2600 ghost.gif. Can the thumbnails be fixed to display properly? -- 22:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * This looks like a different issue. The one on Metroid Wiki was due to gigantic images taking a lot of memory for the conversion program to run.  It looks like this is caused by it generating improper gif files, which are currently cached in our CDN.  I've cleared the thumbnails on the server, and now just need to wait for the cache to expire so it generates a new thumbnail. -- Prod (talk) 00:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oddly, the file I linked had its thumbnail fixed, but none of the other images on the site did. Also, this one is broken, too: File:Chrono Trigger Zeal boss.gif. -- 16:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Broken .gif files
I am finding more and more broken gifs around the site. Most notably is this file: File:Titanic Mystery FDS title.gif. Since it is animated, it has a different error than the other thumbnails (e.g. File:Chrono Trigger Zeal boss.gif). Also, since it is animated, I cannot solve the problem by re-uploading as .png. -- 02:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


 * It looks like even new gif files are broken now. See File:Lucky & Wild title screen.gif. -- 17:06, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * MediaWiki seems to have changed the way they handle things like thumbnailing in the last few versions and it appears to be causing lots of people issues. They suggest raising the amount of memory allocated to each process, though when I tried that it killed apache. I'm looking into some other options, but I don't think I have a quick fix for this one. -- Prod (talk) 01:43, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Your opinion is desired, please join this discussion
Hi Prod, I wanted to invite you to join in on this conversation: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Megaminxwin#Unused_image -- 20:09, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Upload
I'm wondering, what happened to the Multiple Upload form? --PirateIzzy (talk) 23:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC) I noticed the new Upload Wizard, and frankly, I prefer the single upload form, but that's my opinion, I don't know about others. It takes a much longer time because of filling out copyright info, and filling out categories for each individual image uploaded. Oh well, c'est la vie. --PirateIzzy (talk) 02:27, 30 September 2013 (UTC) The one problem I have with the UW now, it doesn't let me replace currently existing images, such as if I want to upload a new version of so-and-so. Is it possible to fix that? --PirateIzzy (talk) 03:30, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki patch
Thanks for the upgrade! Looks like Special:UploadWizard requires some additional setup for "Tutorial" content. Is the notifications an extension or part of MediaWiki? I am interested in details on that feature. -- 19:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. I noticed that the Notifications popup looks good on Dolphin, but I use Monobook and it is stuck behind the page content layer... -- 21:39, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

MapleStory skill template overhaul vote
Please see Staff lounge. We need your input. -- 16:20, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Game renaming
Hi Prod, were you doing all of those edits by hand for Mario & Luigi games? The LEGO games need all references to Lego changed to LEGO, like Lego Indiana Jones 2: The Adventure Continues. I will continue to work on this, but if you have a bot that can help I'd appreciate it. -- 18:51, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Anything done by User:Prod was manual, User:Auto Prod Bot was automatic. Some of the repointing stuff I could have done with a script, but it was only about 30 pages so I didn't feel like looking into it. Now that I think about it, Special:ReplaceText may be a useful tool, just be careful :). -- Prod (talk) 19:25, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I use Chrome's Search and Replace extension to do in-browser text replacement. You can do multiple passes in the same edit. It is not the best tool, need's regex support, but helps. Thanks anyways. -- 22:40, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * This extension will search all pages and do them in the background, and supports regexes. -- Prod (talk) 00:52, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Adminiship nomination: PirateIzzy
Please see Requests for permissions/PirateIzzy. -- 16:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I'm definitely going to make use of this. --PirateIzzy (talk) 05:08, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Database caching old links when logged out?
See this discussion: Category talk:Systems. The link for Category:Family Computer Disk System is only visible if logged in. On Dolphin, as an anon, it appears as a previous link, Category:Famicom Disk System. -- 06:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.22
MediaWiki 1.22 was recently released, and we're almost ready to deploy it. Please email me if you're interested in testing it. I'll contact a few of the most active users who reply with access details. -- Prod (talk) 20:46, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Infobox changes
I don't understand why you reverted my changes. The Japanese title I won't push, that is not a big deal. But double-series games - this is a valid use of case-tolerant coding. It does not hurt to enable us to display things better. Right now when we have two series games we have to arbitrarily pick one that is dominant. E.g. Pokémon Conquest is a combination of two series, though the English regionalization dissolved the reference to Nobunaga's Ambition for marketing purposes. Can we please re-add that functionality? If you don't have it, the infobox is incorrect, and you can't just add a second series to that parameter because it adds a category of whatever you pass to series=. -- 17:36, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought the only usage was the Taz/Asterix guide. Apart from Pokémon Conquest and Donkey Kong, are there any other games you've found that would fall under this.  I feel that when there's so few games that have this "issue", there has to be a cleaner way of dealing with it.  I would say the series parameter should just apply to the primary series, and anything else can be mentioned in the text and linked with the series navs. -- Prod (talk) 19:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

01/29/2014 maintenance
I couldn't tell who locked the database (you or Procyon since the message only said "maintenance"), but the new upgrades to MediaWiki(?) and/or the notifications extension is pretty sweet! I like how when you click "Save page" a pop up notification appears on the next page indicating that it actually saved. Note that images like File:Titanic Mystery FDS title.gif still have broken thumbnails. This is a significant issue for main pages that have their primary box art as a .gif. -- 18:38, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, it was you (given the dolphin to whale.css move in recent changes). So, I see a broken file that needs to be created (unless we want to link something differently). See http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Logging_in&action=edit&redlink=1 (this is the "Help with logging in link") as seen when you are logged out (just above the register button). The page needs to be created. Please start the page if you want it to be permanent and I will help with the content. -- 18:49, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Maybe linked to the GIF image error, when uploading new versions of images, the new versions do not take precedence. I have tested this between browsers that don't have any cache of SW whatsoever. The only fix is to delete the file, and re-upload with a DIFFERENT name (re-uploading over the same name will load the still cached, original, bad image). This has been around for a couple of months. -- 01:47, 30 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for working on this! I think the thumbnail issue is the biggest problem. Last night I uploaded two new transparent versions of images and they still haven't gotten new thumbnails. I suspect if you fix it, both the transparency and .gif thumbnail problems will be fixed at the same time. Good luck! -- 20:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)


 * I noticed the "google" link in the navigation links area doesn't work: http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Google-url -- 22:32, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Rollback?
I'm guessing there was a rollback, since most of my work in the Commerci quest section is gone. If so, that really sucks, since it was hard to gather all that info, and now I'll have to do it again >.< --PirateIzzy (talk) 01:56, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

The main one I'm concerned with is this. Not sure if it could still possibly be done, since I recently edited it today. If you can get it, I'd appreciate it. --PirateIzzy (talk) 06:15, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
 * On the chance that you do, I saved the current changes in a text document, so I could add at a later time. Thanks.

I'm going to guess that you couldn't get it back. If so, thanks anyway. --PirateIzzy (talk) 20:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Haven't been able to yet, but I'm not done trying... -- Prod (talk) 22:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Summation parser function
Hi Prod! Can you let me know if there is a sum function available? Otherwise, can you define it for us? Manual:Parser functions describes a simple PHP definition:

We're trying to add a variable summation of all PlayStation trophies in Achievement info. -- 16:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * What about just using expr? -- Prod (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Hah, thanks! I was looking through the help page, but I overlooked expr because I didn't know what it was for. Sorry about that. -- 20:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

youtu.be added to spam filter whitelist
I tried to post a youtu.be link but our system blocked me. I had to change it to youtube.com. -- 23:25, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks like this is based on a global blacklist. See the discussion here. -- Prod (talk) 03:48, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * So that's not something we can supersede locally? The rationale is poor. We don't care if people post "blacklisted videos" because we will just remove them if they are not pertinent here. Though since they are currently blocked, we can't tell if spammers are trying to post them. The main reason to unblock is due to the share option and internet noobs not knowing to change the URL. -- 05:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Server load related to images
Whether logged in or out, pages with images load extremely slow (~1 minute). However, if I open up several tabs, they will all finish loading at the same time. Pages with only text (e.g. recent changes and talk pages), load quickly. -- 17:34, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , do you have some example pages? Does it load faster the second time? -- Prod (talk) 23:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I was going through recent changes this morning, just patrolling Namcorules' redirects for stuff like Punch-Out!!. However, the issue is resolved now. I was just mentioning it in-case you were online at the time and could check the server's performance (e.g. Linux top command as well as apache domlogs). Isolated performance is usually due to a runaway service/memory leak or a botnet hogging bandwidth/apache sessions. Though, I'm speaking from my server experience. Not sure what SW is running on. -- 00:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd actually be surprised if it was images causing issues, since images are all hosted through a CDN. It could be that their server near you was having problems (CloudFlarewas a target of some big DDOS's recently).  It could be that some javascript file was having trouble loading (we have a fair number of those from analytics and ads). -- Prod (talk) 03:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Linking oddities
We have been discussing this in relation to images on RAP's talk page. He came up with a solution, which also applies to the issue I ran into. Basically, if you make an edit and a page links to that edited page, or template, the change does not appear. However, if you edit the page that is not transcluding the content correctly, it will then purge and appear correctly. This worked for me when I updated the collab of the month. The collab page and main page do not load the content (collab page showed a red link until I made an edit). Main page showed that the page did not exist until I edited it. Even weirder, the content appears in the preview of the edit, but if you go back to the page it will not appear. -- 01:06, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The main page has some special level of caching that is really hard to clear. The best way to update it is to edit the main page, add a line break at the end, and then save it.  It should count as a null edit and shouldn't show up in the history. -- Prod (talk) 05:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)