User talk:Namcorules/Archive2

Archived discussions from December 2006 to June 2011 can now be located at User talk:Namcorules/Archive1. Namcorules 15:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Before anyone decides to discuss anything on this new talk page...
...I would just like to make an apology to Prod and Procyon for demanding that they undid the pagemoves they performed on the guide for Namco's first 16-bit game, for not being familiar with the site's official policy for Japanese games being listed under their English names, and for boring them with a "ridiculous" in-depth explanation of two obscure cartoon series that nobody outside of the United Kingdom, Spain, and possibly Australia would care about. I only hope that they can forgive me too! Namcorules 16:00, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * NR, it's OK, there's little reason to apologize for all this stuff, but we do appreciate the thought. Naming guides incorrectly, or talking about something you really enjoyed watching are hardly offenses. What Prod and I really want you to understand however, is how to become a better author. When a user comes to our site, seeking advice on how to play a game that you have written about, such as Assault, Beraboh Man, Märchen Maze, Ordyne, Metal Hawk, Splatterhouse, and Valkyrie no Densetsu, and they see a giant wall of text with no images or paragraph breaks, and with untranslated Japanese text, they might say to themselves, "This isn't the kind of help I was looking for, I'll go and look somewhere else." We want them to say, "Wow, this is exactly what I was looking for, I'm going to come back to StrategyWiki every time I need help." That's what we're trying to help you with, to write guides that help the people who visit this site. We haven't banned you because you haven't done anything wrong.  Not listening to our advice isn't really a bannable offense.  But if we do give you advice, it's only because we want to help you, not make your life harder. I hope you'll take all of this to heart.  Pro  cyon  17:50, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I hope I can take all of this to heart, as the main reason I decided to include Japanese text in the guide for the Valkyrie no Bouken sequel is so any other MAMErs who decide to take a look at it will be able to answer the Nazonazo Phantom and Sphinmoth's multiple-choice questions correctly on the fourth and seventh stages of the game. As I have mentioned in their section on the guide's "Getting Started" page, a knowledge of both main Japanese syllabic writing systems (or a memorization of the questions' answers) is essential to it. I also tried to translate the text with the Google Translator, but it only romanized it. Namcorules 16:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Pac-Mania
None of the edits that occurred to the Getting Started page qualified as vandalism. You have to remember that StrategyWiki is a collaborative web site. Anyone may choose to modify the contents of a page as long as they are doing it in "good faith," meaning their intention is to genuinely improve the page, not vandalize it. You cannot claim "ownership" of a guide or particular pages on this site. If you strongly disagree with some of the changes made to a page that you have once edited, quietly correct them and don't worry about it. I sincerely hope you won't have any problems when I begin to edit some of your guides.  Pro cyon  18:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am fully aware of the fact that I cannot claim "ownership" of a guide or particular pages on this site; however, the edit that I corrected yesterday had not only referred to Namco's signature character as "she" in Pinky's section (along with Pinky himself), but it also referred to Spunky as "she" in his section when he, too, is of the male gender. Everyone should know that Sue is the only female member of the ghost gang! Namcorules 13:41, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's actually somewhat incorrect, although it depends on when you're talking about. Namco of America officially designated Pinky as a female around the time that Pac-Man World came out, so that could lead to some confusion.  Anyway, in all honesty, I know you care a lot about it, and that's fine, but sometimes you just have to accept that some people are going to think differently than you, or have different opinions, and that's ok.  If you feel strongly about it, go ahead and change it back.  Otherwise, don't worry about it too much.  Focus on what you think is important, and keep doing what makes you happy.   Pro  cyon  16:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The time I am talking about is when Namco of Japan originally created the character in 1980 A.D., and all four original members of the ghost gang were assumed to be male. However, when their US distributor, Midway Games created the unauthorised sequel Ms. Pac-Man in the following year, they replaced Clyde with another orange ghost (the aforementioned Sue, whose colour was later changed to purple in Pac-Land to differentiate her from Clyde). The Pac-Man cartoon series produced by the H-B Corporation (who are more famous for The Flintstones, Top Cat, The Jetsons and Scooby Doo), also reflected the fact that Pinky was a male by giving him a gruff voice and a tough-guy personality. Namcorules 09:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

SC V?
Can I start the Soul Calibur V page Namco? --Passiondragon23 15:15, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Why ask me? I'm not an administrator on this site, and probably never will be. I'm just a British MAME user who decided to sign up with this site in 2006 because I thought I possessed far too much knowledge about one of the largest videogame-developing entities in Japan (along with the earlier years of their 2 United States distributors as a result of it) to keep to myself. So, yes, go ahead with creating that page if you want to. Namcorules 15:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Something I think you'd be interested in
Hey there Namcorules. Since you seem to have much knowledge of Namco's arcade titles, I was wondering if you'd like to take a read of this fan-concept for "the perfect Namco Museum title".

Link

Enjoy. Superjustinbros. 03:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I followed your link to your weblog, Superjustinbros., and read your post from top to bottom - but tell me, how would some of the games on the third floor bump the PEGI rating up to 13+? And by the way, you forgot to include Blazer, Final Lap, World Stadium, Beraboh Man, Metal Hawk, World Court, Splatterhouse, Mirai Ninja, Face Off, Phelios, Winning Run, Dirt Fox, Finest Hour, Four Trax, Winning Run Suzuka GP, Dangerous Seed, Marvel Land, Galaxian³, Kyūkai Dōchūki, Final Lap 2, Pistol Daimyo no Bōken, Steel Gunner, Golly! Ghost!, Starblade, Solvalou, Steel Gunner 2, Golly! Ghost! 2, Suzuka 8 Hours, Bakuretsu Quiz Ma-Q no Daibōken, Final Lap 3, FA, Cosmo Gang the Puzzle, Exvania, Super World Court, Knuckle Heads, Lucky and Wild, Air Combat, Net-tō! Geki-tō! Quiz-tō!!, Numan Athletics, Ridge Racer, Great Sluggers, Tinkle Pit, Nebula's Ray, Great Sluggers '94, J-League Soccer V-Shoot, Gun Bullet, Ridge Racer 2, Ace Driver, The Outfoxies, Mach Breakers, Air Combat 22, Xevious 3D/G, Cyber Commando, Alpine Racer, Rave Racer, Dunk Mania, Soul Edge, Prime Goal EX, Prop Cycle, Soul Calibur, and Aqua Rush in your game lineup. Namcorules 15:25, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added some of your recommendations to the list, some of which I had intended to add before but got a little carried away writing the list that I forgot to insert them. Some of the ones you listed above were already on the list prior to the update, such as Beraboh Man/Bravoman.
 * Its name was only changed to "Bravoman" when it was ported to the North American TurboGrafx-16 in 1990! Namcorules 16:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

The reason why I had stated that some of the games would "bump up" the PEGI age rating to T/13+ if this ever became a commercial release was because of several reasons, the most notable I can think of off the bat were Wonder Momo's "panty shots" and Yōkai Dōchūki's heavy religious theme.
 * Nice job putting Namco's last eight-bit game and their first sixteen-bit game next to each other there! Namcorules 16:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * As for the other games I have not included, here are their reasons.


 * World Stadium, World Court, Face Off, Kyūkai Dōchūki, Super World Court, Numan Athletics, Great Sluggers, League Soccer V-Shoot, Mach Breakers, Dunk Mania, Prime Goal EX, Prop Cycle - All sports games. Not that I have anything against sports games, but I just feel that this collection would be better off without those.
 * Splatterhouse - I heard the game, which starred a Jason Voorhees lookalike, got negative reviews on various websites. But that's just according to my knowledge. I just don't have much desire to include Splatterhouse.
 * Four Trax, Suzuka 8 Hours, Lucky and Wild, Ridge Racer, Ace Driver, Alpine Racer - Pole Position and Final Lap, along with their two and three sequels, both have essentially the same gameplay to these titles. And I feel as if there are enough racing games in this collection. Yeah, I'm a big fan of racing games, but still.
 * Galaxian³, Attack of the Zolgear, Solvalou and Xevious 3D/G - There are enough shooters in this collection.
 * Steel Gunner, Steel Gunner 2, Golly! Ghost!, Golly! Ghost! 2 - All of these games, the second two of which were electro-mechanical/videogame hybrids, used the external-light-gun-mounted-onto-console control format.
 * Cosmo Gang: The Puzzle - This collection already has two versions of the Sega Genesis/Super Famicom title Pac-Attack, which CGTP's gameplay had inspired (and replaced the Cosmo Gang characters with Pac-Man ones).
 * Knuckle Heads, Tekken, The Outfoxies, Soul Edge, Soul Calibur - All "versus" fighting games. While I do enjoy playing them from time to time, the feeling to feature these is the same as with the sports titles.
 * Bakuretsu Quiz Ma-Q Daibōken, Net-tō! Geki-tō! Quiz-tō!! - I quote the Angry Video Game Nerd: "Quizzes aren't fun! Quizzes make you feel like you're in school!" (He obviously didn't learn to read Japanese!)


 * Anyway, thank you for your time. Superjustinbros. 03:03, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Because I am a native inhabitant of the United Kingdom, I am not familiar with the quotes of the Angry Video Game Nerd; but as I have mentioned in brackets above, he obviously has not learnt to read Japanese, which must be the reason why he thinks that quiz games aren't "fun" and make him feel like he is "back in school". The Nazonazo Phantom, from the fourth stage of Valkyrie no Densetsu, would also ask one of three multiple-choice questions when you met up with him - if you answered it correctly, he would give you four circles on your magic meter, but if you answered it incorrectly, he would take a full life-heart from you. Sphinmoth, however, only had a single multiple-choice question to ask when you met up with him at the end of the seventh stage; if you selected answer A, he would lift up his left leg to reveal a hidden staircase leading to a secret room where you would be drawn into a fight with two Purple Goblins, two Blue Kaokkusu and two red versions of the Tarosu. However, if you selected to answer B, he would lift up his right leg to reveal another hidden staircase leading to another secret room where you would be treated to each of the game cutscenes in a scrambled format - but if you selected answer C, he would not lift either of his legs up and you would be forced to replay the entire stage again, meaning that selecting answer C was not good. Namcorules 16:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * By "quiz games", I meant the ones where the whole game was nothing but answering questions. Valkyrie no Densetsu was an exception to this rule, given that it was more of a basic overhead-view platformer/shooter. Superjustinbros. 05:08, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Therefore, you must be referring to Bakuretsu Quiz Ma-Q no Daibōken, Net-tō! Geki-tō! Quiz-tō!!, Kosodate Quiz My Angel and Derby Quiz My Dream Horse (the last two of which I did not mention above). Namcorules 13:50, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Editing other people's comments
I noticed your discussion above with Superjustinbros, and would just like to point out that it's impolite to modify other people's comments on a talk page. By changing their comments you may inadvertently change what they mean. -- Prod (Talk) 18:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologise if I have offended you by doing it, Prod - and I will try not to do it again in the future. Namcorules 14:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Dangerous Seed pages
Hi NR. You do not have to worry, I was not at all offended by the inclusion of all the 16-bit titles. I just felt that it wasn't something that the average reader would be able to appreciate. Few people have the same love for all things Namco that you do. To be honest, I think it would be cool if you started a Namco wiki, since you are definitely a wealth of Namco information. While a lot of that information is in-scope for StrategyWiki, some of it is not. If you started a Namco wiki, you could house the additional information there. As for the Dangerous Seed pages, Prod has expressed some concern about deleting the original walkthrough pages too soon, but I will take a look and see if in fact there's no more reason to keep them around any more.

One last thing. I happen to notice that when you type, you have a tendency to add an extra M or N to the end of words sometimes. For example, you type "themm" when you mean "them," or "suddenn" when you mean "sudden". Which browser do you edit with? Because if you use Firefox, it will underline misspelled words for you and make it easier for you to correct them. If you have a chance, go through some of your pages, and see if you can spot your redoubled "M"s and "N"s. Thanks.  Pro cyon  17:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I cannot help the fact that a lot of my consonants are being involuntarily redoubled at the moment - given that I am editing from Internet Explorer on an old laptop (which is also used by my Mum, Dad and sister), a lot of the keys are not as responsive as they used to be. It is also not easy to notice that your consonants are being involuntary redoubled at the end of words when you are using MAME as a visual aid for a guide. Namcorules 14:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry NR. Please understand that I'm not trying to be mean or single you out here, but I simply don't accept that explanation as an excuse. You know that I write a lot of guides, and I know how difficult it is to proof read my work while I am writing, but I make an effort to do so, so you should too. The other thing that is weird about your explanation is that I don't see any examples of when M and N are doubled up in the middle of your words, only the end. You can fix this problem if you want to. If you decide you simply don't want to, that says something about how important the quality of your work is to you.  Pro  cyon  14:59, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * You're not going to ban me for this, are you? Because it's not as if these redoublings are my own fault. Namcorules 15:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * A) No one will ever get banned for making typos.
 * B) The typos are ultimately your responsibility, as they are part of your contributions, even if you claim the hardware is at fault.
 * C) What did Prod tell you about altering other people's posts? ;)  Pro cyon  16:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * He told me that by changing their comments I may inadvertently change what they mean - I forgot. ;( Namcorules 16:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Galaga '88 walkthrough
Hi NR. I know you're not going to like this very much, but I am considering rolling back the changes you made to Galaga '88/Walkthrough. I am considering this, not because what you wrote is bad, but because what was there was better, and much easier to read. It's one thing when there's no existing content on a page, and what you add can be considered a start. But you took a well-formatted page, and turned it into another block of text. I'm going to rollback the changes, and what I'd like you to do is to find a way to enhance the existing information rather than simply replacing it. Let me know if you have any problems, or would like some suggestions.  Pro cyon  15:40, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm not going to roll it back, particularly because a) I don't know what information you took from that page and added to Galaga '88/Getting Started and because b) you look like the original author of the previous revision, at least according to the history. If you were the original author, I want to say that the first version of that page is much better than what you ended up replacing it with.  If you can at all get it back to the way the first version looked, I would appreciate it.  Thanks.   Pro  cyon  15:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised you didn't notice I have requested for "Image:G8 Hiyori.gif" should be renamed to "Image:G8 Hiyoko.gif"! Namcorules 14:42, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

For the last time...
...none of the pages on this site are "my" pages. Just like none of the pages on StrategyWiki are "your" pages. It doesn't matter who starts a page, ANYONE is free to edit ANY page. There is no ownership of work on StrategyWiki. You don't need permission or forgiveness to edit a page. No one needs your permission to edit a page that you created. Please understand this.  Pro cyon  16:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * When have I ever said that any of the pages on the site were "my" pages? And I am also fully aware of the fact that nobody needs my permission to edit a page that I created (which explains why the ghosts' names and genders on Pac-Mania's "Getting Started" keep being changed occasionally), but I thought that because you were an Administrator, I did need your permission to edit a page that you had created. By the way, I knew you would have some kind of problem with me inserting the fact that Super Pac-Man was the first game from Namco to use a Motorola M6809 microprocessor into the Getting Started page of the original Pac-Man - in fact, it used two, and six other Namco games used that hardware setup between 1983 and 1985. Namcorules 15:49, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * People with administrative privileges are no different than any other user, they're just trusted with additional permissions to fight vandalism and keep things running smoothly. Every user should be editing in good faith to improve the quality of the guides to help everyone. -- Prod (Talk) 16:13, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Hardware specs
Hi NR. Hardware specs, such as which arcade was the first to use which processor, are out of scope for StrategyWiki. It's appropriate for Wikipedia, but this is not the kind of information our visitors come to look for. The only place where it is acceptable to mention this information is very briefly on the introduction to a game, and only for that game. In other words, if you want to talk about Super Pac-Man's processors, please just put one sentence about it on the Super Pac-Man front page, and no where else in the guide. Please especially do not include hardware information about one game on another game's guide (e.g. talking about Super Pac-Man's hardware in the Ms. Pac-Man guide.) Thanks.  Pro cyon  22:40, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Pac-Land/Environments‎
I doubt that I need to inform you that I've been tracking all of the edits that you've done to the various Pac-Man pages and revising them. Until now, I've been content to simply proof read your edits and make any corrections I felt necessary. However, after reading the changes you made to Pac-Land/Environments‎, I have simply decided to revert the entire page, as the amount of grammatical mistakes I kept finding were simply too great for me to try and fix every single one. I was hoping that you'd examine the changes I made and learn from them, but since that doesn't seem to be the case, I will list some of the common issues that I continuously come across and correct. I do not want to discount or discard your contributions to the site, but I cannot approve of edits to existing content that add information at the expense of making them significantly harder to read or follow. You are welcome to edit Pac-Land/Environments‎ again, but if your edits continue to contain a large number of the errors listed above, I'm going to have to revert your work again. Please take all of this into consideration.  Pro cyon  19:11, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
 * By far, the number one most egregious issue is your insertion of commas where they absolutely don't belong. For example, in two consecutive sentences, you added the following commas:
 * "Some trees pass between Pac-Man_,_{1} and your view of him, but these obstructions are small_,_{2} and temporary."
 * "You should be more concerned_,_{3} about the ghosts_,_{4} whose positions are obscured by the trees"
 * You can't put the comma after "Pac-Man" because the sentence is trying to convey who the tress pass between. They pass between "Pac-Man and your view of him."  There is no break in that clause, it is one single object.
 * While technically you can put a comma between "small" and "and temporary" because it's a list of things, it's generally agreed upon that you shouldn't when the list is only composed of two items.
 * You definitely cannot put a comma between "concerned" and "about," that is absolutely incorrect. "Concerned about" is one single thought clause.
 * It is incorrect to put a comma between "ghosts" and "whose" because the "whose" is identifying which ghosts are the ones you need to be more concerned about. Putting a comma after ghosts changes the meaning of the sentence to the need to be concerned about ALL of the ghosts, because ALL of the ghosts are obscured by trees, and that is not a correct statement.
 * You cannot continuously reference where things came from. E.g. You already specified that the Lucky Pac symbol is an homage to the L Flag in New Rally X in the "Getting Started" page, and that is the appropriate place to put it.  You may not continue to point that out every single time the Lucky Pac symbol is mentioned.  Explain it once in the proper location, and no more.
 * There is extremely little value added to the guide by pointing out that the power pellets happen to work the same way as in all of the previous Pac-Man titles. It does not help the reader understand how they work any better than if the statement was not included.
 * Game summaries are meant to be just that: summaries. Summaries do not include every minute detail about a game.  Summaries only contain as much information as necessary to convey the basic concept of the game and no more.  Please stop padding the summaries with more and more information, unless you feel that something extremely important and obvious was missing.


 * You're not going to ban me for this, are you? Because if I have offended you with my edit, it was not my intention at all! Namcorules 15:50, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * You have not, nor would you ever, offend me with your edits.
 * Barring any malicious behavior on your part, which I would never expect from you, I can safely say that you are never going to be banned from this site.  Pro  cyon  15:56, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * In fairness, I should probably also say that, while I do not agree with all of the changes that you make to the guides, I do appreciate and see value in some of what you contribute. If I did not, I would have simply reverted every change that you made in their entirety.  Instead, I try to keep as much of your contributions as possible because there are pieces of information that you provide that are genuinely interesting.  It's just a matter of making a distinction between information that is useful versus information that decreases clarity.  I simply had too difficult of a time making those distinctions yesterday on Pac-Land/Environments‎, and concluded that I should communicate with you and give you another attempt at editing the page.   Pro  cyon  16:04, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

More advice
Hi NR. I just finished reviewing the edits to Pac-Land/Walkthrough, and they were very much improved. You do appear to insert more words than are necessary. Here are a few more tips.
 * You seem to add a lot of commas before the word "so," but this is correct only in some cases and not others. For example, if you say, "If you do A then B will occur, so do C," it is appropriate to put a comma before so since you are introducing a new clause.  However, if you say "Do A so that B occurs," it is not correct to put a comma before so, as it is explaining the reason behind doing A.
 * Similarly, there is no need to put a comma before "if" as it conveys more of the sentence subject. For example, "do A if you want B."  You should not put a comma before "if" because placing one there breaks the singular clause into two separate (even if related) concepts.
 * You see to like to convert verbs from the simple present tense (e.g. perform) to the future continuous tense (e.g. will be performing), but this doesn't make the guide any clearer. Readers understand that the guide is written from the perspective that the action is happening in the present.  If you put it in the future tense, they may not understand to expect that behavior to occur as they are playing, but some time in the future.
 * You also like to break contractions (e.g. don't) into their constituent parts (e.g. do not). While there's nothing wrong with this, there's nothing wrong with contractions.  Unless there is an obvious grammatical error with the contractions, it's usually more polite to leave the original author's style in place.  Once again, that is polite, but not required.
 * Finally, there are certain things that you seem to point out continuously that really aren't necessary. For example, it should be obvious to any reader who read the rest of the guide that Sue is the only ghost without a hat.  It's not necessary to continue pointing that out, and it might potentially insult the intelligence of the reader.  Furthermore, spelling out obvious consequences of an action, such as if you run out of time, you will lose a life, is also not necessary since you can largely assume that the reader already knows this, either through experience, or by reading the appropriate section of the guide about time.  Pro  cyon  19:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * If you run out of time in Pac-Land, Pac-Man will not die automatically; he will only die if Sue catches up with him. Namcorules 15:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * And that's why you drive me nuts sometimes...  Pro cyon  16:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, I've never said anything like that about you, Pro! Yes, I may have bored you when I pointed out that Babasama from Valkyrie no Densetsu looked like a character from a show that only Britons and Spaniards have heard of six months ago, but I have never said anything like that about you or any of the other administrators because it's not in my nature!Namcorules 16:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC)