Talk:The Sims 2: Nightlife

Too Much Info
Is the information beneath the table of contents actually needed for this page? It's already covered on other pages isn't it?Sims2Guy 22:35, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * That's what the subpage tag is for at the top. Once the info is moved to another page, remove it from here.  If you move the info to another page, be sure to mention where you got the info in your edit summary. -- Prod (Talk) 22:55, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * So I can get rid of the info at the bottom. Most of the info in there has already been covered in the subpages and if it hasn't, it will when this section of the guide has been completed.Sims2Guy 23:14, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Go for it. -- Prod (Talk) 23:18, 5 October 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I've got rid of the information and summarised it. Does the tag at the top go away by itself or does it have to be removed maunually?Sims2Guy 23:31, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * They need to be removed manually; you can remove both if you want. -- 06:26, 6 October 2007 (CDT)

Completion Stage
When it says 'Guides at Completion Stage 1', is it counting it for the whole game or just the expansion pack?Sims2Guy 20:16, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Just the expansion pack walkthrough. However, with a game like The Sims which has no "walkthrough", you need a lot of the basic info pages completed for this to get to cs 4. -- Prod (Talk) 21:44, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay. So what stage would this guide be up to when I complete the New Objects page?Sims2Guy 00:30, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Whatever you think is right. 2 means Maturing; 3 means Fairly thorough.  -- Prod (Talk) 09:20, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * In that case I'd give it a 2 or maybe a 3 as this guide is nearing completion. But I'd like another opinion on what stage this guide should be marked as up to.Sims2Guy 03:55, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * The num category is highly subjective, so put whatever you feel like. If someone disagrees, they can change it themselves. The num is mainly for the "walkthrough" sections, so if most of the info about how to play the game is there, 3 should be fine. Completely up to you. -- Prod (Talk) 14:16, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

Right, thanks, I've put it at CS2. When I've completed the New Objects page, I'll change it to 3. When I've added enough images, I'll put it at 4.Sims2Guy 01:31, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

Walkthrough and Getting Started
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to put in these sections.Sims2Guy 19:28, 19 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Off the top of my head, a little guide around how to get started playing would seem to fit well. Something about the interface and general game mechanics and objectives. -- 20:07, 19 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Okay I've done the getting started page. I'd like someone to check it and tell me whether it's suitable. I'd also like ideas as to what to put in the walkthrough section. Can someone give me any ideas.Sims2Guy 02:11, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 * It looks good. For the walkthrough section, I'd suggest a simple walkthrough on how to build a house, set up sims and play the game for a little while; just something to help people get the hang of it. --DrBob (talk) 06:09, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 * The other alternative is just a "cover page" with an image from the game and a few links to where the user would begin with the new stuff in the game. -- Prod (Talk) 10:04, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Building a house and setting up sims has been done since The Sims 2 so I don't think that's an idea for an expansion pack walkthrough. As for the new stuff. What would be the difference between that and the getting started section.Sims2Guy 19:03, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Only the Walkthrough page is mandatory. You can probably move /Getting Started to /Walkthrough and point the Continue Nav to a better place.  Getting Started is for people who have never played the game before (usually controls and gameplay mechanics go under there).  Since this is an expansion, the Getting Started link is only really useful for the standard game. -- Prod (Talk) 20:15, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

Completion Stage 4
This guide is almost ready to be placed in completion stage 4. However a few things need to happen first. For the walkthrough I have a few ideas. I hope to get some feedback for my ideas.Sims2Guy 03:47, 20 February 2008 (CST)
 * 1) Each subpage needs a footer nav
 * 2) The windows part of the systems requirements should be edited
 * 3) A walkthrough is needed.
 * Turn it into a redirect page to The Sims 2 Walkthrough
 * Pick a specific goal in the expansion pack and have a step-by-step process on how to acheive it.
 * Turn it into a summary page for all the pages in this guide.
 * Get rid of links to the walkthrough altogether.
 * I'll help with #1. What is the minimum windows version required to play this game?  I've never played the game so I'm not sure what you should do (however I've played the sims before so I know how it works).  For now, you should just continue to add guide info (such as your idea for the second bullet) and when everything has been taken care of then we can start worrying about organization.  Most of the time things fall into place as they're created (at least with content).  -- 04:25, 20 February 2008 (CST)
 * For #3, if there's nothing more to add, I'd suggest moving The Sims 2: Nightlife/Getting Started to The Sims 2: Nightlife/Walkthrough. -- Prod (Talk) 20:40, 20 February 2008 (CST)
 * When you add footer navs, can I ask that you make them link to the previous and next pages on the list. Readers already have links to the main page in the header nav. Now I think you misuderstood me with 2. For the other expansion packs, the syntax is different for the windows requirements. If it could be done here, it would help the guides keep a level of consistency. I think that the walkthrough could become getting started. Unless there's a way to remove the link from the header without removing the TOC link. If there was a way, I'd probably do it. I know you can change the links on the Continue Nav. Finally, if we get rid of the links on that nav, what page should we point the link to?Sims2Guy 02:07, 21 February 2008 (CST)
 * Walkthrough is a required page and you cannot change it. Getting Started on the other hand is only a suggested page. What you have right now for the Getting Started on those page looks fine for a walkthrough (here's how to do the new stuff in the games).  And you can point the GS link on the CN anywhere you want.  The "New Objects" pages being the only other main heading, I'd recommend that. -- Prod (Talk) 20:28, 21 February 2008 (CST)
 * Ok, I've moved the page to the walkthrough. All that needs to be done now is to remove the links to getting started, add footer navs to the objects section and images to the walkthrough and then the guides done. I'll try to do it over the next few days.Sims2Guy 23:55, 21 February 2008 (CST)
 * I removed the hierarchy names for the objects - this is unnecessary in a guide like this. -- 03:39, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Ok, I've chaged the completion stage. The guide for The Sims 2: Nightlife is finally complete. And in time for FreeTime to come out. In the mean time I'd like some suggestions for what I should do for the guides until the game comes out.Sims2Guy 19:42, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 * Double check to make sure all new features have been listed (all objects, etc.). If there are any new objectives that can be met, please add strategy information on how to successfully achieve them.  -- 22:09, 22 February 2008 (CST)