StrategyWiki:Staff lounge/2007/June

Pokédex Update
Someone needs to update the Pokédex with the new Pokémon from Diamond/Pearl. Examples are Lucario, Riolu, Dialga, Palkia, the starters, and several others. Could someone please do this? Sincerely, Myth 11:47, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Sigh, 107 more images to upload, I'll do it but it'll take a bit of time, can someone fill in the rest of the table and I'll get the pics?--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 11:54, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Can you also make sure to get the right no.s, Dialga is no.483.-Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 11:57, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

I didn't really mean to make Dialga number 487, and I thought I deleted it? That's odd. Oh, I got a message. Gotta run. Myth 12:11, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Pokémon Artwork
Can someone upload the artwork of Shaymin and Arceus, bulbapedia only has the sprites and I've got no idea where to get them?--Rocky (Talk - Contributions) 04:14, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Shaymin and Arceus don't yet have Sugimori artwork yet, only sprites are available for now. Lunar Knight (Talk to me + Contribs) 15:30, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

What Happened?
What happened to the website? First it was encountering problems, now its format is crazy and little works. What gives? Sincerly, Myth 01:14, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I think thttpd was down, sadly only echelon, dan and DrBob can fix it. :(--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 02:28, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * We don't have a very good server because ABXY isn't generating tons of cash; if you donate you can help better their services and help SW became more stable. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 15:01, 3 June 2007 (CDT)


 * It's running now. It took a few hours. But you're right about the bad server. This is the second time I've been here when something went whack. Myth 23:20, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

help
i just got the godfather on pc and i'm stuck on sleeping with the fishes everytime i get to the safehouse i can't get out of the car. plsssss help
 * Unfortunately, I don't have the game, so all I can suggest is that you ask on the specific talk page for the game (found here, just start the page). Good Luck! -- Prod (Talk) 22:35, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I've answered your question there, at least as far as I can (I don't have it either). GarrettTalk 06:16, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Fixing the AGN to HN
Is it possible to have the software do it itself by having the code on the AGN page (in includeonly) to subst a page that says, would this transfer all the AGNs to HNs?--Rocky  (Talk - Contributions) 12:07, 4 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The text can only be changed when the "Save" button is clicked unfortunately. -- Prod (Talk) 12:15, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Image redirects
Is there a problem with image redirects, I'm thinking with the button templates to make them a bit easier.--Rocky (Talk - Contributions) 15:08, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Image redirects don't show the image, only a link to the redirect page. You'll have to upload the images again under a different name in order for it to work inline. --SkizzerzTalk - Contribs 15:16, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm going to implement a fix to allow both upper and lowercase variations to work. --SkizzerzTalk - Contribs 15:24, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok, =,  =. --SkizzerzTalk - Contribs 15:44, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks ry :).--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 16:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * After I did the basic fixes I realized that those with multiple uppercases wouldn't work, so I had to add in a switch. Now, even works as planned . --SkizzerzTalk - Contribs 17:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Illegal?
Is it considered illegal to copy images from a site and put them here? --Myth 12:04, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Only if those images are expressly copyrighted by the site that you are taking them from. In other words, if they are works of art created expressly for the purpose of a particular site.  Screenshots and sprites from games generally fall under fair use.  No site can rightfully claim ownership of another company's game's screenshots or artwork.  And as long as you're not using said screenshots or artwork to make money (which you're not), you have every right to use them.  How else do you think we ended up with so many screenshots and sprites on our site?  If it were illegal, someone would have shut us down (and wikipedia for that matter) a long time ago.  So as long as you're not taking something like, I dunno, the IGN logo because maybe IGN are your initials and you like the way the logo looks, or someone's creative property that they have expressly stated that no one has permission to reproduce the artwork (like someone's own fan art of a video game character), you're perfectly fine with taking other images from sites as long as you know they aren't the owners of that image.  One word of caution however, avoid images that are watermarked (i.e. they have a little transparent logo slaped over the image somewhere like the bottom right corner or something.) Procyon (Talk) 12:23, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry, while we're on the subject, is it illegal to use screenshots from the E3 movie (On the left of the linked page, I can't link to it)of Super smash bros brawl, at the bottom of the website's page it says it's illegal but can we claim screenshots under fair use.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 12:38, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * "in connection with any product or service that is not Nintendo's, in any manner that is likely to cause confusion among customers, in any manner that disparages or discredits Nintendo, or in any manner that is otherwise exploitative for any commercial purpose or that otherwise infringes Nintendo's intellectual property rights."
 * That's the important part. We clearly state we're for guides (no confusion), we promote Nintendo, we are non commercial, we are using it under fair use.  IANAL but I don't see any problems. -- Prod (Talk) 12:50, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Is there any way to actually undelete images, I heard wikipedia has a way but do we? I uploaded them then deleted them, I have the links, this is one, is there any way or do I need to take them again.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 12:53, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You're a sysop, didn't you see the Restore button on the page that you linked to? I just clicked Restore, and viola, it came back.  But then a noticed you reuploaded the image, so I'm not sure if what I did had any effect. Procyon (Talk) 13:16, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry, I realised that they were still in my recycle bin. Usually when you try to restore an image it will only restore the text, try undeleting this, for me, you would only get the text.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 13:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Just a little bit of pedantry, it's voila, not 'viola'. A Viola is a kind of instrument (that I happen to play) with a range below a violin and above a cello, and is also the name of a character in Shakespeare's play Twelfth Night.  Carry on ;-)  --Froglet 10:24, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually it's voilà not voila :P--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 11:24, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I know, I just don't know how to make those fancy characters on this keyboard. I wish I had my German keyboard with me.--Froglet 08:30, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Froggy, does your keyboard have an Alt Gr button, if it does then you can get a few useful characters by holding down that and pressing the letter, the é is very helpful for when you want to say Pokémon, sadly the á is the wrong way round so use the edit box below or hold normal alt then press 0224. Also, if you need a character added to the box then ask a sysop.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 10:29, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * á =Alt160, é= Alt130 --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 20:22, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Help with formatting
This is all still a bit of a mystery to me. Are there any guides or keys on how to get formatting to work? Once I have figured out how to properly post and format I will begin to contribute what I can. I know I can start out by fleshing out the pages for Advance wars 1 & 2, Cooking Mama, and Digimon World 2. --Zaiqukaj 06:34, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I just left a welcome message for Zaiqukaj, which contains the link to the SW guide, but this may highlight the fact the guide on its own is not visible enough to new users. Granted, since we welcome every new user, this may not be a problem, but since Zaiqukaj asked for help before he edited, we was not able to locate the guide one his own.  Does it need better advertisement on the front page? Procyon (Talk) 06:57, 11 June 2007 (CDT)


 * I think so, yes... Maybe put it right in the welcome to StrategyWiki box?-- Duke  Ruckley  09:43, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The help button on the left links directly to the guide, I would think that would be obvious enough. Zaiqukaj, as a new user, perhaps you can tell us what pages you looked at/read before coming and asking here.  That way we can put links on those pages. -- Prod (Talk) 09:53, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I agree, i have huge trouble when I want help, maybe have a few redirects from typing help etc. in the search bar.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 10:51, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * We can also change here to pint to the guide.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 11:31, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, how about:

Welcome to, $1!

Your account has been created. Don't forget to change your Preferences. Also, check out StrategyWiki's Usage Guide to help you get on the right track.


 * SkizzerzTalk - Contribs 11:43, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Should have something big like, Need help?  Want to learn Wikimarkup?  Check out the StrategyWiki guide for everything you need.  --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 17:08, 11 June 2007 (CDT)


 * Thank you for the help everyone. I am going to do a little more browsing to get a better feel for data organization, the overall look of the guides, and common naming conventions for section titles. Since someone asked, here is my history of browsing yesterday before posting here. I first found this site by Googling for a walkthrough for Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. Before posting here I randomly browsed through about 7 other guides and read the staff lounge page. I tend to get lost visually within a large amount of links. Perhaps if this confusion is a common problem you could fix it with an automated "getting started" my talk message as a reminder/notification of where to find the site's rules and helpful resourses for those who are starting out. Also, I somehow accidentally deleted this when I replyed. Sorry about that. It was an honest mistake. --Zaiqukaj 07:45, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It's fine. As for the message, that is what the welcome message is for (the one left on every new user's talk page, found at StrategyWiki welcome). Anyway, do you think we should implement a) My option for the new account creation, b) Notmyhandle's option for the new account creation, c) leave it the same, or d) come up with another one? --SkizzerzTalk - Contribs 11:25, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I would keep it the same. With all websites, it will take new users a variable amount of time to gather their bearings and learn how everything works. It could be flawless and I would still be a moron starting out. Skimming the archive of this area is pretty helpful. It answered a lot of questions before I could even wonder about them. --Zaiqukaj 04:09, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry to disagree but I still think that we should add it in, I can't see it doing us much harm.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 05:08, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

partial content & screencapture question
I'm going to start seriously fleshing out and writing the Digimon World 2 strategy now. A few questions popped up so here they are: If I have partial information for a section should I post the partial information or is it best to wait and post once I have all of it? Also, at this point I have no ability to take screenshots or get images for things on my own. What is the standard way screenshots are taken? --Zaiqukaj 03:48, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Since it's a wiki, pages are constantly being revised. Even if what you've written is very incomplete it could still be of some value to others, and you might even find that other people find what you've written and then improve it (which they couldn't have done if you hadn't posted it). You can use stub or wip on the page to let others know it's not all there yet. As for screenshots, there are a variety of ways.
 * The first option is to use the PC version if one exists (which in this case it doesn't). Many games come with screenshot support, and even when they don't programs like Fraps can capture from them pretty smoothly.
 * Another option is to use an emulator (ePSXe, in the case of the PlayStation) which has built-in screen capturing of some sort. The downside here is that you can't transfer your save files to it without some sort of device, but on the plus side you can use emulator saves to save and load at any time and in any place (rather than only when and where the game itself allows it), which makes taking some shots a lot less frustrating.
 * Another way is to use a video capture card; this costs money and is a bit more fiddly, but it means you can still play on the real system.
 * If all else fails you can hunt for existing screenshots. Since screenshots are automatically the property of the game's copyright holder (rather than becoming the property of whoever takes the screenshots) any you find on the web are fine as long as they don't have watermarks (GameSpot and the like love putting their logo on everything they upload). The biggest problem is that certain shots might never have been taken before, especially if the game is less popular and/or has no PC version.
 * I've used a mixture of these for the guides I've worked on and it's worked quite well so far. GarrettTalk 05:38, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks for the information. I had no idea they had emulators for the Playstation. The idea of a wiki is still a new concept to me. It sounds like a very efficient system for data gathering and colaborative work as long as people aren't jerks about it(needlessly deleting or making up things). I look forward to helping contribute. --Zaiqukaj 07:48, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I whole heartedly recommend the use of emulators for any system prior to, and including the N64 (which includes the Playstation, but you'll have to exclude the Sega Saturn, emulation for that system just isn't up to snuff yet, but it's getting closer.) I use them for all of my guides.  If you need any help with that, leave a note for me on my page.  ePSXe is fantastic, but can be a bit bewildering even if you are familiar with emulators, because it relies so heavily on plugins, just as many N64 emus do.  Procyon (Talk) 15:39, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Good to know. The last time I checked emulators were pretty hard to find(at least for me). Are there any good websites or resources for this? I would really like to learn more about these in the hopes of gaining the ability to take some screenshots --Zaiqukaj 05:22, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * MAME has a guide here, there's quite a few in this cat on wikipedia for a list of notable ones but Proc probably knows the best ones.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 05:32, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Check out Zophar's Domain. He covers what seems like every emulator in existence, and his descriptions which gives a fair idea of their features and quality, but he doesn't explain how to use them. As for help, easyEmu has very clear guides for some of the most popular emus. GarrettTalk 05:50, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, Zophar's Domain is in a permanent state of suspension. It's not being updated anymore.  While not nearly as organized as Zophar, emulation9 is updated daily, and maintains links to every active emulator.  You just get a list of emulators instead of the descriptions that Zophar provided.  EasyEmu is a great reference, as is the wikipedia link that Rocky provided.  Another good reference is this page but it's a little rough.  At the very least, all of this should get you started.  Unfortunately, due to legal considerations, we can't entertain a discussion about where to find ROMs.  Sufficed to say, Google can help you more than we can.  Procyon (Talk) 07:46, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
 * OK, that should be enough information. Thanks for the help. The legal thing always makes me weary. Since I don't want anything illegal on my computer I would be strictly sticking to ROMs that I also own a physical copy of the game. --Zaiqukaj 08:01, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Adding a cat will remove all links in your edit summary
Check here, I had 2 links, one to the Pokédex and the other to the cat of Pokémon artwork (I forgot the colon) and it removed the Pokédex reference as well, is ther a way to stop it.--Rocky (Talk - Contributions) 15:43, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
 * You should probably test it on Wikipedia and other wikis to see if it's a problem with MediaWiki. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 19:35, 14 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I wonder what happens if you do that when moving a page? Oh well, some things are best left unanswered?--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 11:34, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Hmm, I tried it and it still showed the links (even the category one, and I know I did not use a colon before it). It even worked when I moved the page. -- 15:22, 18 June 2007 (CDT)
 * That's weird, the same thing happened when I tried to replicate it, I'll try again--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 15:33, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

Numbers in Contributions
Just wondering... what are these numbers that display in your contributions right after the time? Like +699? Baejung92 21:52, 15 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It's a count of the number of characters that have been added or removed. It's useful to see how big someone's edit was. -- Prod (Talk) 21:56, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

about deleting a page
Shoot, I forgot about the URLs of the pages being case sensitive. I need admin help deleting http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Digimon_world_2/Types

Hopefully I won't be making that mistake again.
 * Next time, just add delete to the page, you can also move it to the right name with the move tab (Do we have autoconfirmation disbled? if not then you can move after 4-5 days of creating an account) you can also link to it with square brackets, just put Digimon world 2/Types and you'll get Digimon world 2/Types.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 10:12, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Problem with title
This template completely fails in IE6 (FF Keeps on freezing my PC :'-, the title of the page (right at the top) says undefined and the title of the page doesn't change. Now why can't I middle click the link to my user page and nothing is showing up in the edit box in red :( --Rocky  (Talk - Contributions) 14:36, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * My only advice is that you try reinstalling FF (get it here). You might have to reinstall your addons too... I'm not sure. -- 14:58, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't really mind about FF (Its Jhust Danned Anotying tyhat yio dont have a sphellchekker :P) but I would like to know why this happens in IE.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 15:07, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * IE likes to set its own standards on how to represent certain aspects of pages (like transparency and floating stuff) instead of following the standards that nearly every open source browser follows. Do they want to be different? Make it seem like they are better? Who knows, but I'm guessing your issue is a problem like that (where FF and other open source browsers interpret/display it one way, and IE does it another, dysfunctional, way). Oh, and re-installing FF does work. One time for me it updated and I couldn't start it up, but then I re-downloaded it and re-installed it (the same version as the updated one), and it worked just fine. -- 15:22, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * The whole IE standards things brings up the shit I tried to get changed, that the div tags in IE can only have the width set to a maximum of 99% otherwise it messes up. I was like on the phone with them for 5 hours total over several sessions, but hey, now I have friends in India!  Well not really, but yeah, I got nowhere with them.  --User:Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 19:52, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Does anyone think we should put ads on the left hand side of the page, a banner or something using this code so it only shows up in IE6 (Maybe others too). Images work with this. <span style="position:absolute;top:465px;left:-140px;z-index:-1 --Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 02:04, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I'd say no, mainly because it works for me too, and I'm not using IE6. -- 09:42, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, your sig doesn't work for me, I can see both scissors and it looks horrible.--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 10:27, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

Completion Stage 3 for Pokemon Diamond and Pearl
I was wondering, what would qualify Pokémon Diamond and Pearl as a guide at completion stage 3? Like, what would it need? Would it just need more walkthrough sections, or would it need screenshots, too? Thanks for letting me know. Myth 21:55, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It should have enough content for the user to get through the game, with perhaps a few small gaps. -- Prod (Talk) 22:28, 28 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah. So basically filling in most of the walkthrough gaps. Thanks. Myth 12:00, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

Are we missing an image?
I was checking out the MediaWiki CSS and I saw that http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/MP-open-book2.png was broken for me at the time. Is it for you guys? --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 01:02, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * It's because the image was moved to Commons (which has different image directories). Those styles weren't used so I removed them. Anything calling for upload.wikimedia.org (or any outside site, for that matter) should be linked to a copy here instead. GarrettTalk 05:49, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, all images, stylesheets, etc. should be hosted at media.strategywiki.org. Can I have the images so that I can upload them?  ech elon  15:07, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * I think they've all been eliminated now. There's something else you can fix, though: some external link icons are missing from Blue Cloud's skins folder and so a link to any of them won't have an icon at all in Blue Cloud--https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/, for instance, should have a padlock (http://media.strategywiki.org/w/skins/monobook/lock_icon.gif). This is already implemented in the CSS, it's just that the images aren't in the skins folder. Edit User:Ryan Schmidt/FakeLink to see which ones are missing. GarrettTalk 18:16, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
 * None of the pics work in IE6 though :(--Rocky Rally-X Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 01:43, 30 June 2007 (CDT)
 * They will show up at the end of URLs once they've been added to the skins folder, it's only this template usage that IE6 can't display properly. GarrettTalk 01:59, 30 June 2007 (CDT)