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How to open and install a patcher file from FTP..
Someone can teach me by steps?it will really help me.--Ofir38 15:56, 17 September 2007 (CDT)

About Ludibrium Maze PQ
Japanese site http://maplestory.netgamers.jp/ says that the PQ is to lv 70 in japanese version of Maple. In Official Maple Story Global site is an information, that in Global the PQ is for levels 35-50. Do you think that there are more major changes? -- Vigilium 03:39, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I think it is some horrible typo... Two PQ's for 35-50 in the same town no less would be dumb.plus no way level 50 could kill Taurospears in that PQ.--IsaacGS 06:59, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

GMS Halloween Event Town
GMS will be getting a brand new Halloween town in the month of October. There's 3 monsters for it which you may have seen I have already added, plus several NPCs and a good bit of impressive looking Map objects. There will also be an exclusive pet "Jr. Reaper" coming along with this. Please don't add a page for this, however, until we get a real name for it.--IsaacGS 00:10, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

ThailandMS Cave of Life?
The patch notes mention Cave of Life. Did ThailandMS get it? Also, the road names did not change for Leafre (no Minar Forest road names). -- Takiten 01:24, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Didn't get it. In the patch notes means "Release whole Leafre map except for Cave of Life". (In the last canyon map doesn't have a warp portal to Cave of Life.) -- PiPU 03:48, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

Maple Story Global 0.43?
Check the ftp server, please. There's somethings strange:

Hello, Maplers. MapleStory Client ver. 0.43 is now released. This is for test. We hope you enjoy the newly updated contents for MapleStory. Happy Mapling! -The MapleStory Staff-

There is the patcher in "patchdir" directory already. -- Vigilium 02:25, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, check this thread:

http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1319964 all sorts of crazy stuff going in. O_O--IsaacGS 02:26, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
 * OMG 0_0 The weapons looks GREAT. The Spear is way too good though ;). Do you have problems with entering MS Global now? -- Vigilium 02:32, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Haven't tried, I hear it's not working properly though.--IsaacGS 02:34, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

I always disconnect in the moment, when I double-click my character. Many Europeans have the same problem. Probably it's just becouse of the patch, but I wonder if players from the States have the same problem... -- Vigilium 02:40, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I can get in just fine, but those new avatar smegas are really annoying >_<. Plus, Nexon nicely expanded the curse word filter so you can't carry on a normal conversation. On top of that (I haven't been able to confirm this, though), it appears that it sometimes causes your USB ports to "burn out" (aka stop working), so if you have a USB keyboard, you're probably going to die. -- 15:27, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
 * My brother is on, he has been logged in since last night, but I've been busy examining the data so I still haven't tried. The problem with the keyboards, it has nothing to do with the USB ports I believe, it's caused by a problem with switching from mouse movements to keyboard controls (IE shifting between the game plane and the windows and menus). It happens with all keyboard, though with different levels of Severity.--IsaacGS 16:50, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

KMS ver1.2.45
KMS patches to ver1.2.45. Getting the 2 new boss and southperry extend.http://maplestory.nexon.com/MapleStory/Page/Gnx.aspxURL=News/UpdatePreBoard&maskPageType=2&oidArticle=4 --Fideltan 02:58, 21 September 2007 (CDT)

Bob the Snail Quest
Does anyone know if the quest is finished? I did Grendel, Gwin and even The Rememberer's part positively, but Bruce part seems to be not finished. He wants you to talk to Winston, what is imposible. -- Vigilium 04:50, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Winston's quest text isn't in the data yet, and it is disabled by date at the moment. There's also more quests relating to Bob from Dances with Balrog, Cody, and several other NPCs. Apparently this will be a running storyline over the next few months. I think there's something wrong because they didn't even put it in the patch notes, perhaps it was released prematurely.--IsaacGS 15:52, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't think it was released prematurely or Nexon would've removed it in a server check or something. Besides, there is an image of a green snail on the world/channel select screen, which I'm guessing is Bob. -- 20:10, 28 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Well I have now finished as much of it as is possible now... It still doesn't make any sense, there's at least 5 quests we haven't had added yet. It doesn't even really end, there's just an abrupt unavailability to continue. Besides, I don't think they can disable quests with a server check. o-o--IsaacGS 21:30, 28 September 2007 (CDT)

Henesys Party Quest
In the quest you have 10 minutes to plant the seeds and protect the bunny, not 10 minutes for seeds and 3 minutes for protecting it. If you manage to plant the seeds faster, the bunny have more time to make cakes. It is a single stage, not 2 stages. If it would be always 3 minutes the bunny will always make 10 cakes -_-*. Dunno why IsaacGS has reverted my edits. -- Vigilium 11:17, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
 * When I did Henesys PQ, we took a long time. It got down to 2 minutes before we found the last seed. Then, when the bunny spawned, the timer went back up to 3 minutes. So it may be that it only changed to 3 minutes if you have less time than that, and if you have more than 3 minutes it uses your remaining time. It should probably be investigated, as I've only done henesys PQ in GMS a handful of times.--IsaacGS 11:48, 21 September 2007 (CDT)
 * When I did Henesis PQ first time we did it so long that the bunny has no time to make 10 cakes. The timer stopped when the bunny did only 7. Monsters didn't even touch it. I have no idea why the timer gave you bonus time. 0_0 strange thing. -- Vigilium 12:16, 21 September 2007 (CDT)

Speaking of Henesys PQ, I found this ad: http://mxd.sdo.com/web2005/events/events_index.asp?id=145 For CMS. Might they be getting Henesys PQ soon, since all the graphics in that ad are related to it in some way? It's about some event schedule which is unrelated though.--IsaacGS 20:26, 23 September 2007 (CDT)

Fortune Teller System, a minigame?
Fortune Teller System is not a minigame at all. In MapleSEA, you nid to buy a fortune ticket, talk to yaibua, she will give you one fortune ticket 0-9. example, ticket 0 add 20speed and 30 jump for 1 hour. You cannot play anything. How can you say it is a minigame? --Fideltan 01:34, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Than Gachapon isn't a mini-game also. -- Hurricane 09:55, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Yes. If we don't count Fortune teller, then we don't get gachapon as one either. And then, you're just talking to an NPC, why count RPS because again, it's just interacting with an NPC? Just leave it alone.--IsaacGS 15:50, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

Magatia has 2 more monsters
Magatia has 2 more monsters, one is in the way to Magatia and one is Magatia PQ's boss. Can someone extract the data of JMS and add it to the monsters page? -- Hurricane 12:09, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Have to wait till they patch next week. -- Takiten 12:22, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, I thought they patched already. Well, here's the FTP if someone wants to create his own manual patcher: ftp://download.nexon.co.jp/NexonJapan/maple/patch/notice/ -- Hurricane 12:27, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I have known that Magatia has several monster we don't have listed for some time now. One is a "ghost" scientist, and because he is transparent you can't get a clean image of it by cropping it from the game. Another is the sand mole, and dozens spawn on one map at a time all on ground level, so it's hard to see one alone. The last one (that I know of) is the PQ boss, it looks like Frankenstein. There may be more PQ monsters. TK said that he would send me the mob.wz for JMS when they got Magatia so once that happens I'll update the stats.--IsaacGS 15:48, 26 September 2007 (CDT)

A new pet?
Well, I used Online Banned Story 2.1 and I've found this monster but as a pet:
 * http://strategywiki.org/wiki/MapleStory/Monsters/Level_11-20#Baby_White_Monkey
 * Can someone confirm that they has it? -- Hurricane 01:05, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
 * We'll have to wait for PiPU to confirm that, but last I checked those weren't there. I'll look again though.--IsaacGS 01:55, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
 * It's in ThaiMS 0.38 data (Leafre patch). but doesn't release at this time. Here's the pic. http://download.yousendit.com/1AC481EE635F7919 -- PiPU 04:26, 27 September 2007 (CDT)

"exclusive" template
We don't need to mark things created in KMS with "exclusive" flags. 98% of the game is created in Korea and that's unnecessary, redundant, and pointless. Things created in another version are unusual, and the leaf is supposed to be a differentiator. So stop putting leaves on KMS things.--IsaacGS 17:38, 27 September 2007 (CDT)

TaiwanMS got Henesys PQ?
Well, have a look at this: http://tw.maplestory.gamania.com/event/20070919/moon.htm do you think they got HPQ? -- Hurricane 01:36, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
 * According to our charts, TaiwanMS has had Henesys PQ for some time. O_o At any rate, that ad is for the Moon Festival, not Henesys PQ. That's the yellow bunny which is on the MapleStory/Monsters page for some time now.--IsaacGS 02:00, 30 September 2007 (CDT)

MapleSEA ver0.47
MapleSEA having a new patch on 4/10. Getting Loads of things. Amoria, Leafre Dragon Forest/Canyon, New BGM for Shanghai Map. Monster Identifier and super more. Go to-http://forums.playpark.net/showthread.php?t=153606...Fideltan 05:24, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
 * The patch notes only say Dragon Forest. We'll have to wait and see if they get the Canyon too. -- Takiten 12:03, 2 October 2007 (CDT)
 * It seems that the patch file is 113 MB (118,863,878 bytes). I'm going to find out the new data as soon as my client will be downloaded. Why do I have a feeling that I will find some NLC data? -- Hurricane
 * Lots of nice data there. Everything's been updated here.--IsaacGS 23:05, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Here's the website:http://forums.playpark.net/showthread.php?t=154886. Looks like we're having Stumpede too--Fideltan 00:18, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I did my own thread at sleepywood. http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1326302 is the patch over yet?--IsaacGS 00:25, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * it didnt even start yet.. according to
 * the mapletip forum saying that
 * 0 Days 05 Hours 40 Mins 04 Secs and it changes... i mean its auto clock you dont have to refresh the page.. almost 6 hours more til patch EVEN START
 * They started to patch. The game servers will be opened in 15 minutes. -- Hurricane 03:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * They released Dragon Canyon Maps, and they stop till Cave Of Live-Entrance. They also got Upgraded World Maps and Party Leader Changing System that were not listed in the patch notes. --Fideltan 02:26, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Do you all wan the new world maps? I hav most of them.- Xiaozhu 2007 07:12, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
 * We already have the new maps.--IsaacGS 13:59, 6 October 2007 (CDT)

Wedding Village
Instead of having "Saint Cathedral Only" and "Saint Cathedral and Hair Salon Only" for KMS/JMS/MSEA, wouldn't it be better to just make a new row called "Wedding Village"? Since their Amoria is so different from ThaiMS and GMS, it's like a completely different town, but using the same graphics. Plus it actually is called "Wedding Village" in those versions anyway instead of "Amoria". And the Hair salon in MSEA shouldn't really be mentioned on the town availability chart anyway. We can also make a "Wedding Village" sub-section in the Amoria article. that explains the differences (hair salon) from each version. -- Takiten 16:09, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I was thinking this yesterday... I think, though, that we need to emphasize the fact that they are in fact equivalent areas, unlike PBI and Amoria were. But the fact that the hair salon and such are present in MSEA makes it just as different as GMS' version is from KMS'. At some point, though, we do need to figure out what to do with this.--IsaacGS 17:15, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * TaiwanMS getting Amoria on 17/10. Likely to be the patch 0.59. Looks like KMS Amoria not GMS Amoria. --Fideltan 05:56, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * But wait... There's no Wedding Shop in the korean version... OMG, are we gonna see ANOTHER version of Amoria? Geez, no town has ever been reinvented so many times. >_>--IsaacGS 13:32, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I wonder why every version gets the KMS's Amoria. Maybe they think GMS can't make good towns so they take them from KMS. >_> -- Hurricane 14:11, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * GMS version of Amoria is infinitely better than that craptastic wedding village from KMS. I guess they just don't want the wedding town to have any other uses (like monster hunting. >_>)--IsaacGS 14:14, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Didn't we get Amoria with no monsters? Just a patch after we got Amoria we got Sakura Cellion. Maybe they'll get Amoria dungeon in the future. After all, that's the only reason why you should get marry (The PQ). -- Hurricane 14:21, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * But no version has the monsters yet except ThailandMS, and when they patched in Amoria they got the sakura Cellions with it. I don't think any of the other versions will get the dungeon, at least not in the form of GMS.--IsaacGS 14:23, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Well, we'll just have to wait and see. I wonder which Amoria EMS will get... what do you think? -- Hurricane 14:29, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * No way to know. I never would have thought that JMS would nerf it... --IsaacGS 16:37, 5 October 2007 (CDT)

New job-pirates!
seems like there is a new job in Kmst 1.2.106! pirates! http://sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1326791&page=18 you can see the images of the guns and glove boxing of the new job! will they release 1st job then 2nd job? or all 4th job together?! who knows... and seems like that the new town in victoria island going to be expanded .. because of 2nd job 3rd job and 1 more npc will be added to leafre .. the pirate 4th job npc Discuss here Moshik1212

ThaiMS 4th Job on October, 24
here's the news - http://www.manager.co.th/Game/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9500000118158 \>w</ -- PiPU 15:24, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Very nice. I can't believe they are getting 4th job before even Korean Folk Town. O_o Isn't it very important for a lot of skills?--IsaacGS 15:29, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I found a website saying that 4th job will be out in ThaiMS. http://maple.asiasoft.co.th/img/flash/banner_4th_job.swf I think that cave of live(Hornedtail) should be out too, as you see doing 4th job need to kill hornedtail. --Fideltan 05:39, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I saw that yesterday... It's the same Flash that TaiwanMS used. But do you know for a fact that Horntail is being released? You can't really assume that, yet. Two things that you can assume will come with 4th job are Tylus monster of El Nath PQ and the two Archer summon birds.--IsaacGS 11:38, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * This event page announced Horned Tail and Helios Tower will be released in this patch. http://maple.asiasoft.co.th/newsPreview.asp?contID=5470 -- PiPU 12:26, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

New Version, Hong Kong MS
looks like a new version is starting up this month. http://www.maplestory.com.hk/ We'll have to add this on the 23rd when they start up.--IsaacGS 23:53, 6 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Doesn't the website say that it will open on 10th? - Wkkim9292 00:03, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I saw 10 10 23, so i thought 23rd... Can you read it? O_O--IsaacGS 00:06, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I can only read the dates and nothing else. The date clearly says 10th. - Wkkim9292 00:12, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * It says it will open at 4PM, 10th of October. Wkkim9292 00:13, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah, what's the 23 then?--IsaacGS 00:34, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I don't know what 23 is but after intro, it says 10th of October at 1600hrs. - Wkkim9292 01:21, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

I think it means the beta will start on 10/10 until 23/10 if i am not wrong XreddevilsX 01:27, 7 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Yup, it close beta test starts at October 10 and ends at October 23 至 = to/between/through. Macau IPs are also allow to play Hong Kong MS. -- ★ ~MΛRXΘΓ~ ★  =]  Want to?|undefined/Wi-Fi Gaming|undefined 00:35, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
 * That makes sense, they're kinda in the same boat. That's a really short closed beta though. O_O--IsaacGS 02:07, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
 * So When are we going to add this, 10th or 23rd October? --Fideltan 02:48, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
 * 10th, as soon as someone can get info on it.--IsaacGS 02:55, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
 * The beta is from 10th to 26th of October.--Xiaozhu 2007 21:23, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Looks like no one had gotten the info of HKMS... --Fideltan 01:55, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I just downloaded HKMS and found a lot of data that are taken from TMS. Primary scanning shows: New World Maps, Wu Lung, Leafre, Kerning Extensions, Ludibrium, Aquaroad, KFT, oPQ, Guild Quest, Showa, China (with PVP Town), Taiwan and Thailand... It's basically everything from TMS ><--Scopelenz 06:58, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

we should already add the halloween town to the charts
like we did the same about beer tent.. we putted it in the charts before it was patched so i think we should do the same about halloween town but we need to considor a few things ofcourse its exclusive and we dunnu if its perment or like happyvile that opens only in christmas and that is all what do you think we should do? Moshik1212 06:32, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
 * We still know nothing about it. We'll add it when we have some more information about it. -- Hurricane 08:36, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I'm waiting to make the page when we actually know the town's name. We don't even know what it's called. Preliminary, we'll put it in Events, but if it is still there after the November patch, then I'll move it up to Masteria.--IsaacGS 12:15, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Look at this
http://maple.asiasoft.co.th/index.html? It appears to be a poll asking the Thai maplers what town they want next. CBD of Singapore, Taipei 101, and even NLC are listed as options. That's a real shock, wouldn't you agree?--IsaacGS 11:43, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * These are the exclusive towns to the SEA, TaiwanMS and GMS respectively. Maybe their question is, If we can choose any town, which town would you want to release first. --Fideltan 01:50, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

How do I know?
I want to upload the new halloween monsters to Strategywiki but I want to know if they are already are uploaded, how do I know if they are? Thanks for answering me. -- Hurricane 12:53, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Check the levels. If you know their official names then you can look through . But I think I uploaded them all (the Hoodoo/Voodoo, Rocking horse and the 3 colored books.) so there shouldn't be a need to upload more.--IsaacGS 13:00, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Umm... where's ? Is it this one?

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Categories:MapleStory_monster_images because it has nothing. -- Hurricane 13:32, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * this is the correct address http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Category:MapleStory_monster_images It's pretty big though. --IsaacGS 15:55, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * You guys DO know that if you put a colon before Category, you can make an internal link to a category without including the page in the category, right? If not, here's a quick example: Category:MapleStory monster images = Category:MapleStory monster images. -- 17:43, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I didn't know that XD I've never needed to link to a category before. o-o--IsaacGS 19:09, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

Gms patch 0.44-Masteria expanasion! halloween towm.....
http://www.destructoid.com/maplestory-announces-halloween-content-makes-even-skeletons-cute-48557.phtml looks pretty nice.. wonder where its .. there should be more updates Moshik1212 01:04, 11 October 2007 (CDT)Moshik1212
 * Link is good enough, don't copy. Anyway, yeah it's nice, but wait until patch data is up to make the page, we don't know what it will be all of still.--IsaacGS 01:08, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Isaac, do you a good forum where I can post the patch info/data? SW isn't working. o.o -- Hurricane 01:32, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Not really. xD I'm just gonna be getting it ready for whenever SW is back up.--IsaacGS 01:37, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * LOL. Try to click on Enter Forum in SW using Tab (digression ;) ). -- Vigilium 02:55, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * It actually leads to this: http://adurah.com/img/ But don't enter this website. A lot of pop ups will apper until your computer will get stuck.
 * My PC did not stuck ;P. Funny thing. -- Vigilium 03:29, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * The patch flash: http://msfile.nexon.net/Uploaded/Img/common/post/post_20071010_halloween/loader.swf

The town name is just "Haunted House". There is only one map outside of the town that is accessible without NX cash as far as I know, but it looks like you can summon something there if you drop a specific item on the tombstone. The mansion itself has tons of maps, but you have to pay NX to get in. The quests are listed under the "Event" tab instead of Masteria. So I'm thinking this town will only be available during Halloween. It might need to be moved to "Event towns" on the town chart if it does turn out to be just an event town. -- Takiten 14:15, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Now there's a ticker going across the top of the screen saying the Haunted House will remain as a normal area and not just an event map. The mansion itself will be opened to the public in November and anyone will be able to enter it (No NX required). So I guess this means it will stay in Masteria. But the EMS version of the Haunted house will probably be a event map only used during halloween instead. -- Takiten 17:09, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

EMS is getting the halloween map+NLC O_O
Thanks for Moshik for telling me about that. It seems that MapleEurope is getting our's (GMS) Halloween map. http://image.mapleeurope.com/en/flash/center_flash.swf Are they getting NLC and that Halloween map? WOW. -- Hurricane 04:50, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Well it's "possible" that EMS is just getting the Mansion without the Phantom Forest or NLC. This is something we will have to wait for the patch to see. There's no mention of NLC though so it's unlikely for them to just sneak NLC in without saying anything about it. -- Takiten 06:42, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
 * The way you get to the Haunted House is just through a NPC, so it is very possible for EMS to get the Haunted House without NLC. They can just put a random NPC somewhere on Victoria that you talk to that sends you to the Haunted House town map. -- Takiten 14:25, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

Pirate 2nd Job Advancement came out in KMST versions 1.2.107
It is in the patch notes and all skills have come out. - Wkkim9292 22:52, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

HKMS - When are we going to add it?
It is out. We should add it. Anyone has some information about it? -- Hurricane 09:57, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Been trying to get something; someone needs to start a new column though. ;) --Scopelenz 11:26, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Well I'm downloading it right now... You can download it here:
 * http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/470886/1//Link_for_HKMS_setup_parts.html# -- Hurricane 11:36, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I have created a thread on HKMS availability in Sleepywood. http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1329214 - Wkkim9292 16:35, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Just found the FTP of HKMS: ftp://patch.maplestory.com.hk/maplestory/patch/notice there is a 0.02 patch info but it's just for a test. I've tried to make a new patcher but it says the patch information is wrong. -- Hurricane 10:30, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

Shanghai Upgrade in CMS Test Server
Apparently there is now a bottom lane in the town map. Not sure if there are anymore changes. Source:
 * There must be other changes; several of those NPCs are new, so at the very least they added a lot more quests.--IsaacGS 05:54, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Ok got more info. Apparently the hot air balloon will become a portal to another hot air balloon in one of the other hunting maps. Neat feature. And tons of new quests are introduced, including one that crosses over to Thailand! Things are sure linking together now for the world tour! BTW how do you sign after a comment? XD
 * Isn't that Chef NPC from Formosa? I wonder if ChinaMS is just stealing some Formosa NPCs since they won't ever release Formosa. Unless I'm just mistaken. Also it looks like the Shanghai town map is shorter length wise... Maybe they just shortened it so its not such a long walk to each end and back. -- Takiten 15:57, 13 October 2007 (CDT)