Talk:Super Mario World: The Second Reality Project Reloaded

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This game is only played by a relatively small community who are into ROM hacks, and maybe more specifically Mario World ROM hacks. This particular one is created by a non-notable group and is highly rated (3rd position) on Super Mario World Central. The hack has been reviewed and the video review has been posted on notable sites such as AOL and dailymotion.com. It is not sold commercially, has not been rated by any rating agencies, and its userbase is indeterminate, although I suspect not very large due to the nature of the distribution.

Besides scope, ROM hacking is borderline illegal, as it is a derivative work in itself, and distributing and/or obtaining the ROM on which to perform the hack is illegal. While writing a guide about a game that skirts around copyright issues probably isn't illegal, it's something else to think about. - najzere T 19:25, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * This is just my personal opinion, but I kind of disagree, primarily because I respect high quality hacks. There really is nothing illegal about ROM hacks.  The only legality is how one comes into possession of the pre-patched ROM in the first place.  We have an guide started for Mario Adventure, so I don't see why this game can't live here too.  If the guide is actually developed, it's yet another feature that can set us apart.   Pro  cyon  19:38, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then there should be some guidelines for what constitutes "high quality." Anyone can make a ROM hack, just like anyone can make a flash game or homebrew, and we don't want to end up with a bunch of crap games that have guides written by the games' authors. Also, the Scope page should be updated, as it leans away from inclusion on games like this. Are there any reliable websites that track ratings or downloads for ROM hacks? I'd hate to have to try and determine notability/quality on these myself. - najzere T 19:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * You are very correct in that the determination of quality hacks vs. non-quality hacks is very subjective. I tend to feel that RomHacking.net does a fairly good job of separating the wheat from the chaff, and both this game and Mario Adveture are featured hacks on that site.  Pro  cyon  21:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I am the creator of the guide. I'm here to speak out against the deletion. At the time I created it, I felt that the ROM hacks category was a bit sparse — the only guides for ROM hacks that are currently up are Mario Adventure and Super Mario Forever. Since The Second Reality Project Reloaded is a hack that's almost as extensive as Mario Adventure, I felt that it deserved a guide as well. To report on the progress of this guide, I've just finished writing the "Getting Started" section and am now working on the "Characters" section as we speak. - NES Boy 19:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The problem here is that essentially the Getting Started and Characters page should only indicate what differs from the original game, and the guide for Super Mario World is unfortunately a bit sparse (and I am a looooooooooooooooong way away from getting to that game.) Presumably it's contents could have been transcluded, but... whatever, I guess we'll cross the bridge when we come to it.  Also, patch information belongs on the front page, not the Getting Started page.  We also mention available Japanese to English translation patches on the front page of appropriate games.  Pro  cyon  21:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Just because the ROM hacks category is small, doesn't justify this article being made. Unless there is a lot of notability shown, this should be deleted. RobJ1981 21:37, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If all we're looking for are differences, perhaps ROM hacks could just be a section of the original game's guide. Unless the hack is way too comprehensive. Then maybe subtocs would work. - najzere T 21:44, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, I am comfortable using RomHacking.net as the measure of notability, since they are very good at determining the quality of a hack, and whether it merits inclusion on their site. In this case, this page and this page should be the only sources for this patch, as opposed to the two which NES Boy listed.   Pro  cyon  22:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with those pages is that this guide is created for the Reloaded version in mind, which is not on RomHacking.net at this time. This version has no new music, different names for some of the levels, no new overworld, no new enemeis, no new graphics (aside from some pallette alterations that vary in quality), slightly different level order, and doesn't include the Spring Yard Zone level or any of the Thirdspace levels. I'll take Procyon's advice and add game changes information to the "Getting Started" page and move the IPS patch information elsewhere, but it was on the "Getting Started" page in the first place because the Super Mario Forever guide had it there too. - NES Boy 22:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to weigh in here with a keep per Procyon. I am opposed to moving the guide to a subtoc because when it comes to nominating Super Mario World for Featured (eventually) I think it would be unnecessary to have include the hack in that consideration.-- Duke  Ruckley Talk 23:22, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Looks like I'm a bit late to the party. I'm not really convinced that RomHacking.net is a reliable source for our inclusion criteria. Looking through some of the final/complete hacks, not all were very good. They are definitely a 'short' list of rom hacks, but it doesn't mean they have the best/reputable hacks. -- Prod (Talk) 05:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Look, I don't know how to judge a ROM hack through scope, but this deserves a walkthough, since it has unique things that make it stand out from other Mario World hacks. - NES Boy 05:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)