User talk:Prod

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 * Archive 1 - October 16, 2006
 * Archive 2 - December 19, 2006
 * Archive 3 - January 20, 2007
 * Archive 4 - February 7, 2007
 * Archive 5 - April 13, 2007
 * Archive 6 - June 29, 2007
 * Archive 7 - November 21, 2007
 * Archive 8 - May 27, 2008

subpaging details
Thank you for letting me know, I'm still learning so mistakes are bound to happen. I do admit sometimes I'm uncertain if some sections should remain on their front pages or not. For the sake of making sure we all have proper records of what came from where here is a list of anything that has been vague recently: I'm also planning on slowly chipping away at proof reading and subpaging the rest of Radiata Stories and Anachronox. They both seem to have complete walkthroughs but desperately need to be sorted out. --Zaiqukaj 03:01, 18 November 2007 (CST)
 * These were all subpaged from their front pages: Metal Storm, The Immortal, Radiata Stories/Easter Eggs, Radiata Stories/skills, Snowboard Kids Plus, SBK: Snowboard Kids/Modes, Snowboard Kids 2, Sonic R, Mach Rider
 * These were subpaged from thier walkthrough pages: Turok 3, and Anachronox
 * The information on the Fable/Spells came from the attributes page
 * The controls now in Super Mario 64/Controls came from getting started
 * Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets/Getting Started had a duplicate of info found in the characters and spells/potions sections. I read both versions to scan for any diffirences. What little was diffirent was added to their proper pages and the duplicates on Getting started were taken out.
 * Let me know if you want me to do this for anything older than these. It is pretty easy for me to see where the subpaging comes from since the page everything comes from is edited last as the now duplicate info is taken out. I stuck to pretty safe decisions this batch of subpaging so there are only 2 things I think may be wrong.
 * There is a chance the info in Sonic R/Walkthrough should have simply been an items page. The walkthrough pages seem to assume the player already understands what the items are there for. Kind of a prerequisite for understanding.
 * In the Radiata stories guide I just stuck with the term "Easter Eggs" for the list of odd lil things you can find. There are a ton of strange little details and quirks hidden in the game so giving it a page seemed ok. I'm just curious if we have a standard term for that.
 * Here are a few questions as well. Should I also be stating my source when working on the infoboxes? I always use wikipedia for this. I just noticed the new way ToCs are being formatted. It is pretty snazy. Would it be helpful for the cleanup project if I went through the guides updating them to use the the col and h2 templates in the ToCs? --Zaiqukaj 02:10, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Showing my gratitude
Thank you very much for your help. Since of your help, I have been able to revise it with ease. However, I been reading the guide and it seems such a bumper that I don't understand half of it. By the way how did you do it with the link? You told me earlier not to use the categories, but how did the new page appear all of a sudden. This is really confusing for me so if you can help please. Thanks once again.

Copyvio
Honestly I have no idea how I happend to delete that copyvio. I did not do it on purpose, but since I was cleaning up the Wind Slayer pages a little today it must have slipped somehow (though I realy don't know how) ... so sorry 'bout that, I undid the changes and thanks for noticing... --Bmuig 11:51, 27 May 2008 (CDT) (talk)

X (Game Boy game)
Hey Prod, what do you think of this title? Does it merit change? There is no other system that ever used the name "X" for any of their games, so technically, it doesn't require disambiguation in it's name. At the very least, it could be shortened to "X (Game Boy)" if the parentheses really lend anything to the title, distinguishing it from anything else X related. Procyon (Talk) 13:01, 27 May 2008 (CDT)

Deadend pages
So I was asking on IRC, and one idea I got from a person there: perhaps the special pages haven't been updated? That could be the issue that's causing the two pages to appear in deadend still. RobJ1981 03:53, 29 May 2008 (CDT)
 * The same two pages appear on Special:Uncategorizedpages (despite them having categories), and it's been that way for weeks now. Whatever is wrong with these seems to be far-reaching... GarrettTalk 05:47, 29 May 2008 (CDT)

You keep missing me
Stay online. I was looking for you this morning, but I fell back asleep after lunch. Then I got up and headed to Taco Bell, and when I got back, you had already logged off again. I'm around. Procyon (Talk) 15:42, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

MrSmartGuy
The edits are mostly constructive, as a lot of the areas in the training guide aren't really practical training spots these days. I probably wouldn't have removed any of them, but I agree that all the ones he removed were not as useful in the modern environment. Sorry it took so long to get back but I was out of town all weekend until now.--IsaacGS 20:21, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

Oops, I was afraid that I might have messed one of those up. It's fixed now.--IsaacGS 00:18, 4 June 2008 (CDT)

Re: Fist of the North Star
Which game gets the honour of taking that page? (and Hokuto no Ken for that matter). -- Prod (Talk) 00:37, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
 * I'd say have both redirect to the category. I don't know much about this series, but it looks like it's basically a tie. GarrettTalk 00:46, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Previous discussions were that you only redirect if no game uses that name. Only use disambig if the original name is taken.  In the case of ties, pick the more popular one, otherwise the first one. -- Prod (Talk) 00:55, 6 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Well, it's complicated. The first Hokuto no Ken was localised as Black Belt, which would be the name used here. Hokuto no Ken (Famicom) is the next to use the name but was not localised. The first to use Fist of the North Star is the localisation of Hokuto no Ken (Famicom)'s sequel. GarrettTalk 02:30, 6 June 2008 (CDT)

Splitting Transformers:The Game
So should it be deleted? Vikrant AP 15:19, 7 June 2008 (CDT)

Lunar Lander
It's really a footnote in video game history, it's barely a game. After the first 5000 came out of production, Atari started to convert the rest to Asteroids. I'm on the fence concerning the Vector category. It's not incredibly useful, but it is kind of interesting. I could take it or leave it. I'll leave that one up to everyone else. Procyon (Talk) 08:50, 17 June 2008 (CDT)

Control template.
I don't know about control template, if you revert it, can you teach me at the same time? I'm only here for less than six months and I only know button template but not control template. It will be helpful so I'll have less difficulty when dealing with an old page into a page with multiple chioces. Johnnyauau2000 10:42, 20 June 2008 (CDT)

Thanks, it will be a bit of training until I'll get use to it. If there is anything else I need to know just put it on my talk page and I'll try to improve on it. Johnnyauau2000 11:03, 20 June 2008 (CDT)

Please see
User_talk:Travb Travb 09:29, 23 June 2008 (CDT)

Redirecting pages...
I feel a bit embarassed to be asking this after being part of SW for quite a long time... but what do you do to redirect pages? im trying to redirect misspellings and similar words to their correct articles. how would I do it? thanks in advance. Peace out, God bless. Halosonic 09:00, 24 June 2008 (CDT)
 * It's fairly simple. Just type in: " #REDIRECT newname ".-- Duke  Ruckley Talk 08:32, 26 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Sorry, I just jumped in there Prod... I wasn't paying attention and thought I was on the Staff Lounge :)-- Duke  Ruckley Talk 08:34, 26 June 2008 (CDT)

Re: Ports
If there are new features that require more pages be added to the original ToC, I think it deserves its own main page. -- Prod (Talk) 16:05, 28 June 2008 (CDT)
 * The additions sound even more minor than the GBA version of The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, which has its changes covered on the same ToC. I'd argue it's still the same game in these cases as well. GarrettTalk 16:12, 28 June 2008 (CDT)

Release of 1.13.0
Well, I talked to brion today on IRC regarding when 1.13.0 will be released, and the results were entirely unhelpful :P I'll ask Tim next time I see him though. I've pasted a log below for your convenience:  brion: btw, someone wanted me to poke you regarding the official release of 1.13, so do you know when it might be? Skizzerz: as soon as tim gets to it 18:27, 28 June 2008 (CDT)

/* Cutthroats */ cleanup
I saw you did some cleanup on Elixir of Life campaign, scenario Cutthroats; unfortunately scenario subdivisions have been put on same depth level as that of scenarios :

Contents [hide]

* 1 Summary * 2 Scenarios o 2.1 Graduation Exercise + 2.1.1 First week + 2.1.2 Second week + 2.1.3 Third and fourth weeks o 2.2 Cutthroats o 2.3 First week o 2.4 Second week o 2.5 Third week o 2.6 Fourth and fifth weeks o 2.7 Sixth week o 2.8 Seventh and eighth weeks o 2.9 Valley of the Dragon Lords o 2.10 A Thief in the Night

Should be

Contents [hide]

* 1 Summary * 2 Scenarios o 2.1 Graduation Exercise + 2.1.1 First week + 2.1.2 Second week + 2.1.3 Third and fourth weeks o 2.2 Cutthroats o 2.3.1 First week o 2.4.2 Second week o 2.5.3 Third week o 2.6.4 Fourth and fifth weeks o 2.7.5 Sixth week o 2.8.6 Seventh and eighth weeks o 2.3 Valley of the Dragon Lords o 2.4 A Thief in the Night

Would you be kind to correct the page? (I prefer to add content, not form) --Marenostrumad 11:02, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

Copyvio at Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team/Getting Started
How is this to be fixed? Delete? or better to remove gamefaqs user's opinions? And what exactly are grades --- ingame or opinion-based? Vikrant AP 15:04, 2 July 2008 (CDT)
 * These grades are opinions and are not from in-game. I'll try to fix this page tonight. --Zaiqukaj 04:34, 4 July 2008 (CDT)

Banning
I've never been too sure about the policy over here. Over at Wikicars, we're not so forgiving, we just automatically indefinitely ban any spammers or vandals. I'll just have to adjust. Lunar Knight (Talk to me + Contribs) 14:32, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

MPH ToC
Procyon referred me to you for ToC concerns. I did some cleanup in MPH and was curious if the ToC needs a little re-arranging or if its fine as is? Lunar Knight (Talk to me + Contribs) 17:56, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

Re: Platform/Platforms/systems
I was using platforms since that's what wikipedia uses. If you have a better reason let me know. I'd like to deprecate one of the uses. -- Prod (Talk) 00:41, 6 July 2008 (CDT)
 * The same term should be used for the parameter as well as the resulting template; Wikipedia uses "platforms" for both, while the infobox here uses "System(s)". "Platform" is perhaps the more technically accurate term to encompass things like Steam and Windows (which don't have dedicated hardware), but outside Wikipedia it's far less common (for example, the Google hits for "game platforms" are insignificant compared to "game systems"). Companies often refer to a product as a "system" (Sega Master System, Nintendo Entertainment System, Nintendo Super System, etc.), further reinforcing this use. GarrettTalk 02:23, 6 July 2008 (CDT)
 * My opinion is that we should go by the more accurate technical term, since editors can either copy it from wikipedia, or look at other examples. Visitors should be able to figure it out based on usage.  Which do you prefer? -- Prod (Talk) 11:57, 6 July 2008 (CDT)
 * My preference is "systems", for the reasons given above. GarrettTalk 23:33, 6 July 2008 (CDT)

Why, Prod, why?!?!?!?
I was just making a James Bond page! I didn't mean any harm! It's just that the picture wasn't working very well! Please let me recreate the page without distractions! GwannaSauna 01:07, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

Ahem...
And are you the one that edited the Weapons page? I was only trying to help! Oh, and what did you edit to my 'Trouble in Paradise' walkthrough? I notice it's bit shorter GwannaSauna 01:13, 7 July 2008 (CDT)

Well, thanks for the help...
... I hope I helped Strategy Wiki a bit more, as I noticed the Walkthrough had been missing some pages that I could fill :)

About the problem with the icons
Ofir38 05:16, 8 July 2008 (CDT)I am using Ie7 on windows vista 32 bit.

MPH ToC
I've got everything merged. Can you adjust the ToC? I'm totally lost as to what to do. Lunar Knight (Talk to me + Contribs) 17:46, 8 July 2008 (CDT)

Needcontrols on Legend of Legaia/Arts
Did you place the template there to change all the arrows to DPad controls? I actually tried that at first and thought it looked too confusing in this context. Having the whole DPad image makes it harder to figure out what direction comes next in a long string of directions (such as 8 or 9 in a row). If you are referring to battle controls in general (i.e. how to input that), I figured that belonged on its own controls page.-- Duke Ruckley Talk 08:06, 17 July 2008 (CDT)
 * That looks a lot better than the DPad for the PS, though I still think the arrows look best in the end. Is there a specific reason you want that changed?-- Duke Ruckley Talk 06:10, 18 July 2008 (CDT)

RE: gallery vs. tables
Re:

Is it okay if I switch back to the table view? Asthetically, the gallery oesn't look as good. I was hoping to add a lot of pictures to the walkthoughs, but I want to make it look good.

Travb 10:44, 17 July 2008 (CDT)

Sorry about that...
I'm sorry for the other user I recently created. It was most likely a cookie problem after my computer crashed, causing me to not be able to login, thus making me think that it was deleted. I promise to try to be less stupid in the future, but apparently for me that's pretty difficult to do ;)

Some Guy Named Moe 7:03, 18 July 2008 (EST)

In regards to your cleanup tag
In regard to your cleanup tag on Dead Rising/Weapons, I responded on the talk page. Travb 15:56, 19 July 2008 (CDT)

Tedious rules
This site's editors and illogical, irrational rules are starting to get a incredibly tedious.

In two weeks I have nearly 1000 edits, and have added over 400 images. I have spent dozens of hours adding material to this site, material, I might add, which is found no where else on the internet or in print.

I even bought a TV tuner for my computer so I could take photos of the game and was thinking of investing in even better tuner to add more photos for this site. Every photo goes through a 5 step process before getting online. Thats a lot of invested time.

I was planning on using flash so I could make several new maps, similar to this flash map.

I was looking forward to the 2 new zombie games, so I could add material here too.

Instead of congratulations and thanks, all I get is reprimanded, repeatedly. It is getting really old, really fast.

Based on the "thats the way it is always done, and so here is the door if you don't like it" response which I have gotten from several editors, I can already guess your response, so I will start looking for another wiki to post my edits.Travb 15:56, 19 July 2008 (CDT)
 * thanks Prod. I will stick around. I enjoy working with you. Thanks for surprising me with your kind, diplomatic response. Travb 16:24, 19 July 2008 (CDT)

Yoshi's Story = Mario?
I've got a quick question. Should Yoshi's Story be put in the Mario category? It is the sequel and prequel to Yoshi's Island and YIDS (respectfully). But of course, there is the problem that Mario isn't in it at all, even though it is a sequel to a Mario game. Sorry for bothering you again.

Some Guy Named Moe 5:58, 19 July 2008 (EST)

Re: Image Names
I was just thinking of trying to further categorize the images so that they're easier to find for my own sake, 'cause I don't exactly have an easy time memorizing file names. =P Sometimes I go into the categories to find the name of the image I want (especially since I sometimes have to do mass-uploads) and...stuff. Yeah. So I suppose I could change it, but it's just a bigger pain for me, that's all. I just need to find a system of uploading files that works.

As an example, I can't remember if it's CNC, or CnC, or C&C. Or if it had a 3 at the end. >.> The other big problem are plurals. Can't often remember if it was "DropPod" or "DropPods"...you get the idea. --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 08:03, 24 July 2008 (CDT)

MrSue
Did you ban him permanently? I realized now he stole my writing for the Kane's Wrath units, specifically the Hammerhead gunship article. It was originally in with the ordinary GDI units, but I deleted it since you told me to keep the original and expansion units seperate. Now he's copied my own text and, since he's reposted it as his, is essentially taking my work and claiming it as his own. Unless there's some kind of rule saying that my writing is in the open the moment it gets put on Strategywiki, ain't that a copy violation? --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 10:58, 31 July 2008 (CDT)
 * The question really is "Does attribution apply to content copied from within the site, to the site?" and the answer is yes. -- 16:18, 31 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Skizzerz explained it to me in IRC, so it makes sense. But still, shouldn't there be some kind of attribution to me rather than someone else simply copying what I wrote in a previous version? --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 18:01, 31 July 2008 (CDT)
 * Yes, your name goes in the history. Lets say instead of MrSue the culprit was me - I've done this where I copy/move something and forget to add the names of the original page/content creators.  However this isn't a problem because one of us can easily add your name to the credit/history list in an edit summary.  -- 19:58, 31 July 2008 (CDT)

Also my computer Internet is not loading again due to slow Internet browser again. Tried to get computer to load but it persisted on loading websites slower and my computer programs refuse to respond again.(76.247.222.101 11:02, 3 August 2008 (CDT))

Link anywhere on the page
This is the code which does not work on this wiki:

On other wiki's you can add that code and then link to the section:



With this code, pages which you don't like how I use or == == to create links to each name, such as in the Dead Rising/Survivors table, would be fixed.

In addition the   creates no edit link. Travb 08:47, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
 * Ha! Nevermind, span link works! User:Travb/sandbox.
 * It is probably those damn smart quotes in Microsoft word that is fucking me up. I wish I knew how to get rid of those permenantly. Travb 08:57, 6 August 2008 (CDT)
 * I found an answer: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word/HP051901241033.aspx you have to do BOTH steps. It worked. No more damn curly quotes after years of the damn things. I relly to heavily on Microsoft Word's find and replace, which is much more sophisicated than anything you can find in a text editor. I use ^p, ^#, etc. so much... Thanks for your help, again !  Travb 09:46, 6 August 2008 (CDT)

Shadowrun
I moved and fixed the links for all of the pages except for Guide/Starting_a_new_guide. I didn't know of another disambiguation page, so I didn't change the old Shadowrun link in that section. RobJ1981 01:54, 7 August 2008 (CDT)

BSM Cheats
Is it really worth splitting the page? There is only one cheat in the entire game (one for each console). It doesn't look very presentable...--Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 07:39, 7 August 2008 (CDT)


 * I don't know where else cheats can possibly go. At any rate, if they do go on their own, it won't be much of a featured guide anymore since it requires two images. --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 13:21, 7 August 2008 (CDT)

Classy
Nice job ! Looks better than before! Travb 09:42, 7 August 2008 (CDT)

Yes please merge
Yes please merge. Thank you. Travb 16:32, 8 August 2008 (CDT)

thanks for fixing links
noticed you already fixed the links on case 1 and 2. thanks Travb 13:59, 10 August 2008 (CDT)

Sorry about that.
XD I had posted it on a forum where the word "Server" was filtered as a joke, and then copied it after I posted it and forgot to fix that :X I thought I fixed them all. X_X--IsaacGS 22:55, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

Rockybot
Thanks :).-- The preceding signed comment was added by Rocky (talk • contribs). 02:15, 14 August 2008 (CDT)

Re: Series
Looks like |series might need to be changed. Perhaps a |series link? -- Prod (Talk) 03:14, 21 August 2008 (CDT)
 * It would be simpler to automate the link. For the very few cases where a game is part of more than one series it's easy to work around that with ! and the like. GarrettTalk 03:16, 21 August 2008 (CDT)

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune/Trophies
Do you think it's necessary that we start adding categories to subpages? I think it seems a bit pointless, as I doubt someone is going to search a certain category for something such as trophies or anything else for that matter. Perhaps this should be brought up at a community page here? RobJ1981 01:50, 23 August 2008 (CDT)
 * Nevermind. It was explained to me on my talk page. RobJ1981 07:38, 23 August 2008 (CDT)

Star Fox 2
Hi, I'm currently working on this game guide and I saw that you suggested that the bosses be moved into the walkthrough section. It could be done, but I would prefer not to, because since this is a sort of sandbox game (in a way) I was going to go into the gameplay rules in there just mentioning game elements like enemies or bosses when they appeared, etc. and the going more in detail in the subpages. The walkthrough section(which would more appropriately be called gameplay) will contain quite some info once I'm done with it and the bosses section appears small now but there are more bosses than that and I will put images for each too, so I also fear it may be too much to put in one section. Let me know what do you think

(but anyway I'll remove the tag because that tag is to split the section even further, and I think that's not what you mean, if you still think it should be merged I think you should put the merge tag and bring it up on the discussion page ; ) )

~ Galaxy 02:15, 26 August 2008 (CDT)

Hi, well yes, if by levels you mean the planetary bases, they will be in the 'Planets' section eventually with images and a mini walkthrough explaining how to get to the end of them (maybe even maps in the future). But because of the nature of the game enemies are also "levels" in a way, what I mean is that in a RPG for example you have the main game game line and enemies are just a side part of it, in this game however the missions are assigned when you confront and enemy group at least in space. That is also why I decided to put 'enemies' and 'bosses' sections under 'Walkthrough' instead of 'Apendices' like some other guides do. ~ Galaxy 21:06, 26 August 2008 (CDT)

I have thought about that, and I could be done that way but I am not sure it's the best option, because Land Bosses are in specific levels in specific difficulty levels, but Space Bosses are not in specific places. I also wanted to have the sections with clean distinctions, what i mean is that if I put Land Bosses on Planets, then that would leave Space Bosses by themselves, because they are not planets, if you rename planets into levels, as i said, enemies and missiles are also "levels". What I had in mind is giving the walkthrough for the land levels in 'Planets' referring to the bosses section whenever you had to face them, that way also works when you are only searching for the way to defeat a specific boss without having to look for it in the middle of the planet walkthroughs, or when you follow a link from the word 'boss' from another page. ~ Galaxy 21:22, 26 August 2008 (CDT)

That's fine, as you say, it can easily be moved in the future when the sections are more complete, thanks ; ) ~ Galaxy 22:07, 26 August 2008 (CDT)

---

Hi, I saw that you changed some formatting I did in Star Fox 2/Getting Started using 'div style="float:right; padding-left:1em"', I used that to put the Toc to the right to save space, and I also used it with the image so it could be on the right just besides the Toc, it was the only method I found to do that. I reverted the image formatting because I don't think it looks good to the left, but I also noticed that though you made the Toc stay to the right with 'floatingtoc', the problem is that the text makes contact with it because it doesn't have padding, unless you know how to put padding, I'm going to revert it as it was. This method is also used by other guides like Ocarina of Time anyway. Thanks ~ Galaxy 12:09, 30 August 2008 (CDT)


 * Wouldn't it be better if 'floatingtoc' had a bit more padding? ~ Galaxy 12:32, 30 August 2008 (CDT)


 * Well, looking at the padding that other objects have like image boxes or Infoboxes it is more like at least 1em. ~ Galaxy 20:44, 30 August 2008 (CDT)
 * I don't know... it looks fine to me, I'll post some screenshots in case we are seeing different results. This is the padding that a thumbnail image box has:


 * http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/2788/padding1yz9.jpg


 * and this is the 'floatingtoc' with 1em padding:


 * http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2579/padding2bq7.jpg


 * as you can see it's pretty close, but another issue i found out which may be the reason of why you see it as too much is because 'floatingtoc' has padding all around where the method I was using with 'div style="float:right; padding-left:1em"' has only padding to one side, so 'floatingtoc' looks like this on the top right corner too:


 * http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4647/padding3fh7.jpg


 * What I care more about is the padding from the text, but I also didn't like the toc being in contact with the top navbar, that is why I put a blank line on top which you deleted, though I also thought i wasn't a very professional solution. So the ideal I think would be to put 1em of lateral padding and just a bit of vertical. Can you fix this? If not I would really prefer going back to the other method. ~ Galaxy 12:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

A simple question
Hey Prod, how do I modify a header of a page? I'm working on the ROSE Online pages and I dunno how to modify it. --Jezza 06:29, 26 August 2008 (CDT)

I mean the header of the page, you know how in the header it says "Table of Contents" and "Walkthrough"? How do I add "Planets", "Jobs" and "Weapons and Armors" in there? --Jezza 01:00, 27 August 2008 (CDT)

Backness
I'm not properly back: I've still got another few days away (starting on Thursday and ending on Monday), but after that I should be back properly. I'll take a look at those threads. --DrBob (talk) 13:11, 26 August 2008 (CDT)

Net Fighters
Can this be deleted yet? I noticed it was tagged for deletion by you on July 1. Since then, the editor that made it hasn't had any edits. I did some searching, and found no notability for the game. RobJ1981 19:48, 27 August 2008 (CDT)