User talk:Procyon

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Thanks for deleting File:Ultima iv moongates diagram.png. I was not sure how to request deletion. The svg version looks much better. HighInBC (talk) 00:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Virtual console vs system category
Hi Proc, I'm just looking for some logistical support. So on main game pages where a retro game has been re-released for the Wii U Virtual Console, we have also been categorizing it under the Wii U. However, now I am re-thinking this. I feel like the Wii U category should be reserved for non-Virtual Console games only (i.e. modern physical releases and their digital counterparts). Because right now we have retro games appearing in the Wii U category, when I think they should only appear in the Wii U Virtual Console category. That way, the two lists of games are separate. I can see how someone might argue that the Wii U VC games are on the Wii U, but if we split it out there won't be redundancy. Thoughts? Before I do more RodKimble cleanup I would like to have a firm strategy. -- 18:36, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, I completely agree with you that VC games are not Wii U games, and having them in a separate category would be the best approach. The problem I have, however, is what happens when Nintendo makes a new system, say the Wii U Me, or the 4DS, and they start re-releasing all these same games for the new system.  Do we have to constantly update the info boxes with more and more release info?  I wish it were sufficient to label all VC games under one category, but then I realize that, for example, some VC games only appeared on one device, and not others, so we need to have some way to make it clear to the user which system they're available on.  It's kind of a mess.  Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent to your original question.  I definitely say no to the general Wii U category, and yes to something else, I just wish it didn't have to be a separate VC category for every system a game was ever released on...   Pro  cyon  04:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Great, I can continue working on the cleanup. Good point about the common category. That brings up another category that I've been using to compliment the virtual console categories and hopefully fix that problem in the future. Category:Nintendo eShop is the distribution service common to 3DS and Wii U VC.
 * So we have three categories: one for each virtual 'console', and one for the common service. Why have the virtual console categories for 3DS and Wii U VC at all then? Well - they do not have 100% of the same games. Most of the time they do, and it's hard to verify this just through Wikipedia links or online text resources, but there are exceptions. I think mobile games (GB/GBA) are less likely to end up on the Wii U VC. But who knows, they could unify their platform completely (a smart strategy for the future of game companies) so that both lists are the same.
 * Honestly, without comparing two active lists of what can be downloaded from both consoles (3DS and Wii U), we won't know when the lists match each other. Also, the Wii U often had access to the Nintendo eShop releases a few years later than the 3DS. Obviously, this is because the Wii U was released later. One thing we should compare are the release dates shown for Wii U VC - if every game was released on the same day, then no work was involved in the 'release' - the Wii U just had access to the eShop library all at the same time. -- 16:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * On second thought, it may be best to do away with the Nintendo eShop category (however, we should have some description of it, right? Or maybe just WP: link it to the Wikipedia article?). Nintendo may never unify their home console with their portable. I figure that their strategy is to keep the two markets separate so that mobile gamers have an incentive to keep buying new consoles. If they put the mobile games on the Wii U, they may be less inclined to buy the mobile console. I mean, at this point it sounds like a dumb strategy to me. What I would do is make the next mobile console the controller for the Wii 3, since the tablet they included has great functionality but would be even better if you could take it on the road (and not have battery problems). Unified platforms are what I'm looking forward to. I might actually buy a modern console then. It will also keep the game industry alive, since high end PCs are superior to consoles and services like Steam are making console unnecessary - until Windows/Mac OS adds remote tablet functionality (unlikely). -- 17:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of arcade cabinet 'multi-carts'
Hi Proc, just found out about cabinets that were collections of games from other platforms but not exclusive to arcades, e.g. wp:PlayChoice-10. Can we add these under the same criteria as multi-carts and compilations? -- 05:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, sorry, the thoughts that follow are kind of jumbled because this is a weird topic. The way I see these kinds of cabinets is more like Category:MAME, in that the games primarily belong to one category, but can also be subcategorized under another.  Take PlayChoice-10 (PC10) specifically.  Some NES cartridges were converted and made available for play on PC10, but only a small percentage.  (In fact, the very first time I played Super Mario Bros. 3 was on a PC10, I was so excited to find it on one I nearly peed my pants...)  Compare PC10 to Nintendo's VS system; Vs. Super Mario Bros. is specifically an arcade game, not an NES game.  Whereas Super Mario Bros. was made available for play on PC10.  So SMB could receive the category of "PlayChoice-10" in addition to "NES", but not, I would argue, "Arcade".  (PC10 itself could have the NES and Arcade categories.)  So if a game was published in PC10 format (or Mega-Tech or wp:Nintendo Super System) it certainly deserves to have a category indicating that, but those systems themselves are not necessarily multi-carts or compilations.  The games which appeared in each PC10 was up to the individual owner's discretion, much like the Neo-Geo MVS cabinets.  See what I mean?   Pro  cyon  13:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok so you're saying Vs. Duck Hunt may have unique features to Duck Hunt (this is the page that brought up the PC10), although at this point I have no evidence, or content, that we should split it from Duck Hunt. -- 14:55, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I haven't heavily explored the difference between Duck Hunt and Vs. Duck Hunt, but what little investigation I've done suggests that the changes are mostly cosmetic, so I would definitely keep them together. Pro cyon  15:24, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You're also saying that the PC10 is actually a 'console' with NES games published to it. With that in mind, then I am ok with using a system category for the PC10. Thanks! -- 14:55, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Kind of, the PC10 was basically a 'console' (NES) stuffed inside an arcade cabinet. The typical indication of this is when your money buys time instead of lives or a single run of a game.  The ROMs weren't programmed with the notion of credits, or ceasing to read player input when one game was over.  So the manufacturer limits the time you get to play since the game would otherwise allow the player to play indefinitely, as if they were playing at home.
 * Just to hammer the point home, Vs. Duck Hunt lets you play for as long as you can, and ends when the game is officially over, while Duck Hunt on the PC10 let you play as many games as you could within the allotted time, and ended the game as soon as the time was over, regardless of how well you were doing (although I believe they gave you ten seconds to insert more coins for more time... something like that). All this talk about PC10 is making me think of doing something I shouldn't do...  Pro  cyon  15:24, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Aha, thanks for the details. I would love to see a picture of the cartridges that fit into the board, although they are probably just unlabeled circuit boards? Although that would be an awesome buy, I don't think wasting your money on collectors items is beneficial to StrategyWiki or your gaming habits. I'm sure you already have a MAME cabinet - why not set up an emulator cabinet? -- 23:54, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Lol, to be honest with you, I have more devices for emulation than I know what to do with. My MAME PC does emulate other systems besides arcades, but these days, that's the one I use the least.  My laptop is fully loaded, I have two Android phones (one is the Xperia Play) and three Android tablets (two with integrated physical controls) that are completely hooked up, I have the Nexus Player partially set up, and both my Wii and Wii U are soft modded to run emulators... so... it's kind of ridiculous.  Btw, playchoice.riemen.net is a great resource for info about PC10 games (including photos of the PCBs) and VS System games.   Pro  cyon  01:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon shared guide naming
Hi Proc, we have a doozy of a naming conflict here: Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Keep Going! Blazing Adventure Squad, Let's Go! Stormy Adventure Squad, and Go For It! Light Adventure Squad (the current page doesn't even use the correct, full title of the first game). I am thinking that the common name here, unused in the other games, is the 'Adventure Squad' part, so I was thinking of naming it Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Adventure Squad. Then we can redirect the individual game names and forget about this crazy mish mash of names. What do you think? -- 23:08, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I named it like this to match the other games, where we have the main title, and then all the subtitles. I think they're missing '!', but are the names incomplete some other way? -- Prod (talk) 01:18, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ugh, this one gives me a headache. So according to wp:Pokémon_Mystery_Dungeon, these games were never released outside of Japan, which means the names we provided are unofficial approximations.  Interestingly, wp:List_of_Mystery_Dungeon_video_games provides the untranslated names.  Even so, I would almost prefer to group them under Pokemon Mystery Dungeon (WiiWare) with the appropriate redirects (Confirmed Japanese names and approximate English translations).  No matter which way we choose, I don't think the existing article name is functional.   Pro  cyon  14:12, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If those aren't the official names of the games, we should change it and follow our Japanese naming conventions, but I don't think it's going to make the ridiculous page title much easier :P -- Prod (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I went ahead with Procyon's suggested simplification since my idea did not get support. Redirects are in place, looks fine. -- 23:48, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Loosely related Pac-Man titles
I am looking at Puckman Pockimon and Hyper Pac-Man. These two games are non-canonical spin-offs or clones from other companies than Namco. I would prefer to have information about them on the Pac-Man category, but not have the pages categorized with them (since they are not part of the series), and with a 'Loosely related' section of Pac-Man. Thoughts? I feel like, yes these are solo-games, but since they are basically Pac-Man games, information about them should be somewhere and they could be categorized under the Pac-Man series if we explain why. -- 17:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I dunno, crossing this line feels like, if you start to include games like that, where do you draw the line? Do Mouse Trap, Lock'n'Chase, and other games like K.C. Munchkin belong in that list?  I'd rather see all of those game categorized in its own type of category like Category:Maze.  Then we can illustrate the fact that they have similar gameplay, without polluting the essence of what officially belongs in the Pac-Man category.  You know what I mean?  Solve one problem while avoiding another.   Pro  cyon  19:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * As the original creator of the two guides mentioned above, I should add my thoughts; they could be mentioned in an "Unofficial sequels" section of the Pac-Man series category and template (along with Pac-Man's Revenge and Twinkle), but Lady Bug, Lock'n'Chase, Mouse Trap, and K.C. Munchkin do not belong in that list given that they only feature gameplay that is similar to that of the Pac-Man series, not its characters. Also, thank you for reverting today's Pinky-gender-change edit (something I hate) on the original Pac-Man's Getting Started page. Namcorules (talk) 16:30, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel this is like categorizing LoL as Category:DotA. I think maybe mentioning the "spinoff" games on the category should be fine, and linking to pacman from those games makes a lot of sense. But, definitely not categorization. Perhaps a new category could be created (similar to MOBA), but I don't think it's necessary. -- Prod (talk) 21:36, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry
Hey Procyon, sorry for what I did and I've talked to the creater of this website and me and him have known each other for 4 months now, I told him everything I did and everything everyone else did and he wanted you to aploigize to me I will just tell him you did by texting him he said to call him if he needs to be back here or text him if everythings fine and stop messing with my edits you and Prod and he wants me to tale care of what belongs in the Wii U/3DS/Wii and Wii U VC/3DS VC/Wii VC and F-Zero Climax needs to be changed to F-Zero: Climax lastly he wants you all to put Super Mario Bros. 2 a featured article since someone took it off the voting list. Thanks for listening and if you have any questions about this ask him yourself and he will tell you the same thing -- RodKimble (talk) 19:32, 14 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Brandon Suit or Echelon -- RodKimble (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * How would I know his secret name I've only known him for 4 months -- RodKimble (talk) 20:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * But he never told me his secret name and even if he did i wouldn't remember what he said. -- RodKimble (talk) 20:07, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I will try but I don't think he will get back to me because I've only known him for 4 months and why would he tell me something secret only you and Prod know anyways. -- RodKimble (talk) 20:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Please tell me you and Prod didn't come up with this little game and it took him more than 4 hours to reply to me so I don't know what else to do to show you I shouldn't be banned from this website this is the only wiki that I've been on and I actually like -- RodKimble (talk) 20:46, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Please Read
Hello Procyon, I just wanted to say sorry for lying and saying I was going to have this website shut down please look in your heart to forgive me and this is last thing I'm going to say about the virtual console everyone is saying there backwards compatible with the Wii U console nothing about the virtual console is mentioned in this website that I was at I'm just asking if I can put a couple of those titles on the Wii U category please again look into your heart to allow me to do this change the only change I ask and the only reason I'm fighting for this change is if you met me I'm a big Nintendo fan I hope you will allow the change because I would like to stay on this wiki everyone on here is so nice but because so much problems with my family arguing at the time I wasn't thinking at the moment and just wanted to take it out on someone and shouldn't have taken it out on you or Prod. Again hope you and Prod will allow the change. :) -- RodKimble (talk) 23:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Goodbye nice meeting everyone
I just realized that I've missed so much of my life by being on this wiki Procyon so is there a way to delete my account? -- RodKimble (talk) 20:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know Procyon -- RodKimble (talk) 22:14, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Ninja Gaiden
Hey Proc, I didn't know there was a separate guide for the NES version. That was my first time playing Ninja Gaiden as an a adult and I often do not write about games on my first playthrough. I wrote Acts 5 and 6 based on the NES version. Thanks for catching the mixup. Why can't the two versions be combined? -- 23:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I moved my content from the arcade to the NES pages. -- 03:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

SW:Guide completion alt name/redirect overflow
Hi Proc, so we have a case at Guide completion where the Atari 8-bit list is considered complete, and we have a 100% guide existence for them. However, the table breaks because additional alternate names exist. These have been tagged with the game's category, thus inflating the category's total above the actual number of games. There are two cases for this inflation: regional alternate name, like a japanese name when an English one was published, and legitimate alternate titles like Pengon. I think the solution is to just add both of these types of alternates to the official list, but it would make sense to have a standard for them, either with italics (since they are redirects), or parentheses next to them to denote how they tie in to the original game. -- 06:22, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey NMH. I think there's two general issues here, one easy and one hard.  The easy one is: The 8-bit Atari family has WAY more than a little over a hundred titles, it's more like in the thousands.  Our list is simply incomplete.  But yeah, you've identified the hard one, and it will bite NES in the ass sooner or later.  It's too bad we can't omit redirects from the calculation, that would solve everything.  Outside of that, your proposal is the best solution I can see.  I think the italics approach should be suitable.  It matches exactly what the Category pages do.  It's just kind of unfortunate because now some games have greater weight than others, and the number changes from "the number of games available" to "the number of titles published."  Pro  cyon  14:06, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * We could always split it into two pages "guide names" and "alternate names/re-releases", and then do a subtraction. But it sounds like the difference shouldn't be more than 10-15%, so it may not be worth it.  Also, is a percentage of titles completed that bad a metric? -- Prod (talk) 14:49, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Only in so far as what you're choosing between is either saying, "We have 100 guides for 100 games," or "We have 100 guides for 115 titles." The first one is more intuitive for people, while the second one forces you to think about how some games have multiple titles before it makes sense.  Doesn't mean it's a bad metric.  Just potentially confusing.   Pro  cyon  14:58, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Mischief Makers
I actually opened that guide to find how many gold gems there were in the game. What a coincidence it was by you because I was pretty focused on just finding that number. I'll be sure to use it as a reference as I continue to try and fill out the guide. Any tips or comments on the two edits I made so far? I don't know if I may be using the button prompt images too much, or if using them in the Meet Marina section is necessary since I already mentioned it in the Getting Started page. Also whether or not I'm explaining enough/not enough/too much.

Anyway, it's been quite a while since I've done much here. I blame college. Hopefully I'll be able to get into making some decent contributions. Flagrama (talk) 18:24, 21 May 2015 (UTC)