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Misaligned Text in a Paragraph
For some reason, when I tryed to type a paragraph in an article some of the text was disconnected. Here's an example: (look at the bottom of the page in this link)- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/Enemies

How can I connect the text together? --'''|Superpowered  Mario ''' (Talk|contribs)Superpowered Mario 12:58, 4 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Don't put line breaks in the middle of your sentences. -- Prod (Talk) 13:03, 4 June 2008 (CDT)

Quickrow?
Hey all-

I am currently working on the FFTA guide, and I got done 2+ pages. Now I'm working on one major part of the guide, which is the shop at that moment in the game. I remember people using "quickrows" to make massive tables that have the same information in each table into 1 tables that each other table can call off of.

For example, here I want the item list down at the bottom to be dynamic, so that I only have to type in the information for the item once, and be done with it. Like I will have to put the same information for "Shortsword" on every page. If there is/was a quickrow function, I could type something in like, and the quickrow function would pop up instead of the normal massive template.

Anybody?

angel14995 13:01, 16 June 2008 (CDT)


 * Nevermind. After some consideration about the formatting, the Quickrow option won't be necessary.
 * I'm planning on doing massive cleanup of how the layout of the mission pages works. I'll probably have a prototype up soon, so if you could follow that once it is up, that would be awesome! :) -- 16:00, 21 June 2008 (CDT)

OOT Screenshots
I know this is the second time I've asked, but all I want to know is if there will be any new screenshots added to Ocarina of Time any time soon.

If someone wants to do something about this (Echelon replied in my last request), like upload a few more screenshots for the dungeons, I'd appreciate it, because at the moment, I'm not in the position to do anything about it. .--|Superpowered  Mario  (Talk|contribs) 17:14, 18 June 2008 (CDT)


 * As far as I know, there a no current plans by any member. My recommendation to you would be to learn how to use Project 64 or the 1964 emulators.  Once you know how to use them, taking screenshots will be easy. Procyon (Talk) 21:24, 18 June 2008 (CDT)

Staff lounge -> abxy forums?
Is there any particular reason the Staff Lounge hasn't been moved to the abxy forums?--Pelago 16:46, 21 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Staff lounge is for asking for wiki help, which may require wiki markup, which can't be done on a forum. Also much easier to link to stuff here. -- Prod (Talk) 17:04, 21 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Makes sense. Quite a lot of the topics here (e.g. "Separating Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS") look more like forum/policy-type questions than wiki/markup-type questions, which was why I asked. Maybe "staff lounge" should be renamed to make its purpose clearer. --Pelago 12:05, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Technically, Staff lounge is for asking questions, and the community issues on the forum is for discussion -- 12:39, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * I think what I must have been thinking was that Community Issues was for discussions raised by users (with staff also contributing), and Staff Lounge was for staff members (only) to talk to each other. Kind of like open-source software like MythTV which has a -users mailing list for support-type queries, and a -dev mailing list just for the developers to talk to each other. Obviously that was a mistake, but I wonder if other people don't realise that Staff Lounge is open to non-staff... --Pelago 17:05, 23 June 2008 (CDT)

Sidebars
Does anyone know why the sidebar I've tried to add at WarioWare:_Touched%21/Ashley doesn't actually appear on the right-hand side of the screen? --Pelago 17:28, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Fixed. The width parameter must be specified with a unit (i.e. pixels or percentage).  -- 18:15, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Thanks, I was missing the 'px' units. I see that the explanation at Template:Sidebar is correct, but I was following the explanation at Guide/Sidebars which says "width=width (pixels)", which looked to me like it meant to just put a number. Maybe the latter needs to be clarified.--Pelago 16:57, 23 June 2008 (CDT)

Bold and apostrophes
I'm trying to render "Ashley's" without the apostrophe being bold. Any ideas? This is so that I can highlight the word Ashley as the first word in the first para on WarioWare: Touched!/Ashley. By the way, I realise that emboldening the article title in the first para is more of a Wikipedia thing and is not mentioned in the style guide here, but I think it happens to look good! --Pelago 17:28, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * You could try emboldening it using the HTML-style "b" element: Ashley's ( Ashley's ). --DrBob (talk) 17:55, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Another alternative is to wrap the apostrophe in nowiki tags ( = Ashley ' s) which achieves the same effect but is uglier for editing. GarrettTalk 18:51, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Thanks, I'll use the  tags, I suppose, although I prefer the ''' style normally. --Pelago 17:00, 23 June 2008 (CDT)

Wii error and template.
I have to things I need help on. Or three maybe, I'll start with the first. The first thing is that Resident Evil 0 is not part of the Wii games list at all and since I'm unable to delete it, I just wish someone will deal with that silly error. The second thing since the Wii wheel came out, I would ask if they can develop like an image template to it so that it will be easier to put in. The last thing is similar to the second thing but it has to do with the Wii zapper and the games that goes along with it. To tell the truth, I have no experience developing a new page of games that uses that style of control. Compare to wikipedia, this one is slightly harder to do. I don't know anyone who knows how to make great button template design so I'm hoping I'll get to chat to someone. If I miss the reply, put it on my talk page so I'll have less difficulty finding the staff lounge section again. Johnnyauau2000 22:16, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * I've removed the Wii data from Resident Evil Zero. The category remained even after being removed because sys automatically applies one; categories added by templates are not shown in the text edit area. As for the Wii Wheel, I've taken a stab at it...   ...hopefully these look something like it. :) I've only done these three, let me know if it uses other motions. As for the Zapper, instructions could be along the lines of "aim with the  held like a TV remote (or held like a gun if in the Zapper), and push  to shoot"; readers will have a sufficient understanding of how a gun and TV remote are aimed. A basic image of the Zapper might help here and there, but depicting the actual aiming might make things even more confusing. GarrettTalk 23:07, 22 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Undone, see WP:Resident Evil Zero. -- Prod (Talk) 23:28, 22 June 2008 (CDT)

Thanks. I've now added to it. As for the zapper, I just presume that the readers are new so I have no idea what the logic is. Anyway, I suppose Garrett is now doing the images and I'm inexperienced on that. I suppose the images on N64 and Xbox is fine but I do have difficulty reading it to tell the truth. The colours are too close to each other and the N64 and GC control stick is too identical. No offence but can you read that part? I hope there is an update version of those images so please, I'm trying to keep my cool here, maybe replace the buttons or not and maybe lighten the GC control stick to make it easier to tell apart. I hope this is enough of a challenge but I don't have a job at this time. Johnnyauau2000 23:54, 23 June 2008 (CDT)
 * The control sticks aren't really much of an issue, because a control stick is a control stick, they're the exact same on both platforms and there's no real need to tell them apart. As for the images, unfortunately most of our other systems don't even have images, so this will probably be a lower priority for most people.  Also remember, this site is made up of the community users (like yourself), so people will only work on what interests them.  -- Prod (Talk) 01:18, 24 June 2008 (CDT)

OK. Well if there's anymore Wii special accessories, I hope he's ready to create those templates. Good work on the Wii Wheel. The Wii Zapper should be easy. All you have to do is match the image to the trigger button on the Wii Zapper. I appreciate it. Johnnyauau2000 01:27, 24 June 2008 (CDT) One last thing. This might sound silly but everyone wants some fun. I believe if the motion controls are really good, it will be a good idea of seeing the Wii Remote "shaking" or Nunchuk with arrows, I call it endless possibilities. But to put it all in one image is really all you need so like moving the wii remote up or down or side to side should be simple. I'd appreciate it to give it more of an edge because it does help. Garrett should be given a medal for an endless possibilities of creating lots of images. It may take a lot of time but if you're calm, relax you'll get through it. Johnnyauau2000 07:08, 25 June 2008 (CDT)

Template requests
Some games (Team Fortress 2) are updated frenquently which often requires major rewrites of large amount of information. As such, I'd like to request 2 new templates:

Update pending A template to mark that a game is about to receive a major update. Again, I really only want this for TF2 (got at least 7 major updates left to go), but I'm sure it can be applied to other games as well.

Updated frequently This one is not really needed as much as the first one, but it'd be nice to have still. Would be used to mark games that are updated frequently, again, like TF2.

Oh, and an adaption of the counter strike map infobox template for TF2 would be nice too. It only needs Type and Developer fields.

Thanks! Kadir 02:31, 25 June 2008 (CDT)
 * hmm. I didn't realise the scale of your proposal. It might be best if you actually brought it up in the forum, where it would get a wider audience. I'll work on that TF2 map template. --DrBob (talk) 17:49, 27 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Aye, those are some big additions/changes. -- 18:34, 28 June 2008 (CDT)

''The discussion is now taking place here, so please leave comments, etc. there instead of on this page. Thank you.'' -- 19:31, 28 June 2008 (CDT)

Placing a non-framed image within the caption of a framed image
This is a tricky one. Each 'microgame' in the WarioWare: Touched! walkthrough has an image to the left with a caption. The caption is a copy of the brief onscreen text that appears in the game to give you a hint as to what to do. Some games ask you to blow into the microphone, and have a mouth icon as part of the text. I have attempted to add that mouth icon to the text as in WarioWare:_Touched!/9-Volt_%26_18-Volt but unfortunately the mouth icon gains a frame, which I don't really want. The Image tag for the mouth doesn't contain a 'frame' parameter, but it seems to be inheriting the frame border from the parent image. Any ideas? Maybe we need an explicit 'noframe' option? --Pelago 17:05, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
 * The way around this is to paste the full image URL, which is automatically turned into an image. I've fixed the one you linked to so you can see how it works. GarrettTalk 17:24, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
 * I'm not sure if this justifies a template, but I'm thinking about it. -- 19:03, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
 * This bug has been fixed in the latest version of MediaWiki, so a template won't be needed. -- 20:42, 4 July 2008 (CDT)
 * I thought I would look into this again since the Aug 31 upgrade to MediaWiki 1.13. Looking at the revision of the page (http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=WarioWare:_Touched!/9-Volt_%26_18-Volt&oldid=286744#Donkey_Kong_3) with the nicer source code, the mouth icon still has the unwanted frame, so it doesn't seem that MediaWiki 1.13 fixes this. For the time being, the workaround with the full image URL is ok, just not an elegant solution. --Pelago 22:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless there's a way to remove the border with CSS, I don't think we can remedy this without using the actual URLs (which I don't see as a problem). -- 22:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Using the full URLs isn't elegant if you ever want to rename the site, or change the directory structure within the site, or if anyone wants to copy the content to another wiki.--Pelago 20:47, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyone who cares about the guide will update it as needed. Also, there's only like 3 uses of the blow image anyways; were you planning on adding many more? -- 21:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Aliens versus Predator (PC)
Please restore this. The deletion edit summary is false as this is not the same as the SNES game that was moved to Aliens versus Predator. Here's what was written in the PC guide. Vikrant AP 15:28, 5 July 2008 (CDT)
 * SNES version is at Alien vs Predator, Arcade version is at Alien vs. Predator, PC version is at Aliens versus Predator. Everything is where it should be. -- Prod (Talk) 16:52, 5 July 2008 (CDT)
 * But why are the brackets removed. Vikrant AP 23:25, 6 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Our policy is that a game must always go by its proper name unless another game has taken it. -- Prod (Talk) 00:37, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

All requested guides done
What next? archive their list? Vikrant AP 01:31, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
 * I would think that it should only be moved to a new section once it reaches at least cs2, to show that it was completed. I don't think archival is necessary, and anything older than 6 months should simply be removed. -- Prod (Talk) 01:38, 7 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Maybe we should split the page into completion stages for requested guides? -- 15:50, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

Guitar Hero 3
This article has a great potential and could be worth it. Still I'm not good enough to even make a guitar template. It will be an interesting concept that would give it more value so a guitar template is worth it but it will cost time. So if there are anyone willing to help me with Guitar Hero 3 than I'm completely satisfied. Why? I'm always trying to find new things to do and find a spot where my skills are at its best. I know its editors paradise but there's nothing wrong about improving the article in a better way. So take your time and if you're ready to help than I will be thankful. Johnnyauau2000 06:35, 17 July 2008 (CDT)
 * What sort of guitar template? What do you want it to do? -- 17:03, 17 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Well, if you're not familiar with it, I suggest you to get the game with the guitar, try out the guitar and find someone to make an image template or if it's too much, a picture of an electronic wireless guitar with labels there so it will appeal to newcomers who wants to know what that symbol does. I'm a little excited about it so if you can, make an image template on the electronic guitar buttons of use a picture of the electronic wireless guitar with labels is good enough. It will cost time but an image expert would be able to do it with ease. Johnnyauau2000 21:36, 17 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Yeah I've beaten Guitar Hero 2 on expert. So you just want a button template like gc and xbox? -- 00:13, 18 July 2008 (CDT)
 * That's exactly right. That's what I'm talking about. My best estimate that it will take a week to make a button template like gamecube and xbox. By the way, what console do you own? I own the Nintendo Wii and my little brother has the Playstation 2. Johnnyauau2000 08:48, 18 July 2008 (CDT)
 * The template wouldn't take long to make (just copy the code from one of the others) - the images are what take a long time to make. Right now I have a GameCube, a PS2, a PS without cables, a Dreamcast, an N64, a SNES, and a Sega Genesis. I have guitar hero 1 in my possession, but no guitar. -- 14:18, 18 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Great! Put it on my talk page if it's ready. I'll continue to expand the areas around Guitar Hero 3 and maybe revise the predecessors and add more depth so they're not just looking at an ordinary article. I'll still use it as my training ground so please help me improve the article. Johnnyauau2000 04:38, 19 July 2008 (CDT)
 * One more thing, don't forget to have an image of the whole guitar or else it will be harder for me to explain how to use the star power. Don't forget that. Johnnyauau2000 10:40, 19 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Sometimes words do a better job than images. Star power would be one of those cases. Since we like to limit the size of inline images to be 24 pixels tall so the text doesn't look weird, there simply wouldn't be enough space to show how to use star power in an image. Describing it in words would probably be better. -- 10:58, 19 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Ok. I'll do that instead. If you have anymore advice, let me know. Johnnyauau2000 23:38, 19 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Remember that you can use Star Power with the select button, however I think a large image of a guitar being tilted would be fitting for the getting started page. I'm driving 1300 miles across the country starting Monday, so I won't be able to help with this until next weekend.  Btw, the template is guitar. -- 03:15, 20 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Ok. In the meantime, if Prod is available, he can help me provide more background info for the main part of the article because as political correction goes, no one want to know what Guitar Hero 3 is about. They have to go the pages to see how it works. In reality, that practice could be the reason why they want no one to read it but that's just me. If anyone else wants to get involved than don't hesitate to help. Johnnyauau2000 04:23, 21 July 2008 (CDT)

Undoing bad edits
A recent edit to Master_of_Orion_II by an Anon is nonsense - the proposed strategy involves waiting for a very late game tech, and a half-competent opponent won't let the game get that far; and there are other defects. On Wikipedia I'd undo the edit and explain why on the article's Talk page, but articles here don't have Talk pages. So what's the etiquette for this type of situation? -- Philcha 08:41, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Discussion link in the toolbox is the talk page. You can use either the one for the specific page, or the talk page for the main guide.  -- Prod (Talk) 11:07, 27 July 2008 (CDT)
 * So yes, we do have talk pages and yes, use the same etiquette as Wikipedia. -- 14:20, 27 July 2008 (CDT)

Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest
I've been thinking for a long time now. I did a hell of a lot of editing at button templates in the last few months. Anyone should reconsider helping to make more of a reason why they need this guide. But if you don't feel like dealing with the issue, there's still an alternative that still works well for me which saves a lot of time and effort. I usually presume you don't wanna change anything but if you do, get on my talk page and I'll get started on that. Johnnyauau2000 08:46, 29 August 2008 (CDT)
 * Please post your idea as a new thread on the forums. -- 09:11, 29 August 2008 (CDT)

Freshly-Picked_Tingle_Rosy_Rupeeland walkthrough
it says on the walkthrough to register/log in .... i have done this but i still can noy get the walk through for fairy garden and i think it is asoros the last one   i got the walkthrough for the rest apart from the last two and we can not go any further so i thought if i registered /logged in i would get it but nothing can you help me please thanks
 * If you go to the main page of the guide, Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, you'll notice the small icon in the top left of the header nav (it looks like a small grid, with two of the four boxes colored purple). This symbol means that the guide is only in completion stage 2 (completion stages are decided upon by the people who write and review the content in the guides; people like you). If the completion stage is actually correct (since anyone can change it, you can't completely rely on the icon unless it's a star) then it means the guide is incomplete, and still needs a lot of work. The links for the last two chapters in the walkthrough, numbers 10 and 11, are both red; this means that they don't even exist yet. I'm sorry, but no one has added walkthrough information for those sections of the game yet. If you figure it out on your own, please help StrategyWiki by adding what you know! I'm sorry, and I hope you help review and contribute to the Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland guide (also, you might want to work on your grammar as it's difficult to understand what you write). -- 21:52, 29 August 2008 (CDT)

Bottom of the Well Guide?
There isn't a specific guide that goes on past the Lens of Truth in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Notmyhandle has done some work, but I'm wondering if someone else is planning on working on it. --|Superpowered  Mario  22:06, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'll get there in time. -- 06:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I would if I could, but I've only been doing makeshift edits, plus the fact that I never have decided to (and probably never will) venture the well that much.--|Superpowered  Mario  20:33, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem, the area is fairly easy anyways so I think anyone who has gotten this far already won't need much help (but we'll cover it anyways). -- 21:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Wii and Guitar Button Template Touches.
I've been also thinking about finishing updating images to complete it. Ever since the Wii Wheel, Wii Zapper and Wii Fits accessories (don't know that name), I expect someone to at least match up the images to it. Not much really but just need to match up the B button on Wii Wheel and Wii Zapper and having simple signs on the Wii Fit game. The Guitar Template on the other hand is empty. It's impossible to think that all the buttons on are there when it's not. Well if anyone's up besides me with no experience on images can do this part then I will be grateful. I presume they're not going to do it but it won't hurt to give it a try. Lastly I believe it will take a month to make those images but that's my best estimate. Johnnyauau2000 13:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

New Template
I've created a new template (The Sims 2 object) for objects in The Sims 2 and I need someone to go over and check that I've done everything right. I'd like to start adding this template to the obejct pages that exist but there might be some problems with the template so if someone could first go over it and then get back to me so that I can start adding the template or if someone else can help adding it then that would be much appreciated.Sims2Guy 07:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks OK to me. :-) --DrBob (talk) 11:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, I've started to add the template for pages that have object profiles and it would be a great help if some people started to add it as well. This is a list of all pages that need the template added.

Pages that have been done have a strike through them. If some people start to help, that will be much appreciated.Sims2Guy 00:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Dining Chairs
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Living Chairs
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Recliners
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Sofas and Loveseats
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Comfort/Beds
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Decorative/Sculptures
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Decorative/Wall Hangings
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Decorative/Miscellaneous
 * The Sims 2/Buy Mode/Hobbies/Creativity
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Comfort
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Surfaces
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Decorative
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Plumbing
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Electronics
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Lighting
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Hobbies
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Miscellaneous
 * The Sims 2: Nightlife/Other
 * The Sims 2: Open for Business/Decoration
 * The Sims 2: Open for Business/Hobbies
 * The Sims 2: Open for Business/Other
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Comfort
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Surfaces
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Decorative
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Appliances
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Electronics
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Lighting
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Hobbies
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Miscellaneous
 * The Sims 2: FreeTime/Other

Newbi make booboo
I made a Template:NGP while I didn't know what I was doing, and I'm hoping someone will take a look at it. Plus I didn't categorize the following images and don't know how to fix that. (they should be categorized as Fighter Portraits). --Blue Phoenix 16:11, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Haohmaru.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Iori.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Kyo.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Leona.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Mai.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Nakoruru.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Ryo.png‎
 * Image:Portrait SVCMM Terry.png‎


 * As long as it works, what's the problem? Have you tested it? I added the switch statement to help. Also take a look at the changes I've made to your post to make it more compact and display correctly.-- 00:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note, the categorization requested here has been completed. -- 08:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The Godfather content.
I hate to say this but I have no experience adding extra pages to this game. What I want to do is really two things ... if any of you own a Wii, you know what I expect. I'm sure you know already about the corrupt cop hit that is an addition to this game. Maybe you can improvise on that. Also this game can't do without some sort of strategy for going into all four compounds. The simple deal is how about setting up the pages and I'll do the rest since my strength sometimes work there. If you have spare time, I hope you can reshape all the control areas and also add the PC version if you have the chance. I just wish I know how to do that but that's just me. Help me as soon as you can. Johnnyauau2000 08:04, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * By "adding extra pages to this game", do you really mean "adding pages to the table of contents"? To "add" a page to a game, all you do is create it (i.e. either type the page name in the address bar of your browser, OR make a red link, like New page, and then click on the red link and create the new page). To add a page to the table of contents, all you do is add a link to the page on the table of contents page (you can access this page from the link in the header nav of every page, or again, just append "/Table of Contents" to the end of your URL when viewing the main page of a guide). What do you mean "reshape all the control areas"; change the controls page? -- 08:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

The truth is it's getting much harder to understand such simple tasks like shooting a gun and doing hand to hand combat. That's how I see the page today. As for adding pages to the table of contents, I could get totally lost doing this. What I mean is if I did a new page but I keep forgetting what the pages are for than I'm lost. If you understand what I mean than I hope my point is clear. Johnnyauau2000 09:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)