User talk:Najzere/Talk page archive 201–300

Small Edits
I'm glad you told me it was getting bad. I have noticed I keep making tiny edits. I'm just making sure that each piece comes together correctly. I usually do just a little work to build up on what I've done. I don't want to risk losing it in a big edit, but if you prefer it like that, I'll try and make it easier. This is my first major guide project, and I haven't done much else this big in the time I've been here. It just takes a while to adjust. After all, I find it hard to tell mistakes in bigger edits. I wont go crazy on minor edits. --|Superpowered  Mario  19:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for trying to cut down on the small edits. You can also try saving your work to a text file if you're not done, then copy/pasting it back in the next day and continuing where you left off. I've done that on a couple pages I've worked on. - najzere T 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Mario Power Tennis.
Oh man I don't know how to say this but I'm really having trouble with the main page. I could use some help with fixing up the Table of Contents and the templates getting all mixed up. So if you have some time, hopefully I won't go further into trouble. Also the boxart I tried is a low resolution and pretty freaky for me to put in so I add a comment for someone to take it out. So maybe you can find a boxart in high resolution and less scary shall I say. Thanks. Johnnyauau2000 11:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Deleting a picture
Hi Najzere,

You already helped me in the past with my guide on Voyage Century and I have one more question for you. How do I delete a picture from Stategy Wiki? This is the picture I want to delete :. The problem is because I didn't had the right name when I uploaded it and I want to use this one :.

I hope you can help me. Thx DJ K-Jtan 19:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Answered on his talk page. -- Prod (Talk) 19:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thx for the reply I thought the abbreviation of the game was to be put at the end of the name of the file but I will put it at the beginning. Thx for the help DJ K-Jtan 16:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, keep up the great work! - najzere T 16:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Images/Maps.
I thought I read on the "Categories" page that an overhead view of a level was classified as a map....I think this is what's confusing me. Back on the Wiki for this game where I personally work and have practically become the owner with everything I did there, there aren't so many stipulations. Andrewb 21:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, like I said, it's not that great of a distinction. Due to the fact that the entire game is played overhead, it looks like it's played on "maps", however for the purposes of our categories, it's not quite accurate. A map is a representation of a an actual area to help you understand its layout and characteristics. Maps/Screenshots really isn't a big deal here (on StrategyWiki), what I was mainly concerned with is now half your images are categorized one way and half the other. Also, once a method has been established (i.e. I categorized all your images as screenshots), it's normal to continue the same way in the future. Maps or Screenshots, it's up to you, as long as they're all categorized the same. - najzere T 21:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: BSM History
To me, that'd be like comparing anything in a video game to its real life counterpart. I'm kind of iffy about it, although if enough support can be garnered for it I could do it. --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 00:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well this particular game is based on true events, which is why you get those kind of edits. I'm not for or against a differences page, I was just suggesting something to make patrolling the guide easier for you. - najzere T 06:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Marking messy edits as patrolled
Please review edits before marking them. The majority of the edits made by the anon to Metroid Prime Hunters on May 22nd need cleanup. -- 02:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, fixed. I mainly review for vandalism and formatting that breaks the page, and haven't been too strict on spelling in the past. I'll make sure to cleanup edits I patrol or leave them for later when I or someone else has the time to review them. Thanks, - najzere T 16:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm guilty of the same thing...-- Duke Ruckley Talk 19:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea. It would be quite abnormal for me not to stumble upon this from time to time so I really appreciate being corrected on it. --Zaiqukaj 07:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Page move
Thanks, I'm new round here so if I'm doing anything wrong feel free to tell me (: JordanH 19:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually your edits look really good. Keep up the great work. :) - najzere T 19:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Places template
I don't suppose you could help me to make a places template for the Petz: Dogz 2 and Catz 2 guide? It would be something like this but In a template so you don't have to write out all the headers and stuff. Can you help? 17:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but if you don't have something to put in one of the cells, it will just be blank, okay? Because it would be too hard to make it able to colspan or omit whole rows in every possible case. - najzere T 17:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I was just thinking to put "none" in there anyway so it shows you're not trying to work it out. So... um... OK ; ) 17:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay: Dogz area info. - najzere T 17:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for making the template! ; ). Just wanted to know, how come you're not in IRC anymore? 16:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, let me know if you need any changes. I don't go on IRC, cause I have nothing to say. - najzere T 16:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: The Sims 3
Hi, thanks for the heads up. I've supported the vote, but not sure whether or not I'll be getting it straight away as my computer needs a spec boost at the moment! Also, still got a lot of work to do on the Bon Voyage stuff, but I'll help where I can. :) JordanH 19:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! - najzere T 19:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * On The Sims 2: Bon Voyage/Walkthrough, do you think it would be a good idea to split the article after the "What's New" section, as I think the second part really should be covered in more detail on another page, but leaving it in and doing a separate page would make it repetitive. What do you think? JordanH 00:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * If it merits its own page, then by all means move it to a separate page. In the edit history just mention where it's being moved from so we have a reference to its history if anyone wants to see it. - najzere T 01:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: sprites
my apologies, I forgot, I havent really been here in a long time. Halosonic 19:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No prob! :) - najzere T 20:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Clasty Article
I appreciate the assistance. I was writing my guide, and tried to have a space where I could have some of my friends and I collaborate on it before I submitted it. I wasn't aware there was a user space that I could put it under. I'm a bit of perfectionist, and preferred to have the majority of the article written before I made any modifications to the current starter guide.

I wasn't quite sure if there was just a sandbox place that I could store it until I was ready to integrate. Am I able to keep that article there and work on it until I begin to integrate it with the main guide?

Thanks for your assistance. Danr14 01:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can do pretty much whatever you want in your userspace. That particular method of making wiki pages isn't recommended however, since it defeats the collaborative process of a wiki. People interested in working on GoonZu pages won't know to look in your userspace, which can result in missing out on other users' contributions or duplication of effort. I'm still not sure where you want to put that page, as most of the information belongs on a Getting Started page, and GoonZu Online (which is what it appears to be for) already has one. Could you please let me know which game the page is for? Thanks, - najzere T 01:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon trainer template
hey, quick question, what is the template for the trainers in PRSE si i dont have to make any more "wierd formats"?

Halosonic 18:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I added a documentation page to   to explain how it's used. Simple lists with a left-floated image weren't working, so I put them into tables to cure their formatting issues. The template is just an easier way to accomplish that, and also to differentiate between trainers from the two different games. -  najzere T 05:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Tag opinion
I've been conflicted on how to label this for a while. If the only cleanup remaining on a page is to convert things like P or U to the or  icons then would the page be tagged with  or  ? --Zaiqukaj 08:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think Arcade would be most appropriate, as then the page would show up in the missing Arcade controls page. - najzere T 08:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. I'm trying to get through all the wikify needing pages that are possible to fix without actually playing the game and this knowledge should be quite helpful. --Zaiqukaj 08:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Knights of Cygnus Guide/Equipment
NGPriest has also request for his data to stay off the site

He is currently helping to set up the new Hidden-Street.net database

Please respect his decisions, thank you

(Sorry, couldn't find the talk page before)

60.240.195.138 06:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Any contributions to the wiki, unless copyrighted, are released under the terms of the GFDL (see the text below the edit text box when editing a page), and as such, access to it cannot be later revoked. - najzere T 21:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

So there's no way to remove data that has been posted?

NGPriest is so going to be pissed at me

What if he copyrights the text and i copied it? Can he remove it?

60.240.195.138 06:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * His work was copyrighted the moment he produced it, but you have to be clear about what exactly can be copyrighted. Raw data just exists, it did so before NGPriest knew of it, and as such cannot be copyrighted. What we cannot use, is a copy of his expression of that data. In other words, we can't copy/paste his work from wherever he's posting it, however, anyone is free to use the information they learn from reading that work, as long as it is presented in a unique manner. If you have concerns that we may be hosting copyrighted text, you can use the copyvio template on the page in question, with the source of the copyrighted material. We're very quick to check into copyright issues, as we have a zero-tolerance for plagiarism. - najzere T 21:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I have seen it has been edited

How can i add a copyright text next time?

Incase i want to post something, but still owned by the copyright owner?

Is there anyway to allow the copyright owner to remove the content?

If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.

It says edited or redistributed, but it doesn't say it will be 100% kept on the site

So is there anything that will allow the copyright owner to remove the content?

Thanks

Also, i did register an account, but i see that it has been deleted

I used NGPriest's name/email to register

60.240.195.138 06:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Another problem is that most of the database is internal, so that it can't be viewed publicly

How can NGPriest claim that he has the copyright on the data that has been posted without revealing the database site/id/pw to the public?

60.240.195.138 06:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The only username to be blocked lately was Jinnhl, but that was before you started striking edits on MapleStory. There is no way to have copyrighted material on the site. It is either agreed to be released under our license by the author, or it doesn't belong. That being said, none of the information looks copyrightable, since it's just data and it's been modified already. If you want to keep copyrighted material off the site, simply don't post it. There is no "delete it at some later point if you want to" caveat.


 * As for the internal database, you can email an administrator through the StrategyWiki email system, and only that person will see the link. I'd suggest you not do so unless you see something on the wiki that has been copied word for word from your site. Even then, it's very hard to establish which came first between two sites contemporaneously building information on the same game. Unless your site's history of edits is as transparent as ours, it's unlikely you could make a case for copyright of information that you've never published. I would just drop the whole thing and stop posting on this wiki if I were you.


 * I'm not very confident you really understand the concept of copyrighting, but just so you know, NGPriest doesn't own any information he finds out about MapleStory, even if he is the first person to write it down. As I've said before, the information already exists whether NGPriest has identified it or not, and once someone becomes aware of it, they are free to do with it what they please. The only thing NGPriest owns is how he conveys that information. In other words, if he says "This cool sword, called The Monkey Blade, does 200 HP damage", we couldn't just copy/paste that, but it's fine for us to put "The Monkey Blade" in a table, and assign 200 HP to a corresponding damage field, even if we learned that from NGPriest. By the way, I'm not a lawyer, so feel free to research copyright law to get your own understanding of it. - najzere T 09:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

CC maps again.
I've changed all my CCLP2 images to "Chips Challenge Level Pack 2" in the files, but I'm having problems with fixing them here. According to the rules you posted, the thing to do is to click the "Move" tab on the image's page. However, I cannot seem to find it. Please respond back. Andrewb 22:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have to apologize, I just checked the group rights, and it seems non-admin can't move files. In this case it actually worked out just fine, because none of those images need to be moved. Abbreviations are quite all right in image names, especially for games with long names like Chip's Challenge Level Pack 2. The places where we use exact names are on the guide-specific images categories. If you do need to move a file in the future, you can place the rename template on it and an admin will do it for you. - najzere T 22:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

another template question
hey Naz, another question related to the pokemon trainer template; does it also work for FireRed/LeafGreen Pages? Peace Out, God Bless. Halosonic 00:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * No, right now it only accepts input for Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald. I don't know much about Pokémon games, but if you think a general Pokémon trainer template would be useful across all the guides, let me know and I'll work on it. If you just want to adapt it for FireRed/LeafGreen, we can do that too. - najzere T 03:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

yes it would be, but for now, it be better to focus on the the 3rd generation (Ruby Sapphire Firered Leafgreen and Emerald). until then, ill have to use the old format. thanks.

Peace out, God Bless. Halosonic 03:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll add those two. Just let me know if they need anything different in the template from the other games. - najzere T 03:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All right, I updated the template to include the two new games. I also made images optional and made an instance for neutral trainers in case you want to use that too. The new template has been moved to pokemon trainer. - najzere T 20:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

FF7
Thanks. I'm running into something now. On the Five Years Ago/Parade For Rufus page, the one boss, Bottomswell. He takes half (I think) damage from gravity, not null and he is immune to earth attacks. I don't really know how to change it. I've gone over and corrected/clarified quite a bit of this page. Let me know if it's up to par. (I'm new at this)

Toasty0717 05:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I figured it out. I got the null from the coding. As it turns out, null in code=strong on the page. Toasty0717 05:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay glad you got it. Anytime you're editing and you're not sure about a template, you can follow the link to it at the bottom of the page (below the save button) and there might be some documentation on how to use it. - najzere T 10:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Just FYI, I posted a reply on my page. Didn't really know where to put it. Toasty0717 21:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw it, thanks. I like to keep replies at the same talk page they're started on, but some people like to go back and forth. - najzere T 22:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Navs on transcluded pages
Just wrap them with " ". -- 06:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * That would work for transcluded ones, but sometimes the page is just linked to from other guides' ToCs. So you could be on one game, go to the secrets page, then when you go to the next page you're on a different guide. I mentioned this a long time ago about the Street Fighter: The Movie guide, but apparently this is how all fighting game guides operate. I don't know what the best solution is, to be honest. - najzere T 07:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The footer nav links should just point back to the parent game's main page, and then readers will only navigate through the collective ToC. -- 07:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LOL. Table of Contents | Secrets | Table of Contents? Okay, that would work, although it kind of negates the point of a navigation bar. At least there will be a [Go to top] link it. - najzere T 07:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops, thought of something else. Originally I thought you could just use the normal footer nav, even if it's on a different guide, but they don't all share ToCs, so you'd still go from one guide to another guide's page, then to a ToC with all different fighters. So you could put a different game in the  parameter, but then that guide couldn't use its own page's navigation. Also, if more than one game was using that page, there'd be even more linked to the wrong ToCs. O_o -  najzere T 07:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ? Header navs definitely should not have double ToC links, and fighting games of a series shouldn't have issues with a shared ToC, as all of the characters will be the same (some with missing characters, some with additional characters). -- 20:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Fighting games stuff
Yeah, I'll add the navs to the pages when I'm done. And if you want to use to bot to fix the spelling of Desperation that would be good too, I'll see if I can fix any other inconsistency. (BackLash 12:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC))
 * How about the naming? Should they all say "Moves" at the end? Just let me know the exact name you want to use for each one so I can do it all in one sweep. - najzere T 18:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Image Uploads
Sorry for the inconvenience!~ Next time i will put the abbreviation of MapleStory. (MS)

--Spadow 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Temple of Time
This is the correct name. So yeah, those links need to be changed back.--IsaacGS 17:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response! — najzere T 17:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, i have been out of town for the last 2 weeks and i still have 2 more weeks of traveling ahead. Yes, all instances of "Timeless temple" should be changed to "Temple of Time", this is the official name from GlobalMS, which is what we use for English name sources when two different english versions have different translations.--IsaacGS 22:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I already went ahead and cleaned up that move, but thanks for the confirmation. I think I saw a recent edit where someone changed the pipe back to Timeless Temple though, but I'll let you guys sort that out. Cheers, — najzere T 22:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

The Dog Island images
Just wondering, do you want any help making Dog Island images? I'd be happy to make some now since I'm gonna do that movie walkthrough. Could we have images in the table of non-supporting characters, do you think? 10:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a little worried about the fuzziness of some of the Catz character images, but anything's better than nothing. We can always upload a new version if we can get our hands on a higher quality picture. I moved the minor characters to a table because they're not really notable, and pictures of random dogs doesn't really add anything. Also, I was thinking of taking out the locations that are just in cutscenes, since that's a pretty pointless note. I was thinking we could either make an exception for Doluk (since he's not seen anywhere else), or just mention it in his description. — najzere T 10:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, I uploaded a better version of that Bernard image on GSW. If you want I could upload it here too. 13:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I have made some kind-of good quality images of some on the minor characters. Take this one of Lesley for example. And also those ones of Sayori, Isaki and Bill that I just added. The only thing is it's hard to get pictures of characters who are inside... 19:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The two reasons I'm against pictures for the minor characters, is that 1) it's pointless since you don't even need to interact with them, and 2) it's impossible to get high quality pictures for all of them, as they're not all in cutscenes. Anyway, the table was to reduce the length of the page, and adding images that will be big enough to make out what they are defeats that purpose. Also, what do you think about getting rid of the locations that are just cutscenes? — najzere T 19:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, technically YOU put that there were nameless dogs in cutscenes on the table, so we should have them in the list of places there. Otherwise it's just like they don't exist, as there's places for all the other nameless dogs. Also, would you like me to re-upload some of the images Cadence uploaded of the characters? As in the ones that were taken from a TV screen, and just until we can get ones from cut-scenes. 07:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what you mean in the first part, but do you have an opinion on getting rid of the places that are just in cutscenes? I've seen Cadence's images briefly, and yes, they need a lot of replacement, renaming and categorizing. Unfortunately there is an incredible backlog of unpatrolled edits since I took a four day vacation, so I haven't gotten to them yet (still on June 28's edits I think). — najzere T 07:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically, I think we should leave them there (you are talking about places with nameless dogs, right?) because otherwise it's like the dogs just don't exist. And it does say "behind counters at inns or in cutscenes" (or something like that) on the table anyway. 08:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You're the first one to say anything about nameless dogs. I'm talking about anywhere on the page, on any character, not listing a location if they're only there in a cutscene, because it's highly trivial. — najzere T 15:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought that was only nameless dogs anyway... oh! I see what you mean now. You mean not saying, for example, that Dr. Potan is in Green Meadows? And also, wow, we're almost halfway across your talk page ;). 15:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

SuperSonicRider and the DeviantArt Image
I replied to the comment you left earlier on my talk page. --SSRider 11:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Dark Law
Thank you so much on re-editing the Status effect, It looks way much better without the table XD

I will try to keep editing with new things I encounter on Dark Law. For one thing, I found a weapon that can be use as a item, so now I'm kinda wondering to put it in the weapon section or item section, maybe even both. XD BrokenDream 17:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, thanks for adding that data! For the item/weapon, I'd just put it wherever a reader would be most likely to look for it. Good luck! — najzere T 05:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Multiple Upload Page
Hi Najzere, I was wondering if you knew what happened to the Multiple Upload Page? (BackLash 10:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC))
 * The multiple upload extension had a bug where it would overwrite existing files without any warning, however the new 1.02 version claims to have fixed that, so I'll bring it up in the staff lounge and see if anyone wants to reimplement it. It's a beta extension though, so stability may still be an issue. — najzere T 15:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup
My apologies for making you cleanup after my edits but I am trying my best to improve my edits here and most of the pages don't need help and I am running out of articles to edit or improve on.(Noryb989 23:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC))
 * Like I said on your talk page, there is plenty to do on the Cleanup project page, if you're just looking for anything. For the specific guides you work on, I'd suggest making sure all the walkthrough pages conform to the same styles, meaning they are all laid out the same way and use the same formatting for different things, like capitalization, bolding, etc. Hope that helps, — najzere T 23:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay I'll give it a try.(Noryb989 23:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC))

After Years Images
Thanks for adding in those images to the guide pages in After Years. I was actually planning on doing exactly the same thing when I got the core game content finished. :D  — TheTwantalk 18:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, I just wanted to help out since you're doing such an awesome job on the guide. Keep up the good work! — najzere T 18:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Combat Arms NX Items
This is about the Combat Arms game article. Lately people have been editing to add a lot of Black Market content, which is how the game gets money. These are certain guns and equipment that you buy with real money. I don't think a strategy guide ought to contain this kind of stuff...

It also gets slightly annoying because Nexon, the game company, likes to take the regular guns, modify them slightly, stick a CAMO or MOD or SE or TR at the end of the name, and make it a Black Market item. And this clogs up the gun pages with unnecessary sections (ex there is a P90, a P90 TR, a P90 SE, a P90 CAMO, a P90 SE CAMO, possibly a P90 SE TR CAMO, there are probably ten more gun series like this).

So I'm asking if it's plausible to just delete all the Black Market related stuff from the pages, and somehow prevent people from adding it back. A strategy guide shouldn't be telling people to spend money...or something along those lines =\

compymasax 18:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, there's no way to stop people from adding it, it will just have to be reverted every time someone does. What I would suggest is just noting how the Black Market stuff works somewhere in the guide, and then putting a couple editing notes at the tops of pages telling editors not to put Black Market stuff in. There's really not much else we can do to prevent it. Also, if it's a user and not an IP, we can let them know on their talk page. —  najzere T 18:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Images
Thanks for catching that. Uploading images and their categories is one of the things I'm really unfamiliar with. It is always a relief to know there are other people keeping an eye out for things that are amiss.--Zaiqukaj 17:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, we all look out for the wiki and that's why it's so great! Images can be tough anyway, since it's the one place you can't show preview to make sure it's how you wanted. I'm pretty anal about the upload log though, so don't worry. :D — najzere T 17:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Request
If the recent changes log isn't too long, all MapleStory references of "Knights of Cygnus" (except for a blurb about its original name) need to be changed to "Cygnus Knights" per English naming convention. I'll probably start on it tonight or tomorrow after I review the rest of the latest MS changes. Thanks, -- 01:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)