User talk:Procyon/2012

Message from CNCguides
Thanks for the message. I understand. I just saw a bit of a thread about linking to other sites and thought perhaps the philosophy had changed somewhat. I can understand your position and accept it. I appreciate the clarification. Cncguides 21:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)cncguides

Call Of Duty: Black Ops
I'am still a little lost on how to format things I wanted to make the multiplayer maps page and weapons how do i do this? ty. --Gunnerontharun22 03:22, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy Tactics
Hello!!

My (user)name is drkelflord and i would like your help

with something.

You see, after touring this site and subsequently joining, I

realized that the Final Fantasy Tactics page has a great deal of pages

that are simply gone or missing(or never there)and i would like to rectify

that. If you or anyone else could help me with this i would be greatly apreciative

thank you for your time

sincerly--Drkelflord 19:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

SEIWA
Congrats! This wiki is now an official member of SEIWA! If you're not the admin, let them know for me, please? UxieLover1994 17:50, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Your Suggestion
Thanks so much for the idea! I like your format better and definitely plan on using it. YoshiSoy 21:34, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you, but I have a couple of questions. Thanks in advance. YoshiSoy 23:09, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What point of view should be used, second person or third person?
 * What's a cookie? I keep seeing it on the stub pages, but I don't know what it is.
 * I'm having some trouble uploading files right now. Do you have any idea what the cause is?

What happens is that I click the upload button, and the page acts like its working, but it doesn't upload or change pages, it's just caught in the transition period. And it's only with this one image I was trying to upload- I later uploaded a different image successfully, but then couldn't upload this image when I tried again. I even took a different screenshot and tried to upload it using that one, but with no success. YoshiSoy 00:04, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, I was finally able to upload it. YoshiSoy 00:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm new here
I was wondering if there were any ongoing projects that I could help with or something. I've contributed a bit already, but would appreciate some guidance.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this sort of thing.--Salnax 02:19, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Kid Icarus: Uprising
I've been working away at the Kid Icarus: Uprising guide, and noticed that it looked kind of bleh. Is there a good source of images for these kinds of games. Alternatively, do you know any good ways to take pictures of a handheld screen? Thanks again!--Salnax 23:02, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

This is the website I used to get a lot of AR cards for my personal playthrough. It's far from complete, but is by far the best source I've found.--Salnax 21:54, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Pokémon Taxonomy
I did two grammatical corrections, actually ("whose", not "who's"). :-P Just kidding. What I'm doing is important for the criticism that bigots from the USA "Christian Belt" said against Pokémons. Get real: all the websites like StrategyWiki are just for fun, and I'm enjoying what I'm doing. I'm far more active on Wikia, but there are too many Pokemon-Wikias, and ended up choosing StartegyWiki more or less by chance. If you don't like me, I'll leave the website and continue offline. --Abacos (talk) 16:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you an administrator? --Abacos (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Technically, he's the owner. Go add some details to a guide and we can ignore this conversation. :P -- 16:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, I'm just arrived, and already have disappointed the Owner! I foresee a not-too-long career here... XD Well, I just play old videogames from the Eighties and Nineties: is the name "retroplayer"? But I think I have something to say about those that no one said yet. My contributes will come soon, I'm getting tired of all the pop-ups of Wikia. --Abacos (talk) 18:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, my position is that there is a mistranslation in the Pokémon videogames: what they call "evolution" is just "growth" from young to adult, and what they call "species" are just "life stages". "Evolution" takes places from parents to children, not within the same individual. Also, less than 10% of them are supernatural creatures, the other ones being animals and plants (and artifacts) that can be easily classified according to Lynnaeus, who lived before Darwin and the Theory of Evolution. Therefore, I'm demostrating the bigots' criticism is pointless. A wise Irishman (I forgot the name) said: "People is not in pursuit of happiness: people just love to complain". ^_^ --Abacos (talk) 18:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps upon perturbation they gestate endogenously and the new cells quickly consume and mutate the host? -- 18:33, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, There's no strategy wiki about Ultima 5, the videogame I'm playing now. Can I start a wiki even though I'm a beginner? --Abacos (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, that is why we're here. I also worked on Ultima 7 - Serpent Isle even though i only played it once and i'm also fairly new here. Paco (talk) 14:36, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll let you set it up, Abacos. Click here: Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny, then click "Main game page" from the little boxes above the edit box to fill in a basic template.  Then start adding content! We will help after you get that far. -- 16:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

you are best
also your enemy/item sprite postings are best

thanks for best 76.105.194.160 08:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Golgo 13: Kamigami no Koukon/Cast
Typical casts are displayed either in order of appearance, by significance, or by grouping (protagonists/friends & misc/enemies). Your call, bro! -- 01:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Is this cast information actually useful when playing the game, or is it for the sake of completeness? Garrett (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It's not incredibly useful, it's really more there for completeness. I think I'll actually just fold it into the Getting Started page.   Pro  cyon  03:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Final Fantasy 1 white magic
Hi. Actually, my plan was to substitute the eight tables with a single one, thus saving space and condensing the data. Unfortunately, yesterday evening I had to stop halfway through, and I just saved what i did so far. I'll complete later today when I have time. Then, once it's finished, we will decide whether it's good enough or not. --Abacos (talk) 09:15, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with you. I abandoned the idea. --Abacos (talk) 14:26, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Video game titles
Yes, I agree with you: articles (the, a, an), conjunctions (e.g.: and, or, thus) and prepositions (e.g.: of, to, from, by, in, with) are not capitalized unless they are the first word of a title. And I understood Notmyhandle's point too: section headers, unlike video game titles, have to be written with just the first letter capitalized. If that's the standard here, I don't object, I just wanted to be sure. --Abacos (talk) 21:03, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Spell classification
I saw your edit of the spell classification in the Dragon Quest pages. I definitely like "exploration" instead of "travel", and also "exploration+combat" instead of "healing", but on the other hand I think that two categories only is an oversimplification. In particular, I disagree with merging debuff and attack spells in the same category.

With we agreed on five categories (although I initially proposed four only), and such categories can be applied to every role-playing video game, and allow not to have any exception or "miscellaneous" spell.

Actually, I'm searching for a standardization of the mechanics of role-playing video games. The five spell categories and the Character Class Triangle (see a few on my user page) are two examples of this. My philosophy is that once a general mechanics system of the RPVGs will be found, the player will be able to fully enjoy the story told by the video game without necessity to re-learn the mechanics at the beginning of every video game.

Said this, the same definitions of five categories can always be applied, even to RPVGs that have less (e.g. Mega Man Battle Network 1 lacks "Healing" and "Exploration", i.e. all the "chips" are battle "spells"), therefore giving a standard to the beginner. For example, if you clear Final Fantasy 2, then start Dragon Quest 1 for the first time, all the spells do have different names, but if the spell lists on the respective StrategiWiki pages use the same identical classification, then this is really helpful. --Abacos (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

P.S.: You probably realized that I always wrote "one target" small and "All targets" capitalized on purpose. By the way, it's ok to have them all capitalized.


 * By the way, are there some pictures by Akira Toriyama for the spells of Dragon Quest 4 too? I simply recycled those from Dragon Quest 3, since the two video games have the same spells (only one is different). --Abacos (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Having played a bunch of MMOs, I'm a big fan of buff/debuff being separate. Exploration/Travel is fine. However, I would be happier with separate columns for "Can be used during battle" and "Can be used outside of battle." Classifying the spells as types isn't that important.  Also, we can't redefine buff/debuff.  In the description for the spell it should just say something like, "A buff that applies a for ." For target, we can be more accurate and say "All allies", "One ally", "One enemy", or "All enemies" to be more specific. Non-combat travel spells aren't really applied to individuals; perhaps the target should be "Group", although "All allies" is, technically the same thing... Oh the joys of nuances. -- 20:00, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I understand your point. From now on, I'll leave in peace strategy guides that are already there. Anyway, I suppose I can continue working on the "stubs" that I edited (some Ultima's, The 7th Saga etc.), right? Since I saw that there are 4000 guides but only 500 are complete (just one out of eight!), I'd like to help completing stubs before starting new ones, if you agree. (In particular, I'd like to help completing Ultima 4 before starting Ultima 5) --Abacos (talk) 09:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Ultima 3&4
Just one detail about Ultima 3&4: I only played the NES versions, that are known to be slightly different from the original ones (some different items, text semplifications here and there, etc.). Anyway, I think a guide about a NES version is better than no guide at all, do you agree? --Abacos (talk) 14:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * By the way, I wrote most of the Ultima 5 walkthrough on codex.ultimaaiera.com. Would it be fair to copy and paste my sections from there? I want to avoid any risk of plagiarism, although I am the main author there. --Abacos (talk) 15:22, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Perfect! Thanks for the explanation. By the way, is it "copyleft" when someone left it on someone else's website? Just kidding! ^_^ --Abacos (talk) 10:58, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi ! Im onto it ! :)
Thanks for the message... I will try to break up my SMAC guide and incorporate it! I made a bit of a mess last time i added a link tho and didnt want to make more work for anyone. Also my guide is specificly for dealing with dangerous human and transcend AI opponents on aggressive AI setting, so its not about civ building and diplomacy! (Thats well covered elsewhere) I was a little wary of popping some of these more extreme tactics into the general guides. I dont want to mess up your existing info! I also like to try and break up the dry subject matter with the occasional minor gag, about green police states shooting litter bugs or what have you, I hope thats acceptable. I'll try to break it into bits that will fit the various catagories - Im thinking I should label any additions I make with a note pointing out these are tactics and ideas Ive developed for militant games to combat the specific dangers found therein and are not always needed on more civilized worlds! - Thanks for the help and patience... DARogers (talk) 05:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

DW3
What's your take on this? -- 17:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

DW3 enemy template
Yeah when I started the cleanup I was like "Wow this is ridiculous, I'll just do the overhaul and then continue to clean it up." But it is definitely worth the time to fix the template first before changing the page's parameters. Take a look at DW3enemy and let me know if there is anything else I should change. -- 17:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw the suggestion. I'm still thinking about it. Currently updating all the parameters; almost done. -- 04:25, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of the multiple table solution; it adds an extra row or two and the cells don't line up logically. Combining the remake (not remix) columns makes sense. If there an exception is discovered, it can just be added with parentheses). I think adding the Japanese details to the notes works best because this is unnecessary, additional info. -- 06:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Game engine question
I keep finding unmade categories for specific game engines while working on category red links and can't find any pre-existing examples of some finished engine pages. Do you know where any examples might be found? I feel like I've seen some before but on the other hand it could be a case of why is this a link at all. I'm at a real loss on what to do.

Keep up the great edits by the way. You are always such a productive member of the community and it is appreciated. --Zaiqukaj (talk) 22:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've got to agree that they are a useful thing to keep track of for people to find more games they may like. I'll look into researching what types of information are useful for our site objectives so in the least I can make a solid infobox for it. --Zaiqukaj (talk) 22:48, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Star Force version disambig/cats
Proc, Star Force has an alternate release, Mega Force, that you categorized. However, there was an Atari 2600 game that came out two years prior with the name Mega Force, which should take the page. How do we enable Mega Force to be categorized correctly as an alternate for Star Force in this situation? -- 15:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good catch NMH, that's an obscure one. I went ahead and moved the redirect from Mega Force to Mega Force (Arcade).  Simple enough, and it should suffice.  I'd just put a disambiguation link at the top of the Atari 2600 version article to refer people who are looking for the arcade game of the same name to Star Force.  Pro  cyon  15:56, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Portal FG nomination
Please review, here: Featured guides/Current requests. -- 07:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Revising LoZ: ALttP map
See this diff for the reason to update File:LoZLttP Dark World.jpg. -- 07:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked around, both names are accepted for that location, and since some areas are named after their respective dungeon, it seems like more trouble to modify the map and rename it at this time.  Pro cyon  03:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmk. Shouldn't the alternate names be on that page, at least? -- 16:50, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Unused Golgo enemy sprite
Proc, see File:Golgo 13 TSE enemy harpoon.gif. I don't see any description of an alternate diver enemy on the enemies page. Did you forget this one? Or is it an alternate image for the diver? -- 17:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Thank you
No problem, buddy! I hope to see you around here more often. Your guides are what keep us going strong. -- 05:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Blocked?! Man, you are bad at hiding your habits! I do mine when no ones around :P Congrats to you two! -- 15:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Japanese romanization
I hate to bring this topic up again, but I can't find any of our/community previous discussions on the subject. I was looking at Kyūkai Dōchūki and was wondering if we should use the Kyuukai Doochuuki (or Douchuuki) as the name to avoid using non ascii characters in the title. Do you remember what the conclusion was? Per-guide standardization? My preference is duplicate vowels and avoid inserting u's for lengthened o sounds. -- 05:24, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's hilarious, I saw that happening, and saw that it was NamcoRules, and simply decided that I didn't have the patience to deal with him right now. I completely agree with you, I'm in favor of a) making every guide name capable of being typed out by a standard keyboard and b) in the case of arcade games, agreeing with MAME's spelling (Kyuukai Douchuuki) since that is the most likely spelling to be Googled.  NR is going to make the argument that he's following Wikipedia's spelling.  I know we've gone over that discussion before, but I too can't find it at the moment.  I'll initiate the conversation on NR's page, feel free to back me up.   Pro  cyon  15:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)


 * See his page for a follow up question. -- 07:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Bots
I had previously created to use AutoWikiBrowser (AWB). I've lost the login so I'll see if I can recover it. Other than getting a new bot account, should I continue to use AWB? I don't think I figured it out last time I tried to use it. -- 04:35, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Ultima 5 guide
Hi. I just cleared Ultima 5 and got to the end of the walkthrough. Can you give me some suggestion to bring the guide firmly to Completion Stage 3? I created the guide and am the main contributor, but right now I think I need some feedback --Abacos (talk) 11:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Striking a balance
Thanks for the explanation, I'll keep in mind from now on. I thought that the class triangles were a good summary and introduction, but looking back you're right: they're something I made after playing a number of RPVGs. --Abacos (talk) 11:37, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * About tables editing: yes, I'm always converging towards a format that can display as much information as possible in the smallest possible space. All the Final Fantasy 1 tables I made so far are final version now. That format is the same I'm using on other pages, with minor changes to fit different video games:


 * In my sandbox I also have two 100% complete tables for magic in Final Fantasy 1, but I'm not sure I'll ever move them out of there: they're extremely condensed and useful just for advanced players like me (see? I'm learning something from your observations :-) Thanks again). Moreover, the two magic tables have no room for all those cute sprites :-P Still, it would be a pity to delete them, after all the time spent writing them. --Abacos (talk) 12:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Something looking off
I'm not sure what is wrong but the popular guides listing on the Education catagory looks broken and like it is possibly listing unrelated things. I don't know what's going on but thought it needed a second set of eyes to look it over. --Zaiqukaj (talk) 06:43, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Getting Started standard naming versus sentence case
I don't mean to bring up stuff that creates work, but... Isn't it hypocritical of us to force sentence case on titles when we use "Getting Started" on every guide? We have two options: 1) be hypocritical (I'm okay with that) because we don't want to do the work to fully standardize, or 2) update our preload button for the ToC and run a bot to rename all of the pages... Thoughts? -- 21:51, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol, I brought up the same argument several years ago, but I was overruled. Check out this discussion.  At this point, I think it's more of a headache to change it than it's worth, and that as undesirable as being hypocritical is, it's so low on the priority scale, that I'm willing to let the matter go.  Then again, if you think you could convince Prod, you'd have my support.   Pro  cyon  02:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Lmao! I forgot that I got angry with you towards the end of that discussion :D  Pro  cyon  02:54, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, NMH created the first capitalized Getting Started page. If only someone would have corrected it back then... We probably should change it, but Getting Started, Walkthrough, and Appendices (our three main headings) are all title case! -- Prod (talk) 03:35, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Salnax nomination
Please see Requests for permissions/Salnax. -- 17:25, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Kickle Cubicle original title
Hi Procyon.


 * 迷宮 島 = Meikyuu Shima = Labyrinth Islands (Kickle Cubicle)
 * 迷宮 神話 = Meikyuu Shinwa = Labyrinth Myth (Eggerland 2)

I admit my knowledge of Japanese is just basic, but I compared the kanji from different titles, as shown above, and checked using an online translator. I understood that "Meikyuu" can be equally translated as "labyrinth", "puzzle" and "mystery", while "shima" is both singular and plural. I chose "labyrinth" because of the similarity with the title of a more famous Eggerland game, from the series that Kickle Cubicle has many elements in common with. What's your opinion? --Abacos (talk) 11:38, 17 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Labyrinth seems like a reference to the gameplay/tiled paths, but does mystery make sense in terms of the plot or setting? -- 15:34, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Edittools update
Please see Paco's post at MediaWiki_talk:Edittools. -- 17:08, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Deep Dungeon III: Yuushi he no Tabi romanization
Hi Proc, I hope you have time for this nuance. If ディープダンジョンIII 勇士への旅 literally translates as "Deep Dungeon III: The Journey to the Hero" why not use that as the title rather than the romanization? Also, if sticking with the romanization, why capitalize Yuushi (warrior/hero) and Tabi (journey)? Neither are proper nouns. -- 23:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi NMH, no problem, thanks for bringing this up. To answer the first question, I'm using the romanization because that's the name that the game was actually published as.  Since no actual game with the title "Deep Dungeon III: The Journey to the Hero" was ever published, it wouldn't be proper to title the article with that name.  That applies to any game that was only released in Japan, and nowhere else.  As for the capitalization, just as you didn't capitalize "to" and "the" in the English title, people don't capitalize "he" and "no" in Japanese.  Basically, I took the title exactly as it was provided on the wp:Deep Dungeon page.  However, I'm seeing more evidence that I should concatenate "he" and "no" into one word.  Pro  cyon  03:45, 28 December 2012 (UTC)