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Registering at ABXY
I saw that CI was moved to abxy, and so tried to register there, but after hitting the "submit" button on the page it just moved me back to the "Terms and Conditions" or whatever page. I tried it multiple times and it does the same thing. What should I do? Baejung92 13:23, 8 March 2008 (CST)
 * Do you have cookies allowed and JavaScript enabled? You may also need to temporarily disable the cookie-blocking functions of your security software (e.g. ZoneAlarm), or ideally add the site to their exceptions lists. You could also try registering from http://forums.abxy.org, although that's less likely to fix it. GarrettTalk 14:13, 8 March 2008 (CST)
 * Yes and yes to both questions... I was pretty sure I didn't have any cookie-blocking enabled. But I tried this with IE7 instead of Firefox, and because the "Register" link at the top of the page wasn't there on IE, I used the link near the bottom and it worked this time. Bizarre, but I don't know. Baejung92 17:15, 8 March 2008 (CST)
 * The problem is caused by specific security settings (default in Firefox, probably not in IE, though IE didn't work for me, either, at first). The solution is to click through until the URL displayed is abxy.org instead of forums.strategywiki.org. It's most likely a cross-site scripting issue where the browser sees different base URLs for the registration scripts, and doesn't allow them to execute. I was finally able to register using Firefox by clicking through to abxy before registering.--Vizeroth 17:29, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
 * I probably missed something with the cookie settings. If any of you sees this error again, I'd really like to see some output from LiveHttpHeaders. That would help me debug it. echelontalk 23:04, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
 * I can't register with the name Rocky, it says it's already in use, will I be able to have the single log-in if I choose the same password or does the username also have to be the same?-- The preceding signed comment was added by Rocky (talk • contribs). 13:24, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 * I'd suspect the user names have to be the same. The Rocky profile has no posts, however, so it could probably just be deleted. GarrettTalk 14:56, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
 * I just deleted the old Rocky account. echelontalk 09:44, 11 March 2008 (CDT)

Subpage watch
Is there a way so that all subpages for a game may be watched, or do we have to watchlist each subpage individually?  bibliomaniac 1  5  17:00, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Special:Watchsubpages would be the page you're looking for. - Koweja (Talk | Contributions) 18:52, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Thank you.  bibliomaniac 1  5  18:27, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Unable to login
Hi my username was 01110011. Under this name I have contributed to this Wiki for many days but today I get:
 * Login error:
 * You have not specified a valid user name.

What happend? Please help. 84.87.68.10 01:31, 12 March 2008 (CDT) (84.87.68.10 = user formaly know as 01110011)
 * I don't know why you would be getting this error. Perhaps it's your password and not your user name?  You can always attempt to email the password to yourself.  -- 01:57, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
 * I don't know why this is happening either, but it happens to me (and my friend Jack Phoenix) as well. I can successfully log in by logging into a different account, then logging out and back in as this one (it still gives the error, but it does log in after that). I'll poke echelon and see if he knows the reason why (I'm guessing it's due to the shared session cookie between StrategyWiki and ABXY and/or something wrong with the user database). -- 15:50, 12 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Yikes, I know what it is. I set a regex (/^[a-z][\w\-]{2,11}$/i or similar) on new users signing up (to prevent nastiness if/when we have to merge the user system), and I think it was applied to login accidentally. I'll dig it out. echelontalk 00:22, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Try now... echelontalk 05:03, 13 March 2008 (CDT)
 * It works again, ty 01110011 03:52, 15 March 2008 (CDT)

I now have similar problems creating a forum account. I get the terms page and click "I agree to these terms", I come to the next screen. If I try to use 01110011 or Binary as username, fill all other fields and click "Submit" I come to the previous screen, no error message. The help & FAQs page is "Coming soon. :)". Any advice?01110011 12:55, 17 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Bah, same error. I'll take care of it echelontalk

Request for Screenshots
Could someone please upload screenshots of Ocarina of Time into the guide? It seems a bit lackluster in some places, especially as you go further into the guide. --'''|Superpowered  Mario ''' (Talk|contribs)
 * That was originally my old job. I'll try to get back into the game and get screenshots of the dungeons and such. (I can't do much this weekend, though.) echelontalk 00:35, 29 March 2008 (CDT)

Alright, then. I'll take any you can get. There should be some for the dungeons because as for right now, the Deku Tree is the only one filled up and all the rest are empty.--'''|Superpowered  Mario ''' (Talk|contribs)

Copyright Question
As a part of my guide I have been copying text for puzzle descriptions and hints from the actual game (Professor Layton and the Curious Village). Is this a copyright violation? If it is, I will delete it right away. If it's not, do I need to cite it? Thanks --Skyeunilover 10:59, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
 * If you've only been copying small chunks and they're useful for demonstrating aspects of or tactics for the game, I think it's acceptable under fair use, but IANAL. --DrBob (talk) 11:21, 28 March 2008 (CDT)

Server Issue
I think the administration needs to see this link. Hopefully this doesnt cause any issues but I kind of stumbled on this hole when a friend of mine sent me an image link... the whole subdomain is kind of showing.

Showing something like that publicly isnt usually good so I dont know if you want to lock that down or do something. Sorry if I have caused any issues. --216.8.149.4 21:57, 28 March 2008 (CDT)
 * Thanks for the notice. I don't think there is any issue since it's a static html page, but it's showing a bit more than it probably should (and it's outlived its usefulness). -- Prod (Talk) 22:32, 28 March 2008 (CDT)

When do contributions show?
I know that the wiki pages update and show the changes the moment I press the 'Save page' button, so this question isn't regarding that. As someone new to the wiki forums, and a bit of understanding of html to which I'm certainly no where close to fluent, I've clicked the edit button a few times to find out the encoding to make tables, same-page links, and inter-page links.

So my question is this. For my contributions history, does the times I hit edit and then use the 'Back' button on my internet browser [IE7] show up as a contribution? Should I have been using the 'Cancel' link each of this times of refrence finding?Dartmoor 15:34, 3 April 2008 (CDT)


 * I may be misunderstanding your question, but if I follow you correctly, the only thing that counts as a contribution is if something in the contents of the page is changed and saved. Merely clicking on the edit button doesn't count as a contribution.  Even showing a preview of your changes doesn't count.  The only thing that will add your name to the history of edits is if you actually commit your changes to the database by saving them.  Did that answer your question?  Procyon (Talk) 15:41, 3 April 2008 (CDT)


 * You certainly understood my question alright. Because my first few edits were only linked to my IP Address, before I signed up, I wasn't fully certain when I went to check out my history several edits later. Thanks for the quick reply, Procyon. Dartmoor 17:49, 3 April 2008 (CDT)
 * You may want to see the Guide, in particular this page and this page, which detail how wiki markup works and how to make tables. -- 19:07, 3 April 2008 (CDT)

When trying to upload unsupported image formats
I was uploading some images today, and when I hit the upload button Firefox gave me the error message "Connection to the site was renewed" or something like that, and wouldn't upload. Safari was doing the same thing. A bit later I realized I've been trying to upload a bitmap file, which I now know is not supported. But I had a question: Shouldn't SW just display a message saying that I'm trying to upload an unsupported image if I tried to do that? How come it doesn't even load a SW page? It worked when I switched to jpg, so I'm assuming the image format did have to do something with the error message. Baejung92 18:43, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
 * Check the filesize. It was probably over 1.5 megs. Use PNG instead, since even mspaint can handle that (and reduces the filesize significantly). -- Prod (Talk) 18:55, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
 * JPEG is ok too right? Because I already uploaded them... :) Baejung92 19:40, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
 * Yeah it's ok, but since you're using MSPaint, they force you to use a lower file size while making the image quality worse (and creating artifacts). You may not notice the difference that much, but trust me, the quality is terrible.  GIF also works, and I know MSPaint can save those cleanly.  We recommend you use GIMP.  Thanks though - no real need to upload new versions of the images unless you have the originals and would like to make them better =) -- 01:46, 9 April 2008 (CDT)
 * I use Image Analyzer for all manipulation (except for transparencies); it's got a much simpler interface than the Gimp and the like but still has all the necessary features. As for GIFs, they should only be used for animation; properly optimised PNGs will always be better than GIFs, and MS Paint generally doesn't reduce the GIF palette in the ideal manner. GarrettTalk 02:55, 9 April 2008 (CDT)

Master of Orion II - request for comments
I've done quite a lot (? 60% - 70%) of  Master of Orion II and would appreciate comments. Besides the usual aspects, I'd like to know whether this is the kind of thing StrategyWiki is interested in - I've got the impression from various discussions that StrategyWiki may be more interested in console games, FPSs and RPGs.

Notes:
 * I'm still thinking about how to structure the military stuff, and the Contents Page is only my current thoughts. The problem is that by this stage a fairly experienced player is thinking on several tracks simultaneously, and they all feed back into each other. I may have to draft the whole thing as a text file to see how best to make it hang together from a newbie's piont of view.
 * The current content is mainly oriented towards medium, large or huge galaxies and games that start at the lowest tech level. If that goes well I'll add major sections on small galaxies (dominated by blitz and anti-blitz techniques) and on higher-tech starts.
 * There's probably a lot of wikilinking needed, but I'll leave most of that until the end, when I know where everything's final position is.
 * There's lot of scope for images, but I'll leave many of these to the end.

Please post comments at my Talk page. Philcha 07:01, 22 April 2008 (CDT)

Total Annihilation/Units
I've tried out in Total Annihilation/Units an idea that was discussed sometime ago on my Talk page. The point is that for many classes of unit ARM and Core mostly have equivalent units, so a lot of space can be saved (especially in the TOC) by combining them - IIRC the main exceptions are Level 2 K-bots. So far I've only done Level 1 K-bots. Should this approach be extended to all classes of units in which near-equivalents are common? If so, how much in the way of unit stats should we display? IMO apart from costs most of the stats are fairly meaningless and it's more informative to say e.g. "A is a little faster than B and a little tougher than C" (note: so far I've been unable to fint data on hitpoints). If we cut the stats to the bone I can change the orientation of the data table in each section, and that will save a little more space.

Please post comments at my Talk page. Philcha 12:55, 22 April 2008 (CDT)
 * I would suggest keeping this kind of discussion on the talk page for the specific guide. Most people don't really have the insight into the game that you do, so can't really comment knowledgeably about the topic.  As for the page specifically, you have a few options.  If you could merge the ARM/Core sections together, that would probably save plenty of space.  Another suggestion would be to split the page up a bit by unit type (Aircraft, K-bots, Ships, etc.). You could also convert some sections into tables with each row being a unit, and the columns: Class, weapon, comments, and maybe even tier (using sortable tables). -- Prod (Talk) 01:18, 25 April 2008 (CDT)


 * Hi, Prod, thanks for the comments!
 * I posted my questions here because I thought relatively few people would watch the TA guide specifically, and because I hoped others would have come across similar layout issues in other guides.
 * I agree it will probably be a good idea to split pages by unit type - Level 1 K-bots, Level 1 vehicles, ..... Level 2 K-bots, Level 2 vehicles, ....
 * I'm happy to use tables where appropriate (see for example Master of Orion II/List of Colony Leaders). But I suspect they won't work so well for lists of TA units because the comments vary so much in length (especially for the Commanders!).
 * OTOH I think tables are good for presenting the most basic facts about each units, followined by paragraphs of comments.
 * In my previous post I mentioned an alternative layout for these basic facts. Here's an example, I'd like to know which you prefer.
 * (a) in the current version:


 * (b) the alternative, (and I'd omit "Weapon 2" for 1-weapon units, this is just a layout example). This saves a line, but would adapt less well to providing additional stats (hit points, weapon damage, movement speed turning speed, acceleration); but I'm less keen on the additional stats as the HP and damage can be summed up as "X beats Y in a one-on-one" and the movement stats are meaningful only to modders.:


 * Philcha 07:03, 27 April 2008 (CDT)
 * They both look fine to me. As for subpaging, from the length of each of the sections in the current page toc, it looks like having tier1/2 kbots on the same page would work, if that's useful for readers. -- Prod (Talk) 11:10, 27 April 2008 (CDT)
 * Thanks. I'll put Level 1 Vehicles on the same page - I want Level 2 to be on a different set of pages from Level 1, as e.g. "premature moves to Level 2 technology are a leading cause of Commander deaths" (from one of Cavedog's own strategy pages). Philcha 11:57, 28 April 2008 (CDT)

What do I do if I accidentally erased a portion of my favorite wiki???
Specifically, I deleted level 28 of the Solomons Key walkthrough map screen... and I am super bummed and really really sorry! I am inexperienced and was only trying to share some notes on this very difficult game! Any tips? Is there a way to reset the changes? Can I contact the original poster to find the necessary image?

-Mike
 * It's ok, I fixed it for you. Did I miss anything? If you go to the Recent changes link on the side navigation and look for the tiny links to the left of every edit there will be one that says (diff). If you click on that it will display what is different on the page compared to what was there previously. It's pretty cool, I use it often to double-check my edits so I didn't miss something while editing. Every line that had something added, moved, or subtracted will show up beside the previous version with the changes a different color.--Zaiqukaj 05:45, 25 April 2008 (CDT)
 * Note that you can also access this using the "history" tab shown on every page. You can even use this to check the difference between several edits. GarrettTalk 04:58, 28 April 2008 (CDT)

Posting answers to games
Hello StrategyWiki sysops,

I would like to know if it is okay to post answers to online games found here on StrategyWiki. Thanks in advance.
 * I believe you are asking if you can create guides for the games at that website? I'm going to have to say no - these are small flash games and would only be included if the administrators decided that they were acceptable.  Please see Guide/Scope.  The games themselves don't seem to need a guide, but simply a cheat or answer repository - I'll bring it up at the next meeting.  -- 03:07, 28 April 2008 (CDT)
 * Yes, those games are all out of scope for StrategyWiki. I do realize that a majority vote by the community can override the scope, but I do not see that happening for games with such low difficulty levels strategy-wise. -- 15:29, 28 April 2008 (CDT)
 * This comment refers to Live Search Club. -- Prod (Talk) 23:36, 28 April 2008 (CDT)

Separating Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS
I've noticed those two games are jumbled together in a mess, and they aren't written very well. They need to be separated into two different guides to make sure nobody confuses one game with another. Is anyone besides me willing to help clean them up? -- '''|Superpowered  Mario ''' (Talk|contribs) 12 May 2008


 * Yeah it's on our sysop list to do, so we'll help where we can. I don't own DS, but I've beaten the original - what should we do, just copy the 64 pages to DS ones and then have someone update the DS ones to fit the DS version?  I don't know what needs being "separated" since we already have two guides and an integrated ToC.  If the data lists are different (monsters, etc.), then we'll either have to add sections on those pages or make completely new ones for the other game. -- 20:56, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 * These games should not be separated. This is just like the SNES and GBA versions of Zelda: Link to the Past.  SM64DS is a super-set of the original SM64.  The proper way to handle this problem is to carefully delineate what portion of information refers to both version, and what portion refers only to the DS version.  Procyon (Talk) 22:28, 12 May 2008 (CDT)
 * I got Super Mario 64 DS version a couple weeks ago, so I could've helped fix the articles, but my DS is lost to the ages right now :-(, so I can't do much myself. If anyone out there is able to cleanup the articles so that they are accurate (not separate them like I originally requested), it would help. --|Superpowered  Mario   (Talk|contribs) 14 May 2008
 * The guide really just needs some organizational TLC. The information is present, but the pages are not arranged in any particularly appealing fashion.  Procyon (Talk) 16:01, 14 May 2008 (CDT)
 * I had combined the two guides together since there was tons of overlap. I haven't played sm64 for a while, and I don't have the ds version, so I couldn't properly tell which was regular 64 and which was ds only.  I just looked over some of the pages again, and they don't look too bad.  The info is on the right pages, and any of the SM64DS specific stuff is in sidebars.  It's definitely missing information from both games, and needs layout cleanup, but I wouldn't call it a mess. If you can point out what specifically is wrong, I'd be glad to help. -- Prod (Talk) 00:49, 15 May 2008 (CDT)