User talk:IsaacGS

Heyz, can I ask something that's not maple related?
Hey Isaac, I'm posting my message hete coz I hate to add to the number of messages you have on SouthPerry and generally speaking, this topic isn't maple related. So anywayz, I started a new walkthrough on this website on ROSE Online and I think I'm missing something on these pages. Should you have the time, can you check it out and tell me what I'm missing? Not in regards with the game but the structure of the pages. Here's the link. --Jezza 00:59, 26 August 2008 (CDT)

Crimsonwood Keep
Hello Isaac, like I said before in SouthPerry forums, I'm astounded by your information extracted from GlobalMS in regards to Masteria. Anyway my question is, do you reckon the Crimsonwood Keep will be NX only? I hope it isn't otherwise it'll be more of a disaster than last year. Some idiot I heard from basil submitted a ticket to nexon stating that the new area should be NX only. What do you think anyway? Do you know anything about this? --Jezza 03:26, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

Bowman First Job Skill Builds
Hey Isaac, with the bowmans first job skill build, which is better; Arrow Blow or Double Shot? I read like a lot of guides and literally 90% of them keeps saying "Arrow Blow is worthless, DONT PUT IT ON". Since you have a ranger yourself, what do you recommend? --Jezza 20:44, 29 June 2008 (CDT)

My Cleric Guide
Hey isaac, check out my guide at "http://www.maplewiki.net/index.php?title=JezzaRules_Cleric_Guide" Firstly what do you think of it? and is it possible to post something like this on strategywiki? --Jezza 21:38, 21 June 2008 (CDT)

Sleepywood.net
Hey Isaac, do you reckon sleepywood.net is reliable? Yesterday, I actually believed Ariant is gonna be released on GMS coz of some guy who put up a stupid prank in which half the people in the forum believed him =.=. Sorry if it raised false hopes for everyone.--Jezza 20:22, 24 May 2008 (CDT)

GMS Test Server
Heyz, I have heard about the GMS Test Server just recently. Do you know how to create an account on Test Server? --Jezza 06:02, 13 March 2008 (CDT)

Horntail
Hey Isaac, I've been hearing rumours that Horntail doesn't exist in GMS yet. Is it true? If so, how are the mastery books that drop from the Horntail obtainable?--Jezza 05:14, 2 March 2008 (CST)

C. Ilbis
With the Crystal Ilbis, I hear they are unrechargable in GMS and can only be recharged in a town called Shubo or something. Is it true and do you know anything about this new town? --Jezza 16:29, 18 February 2008 (CST)

Lich?
Hey again Isaac, how long does it take for the lich in the forest of dead trees to spawn and how does it detect botters and hackers? Also there's this grave where a zombies lost tooth is supposingly offered to and this weird chest thingy appears with nothing inside it. What is it? --Jezza 05:47, 12 February 2008 (CST)

4th Job
Hey Isaac, when do you think GlobalMS is gunna release the 4th job advancement and monster rider? Hopefully I dont have 2 w8 for another year for it coz i really want monster rider. (dammit I really envy MSEA...)--Jezza 04:30, 19 November 2007 (CST) Hi again =P. Do you know when patch .49 is gonna be released. Coz there has been a lot of issues where people say its on the 15th and 18th of jan yet it never really came.--Jezza 03:16, 20 January 2008 (CST) Oh ok, I don't intend to spread it to the world anyway =P.--Jezza 17:56, 20 January 2008 (CST)

New Equips in GlobalMS
Hey Isaac, do you know how to get the Celestial Staff, Astral Blade, Nebula Dagger and all the other sorts of new equips released in GlobalMS? --Jezza 03:21, 5 November 2007 (CST)

Patch .46
Hi again Isaac, do you have any fair idea on what GlobalMS is releasing? --Jezza 03:50, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

Patch .45
Hey Isaac, do you know what GlobalMS has exactly released? Coz it seems like its only cash crap.--Jezza 17:05, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

I really hate 2 swear and yell but WHAT THE f@#$ IS THE POINT OF THAT PATCH!?? Nearly everyone I know who plays GMS are complaining and furious at Nexon for raising false hopes. Plus I reckon it's an outrage that Nexon delays us nearly 7 hours for the crappiest patch that releases nothing!. (Sorry for yelling and the inappropriate language).--Jezza 00:14, 26 October 2007 (CDT)

Badlands, Glitch in GlobalMS
I hear that there is a glitch to where a hidden map is found in the NLC subway. It is said that to enter it, you need dimension door or a return to town scroll on the doorway with the 'no exit' sign above it. What do you know about this map? --Jezza 06:08, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

Sleepywood Forums
Hey Isaac, you told me that Basilmarket is unreliable and bullshits all the time but do you reckon Sleepywood forums would be telling the truth most of the time? Coz I do believe I'm starting to eat crap from them =.=. Another thing, what is coming out in the Globals patch version .45? --Jezza 23:25, 24 October 2007 (CDT)

Hey Isaac, if you believe Sleepywood forum is more trustworthy then how come you just deleted some of my recent edits? By the way, I reverted all my edits once I saw one of my edits has been removed proving that I'm wrong.--Jezza 00:54, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

About Korea MS
Hmm...like you said that things that koreaMS made so we not flag it. so please do in the bottom of the page a hint that unmarked things so they made in koreaMS Ofir38 15:04, 19 October 2007 (CDT)

Sonic Adventure 2
Are Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Adventure 2: Battle the same game (for different systems? If they are, they should have shared guides like Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS. -- Prod (Talk) 20:07, 22 October 2007 (CDT)
 * The extent of it is that they share a toc. They still get separate front pages. I'm on |irc if you want to chat. -- Prod (Talk) 20:27, 22 October 2007 (CDT)

Hi
Hey Isaac, just out of curiosity wat lvl are your strongest characters in all maplestory versions you play? My ChinaMS character is a noob magician, only lvl 21 coz I hardly ever go on it (primarily because I can't read Chinese easily) and my GlobalMS character is a lvl 43 Fighter. --Jezza 05:38, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

I can has more uploads?
o_O;;; Those pictures are so tiny Isaac. Are you planning on enhancing them somehow within the display, or are you simply going to display them just as they are? Just curious… Procyon (Talk) 14:47, 2 November 2007 (CDT)
 * Is this a good size? Image:GS Moloch.gif. -- 03:53, 5 November 2007 (CST)

Sorry about the two KMS sections...
Sorry...i was forgotten about that to delete 1 when i copy it..but i wanted to ask you a question. When i did the Box for the new monster so it was bugy and all that so it didn't worked to me..Why? I hope if you will help me about it.

GoldenSun wikia
Yeah, (almost) all of Wikia is GFDL as well (including that wiki), so use all the info you want from it :). As for the template, do whatever you see fit. And, as for the link back, here's the basic code guide:
 *  goldensun  links to a page on the central Wikia
 *  wikia:c:goldensun  links to a wiki's Main Page
 *  wikia:c:goldensun:Mad Plant  links to an article on a wiki

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask :) -- 19:44, 5 November 2007 (CST)

El Nath PQ
What is El Nath pq? I have never ever heard of it before. (Its not mentioned in the Party Quest Section) Think you can upload information on it in the party quest sction? --Jezza 04:22, 15 December 2007 (CST)

ref tags
Should be fixed now. Thanks for pointing it out, and please tell me if you notice any more broken pages. :-) --DrBob (talk) 04:18, 24 December 2007 (CST)

Nihal Desert red link
Template:MapleStory/TOC/Quests contains a red link for Nihal Desert. Considering I haven't played MS in like 2-3 years, and after after checking google really quick to see that indeed people are interested in it (even cooler is that SW is link #4 on the search)... Should the link be there, and is it red because GMS doesn't have it yet? What versions do you play (such information would be useful on your userpage xD)? -- 02:14, 30 January 2008 (CST)

Contact info
Email me if he's got MSN or gTalk. -- Prod (Talk) 14:29, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 * He could also use IRC and then PM Prod so it's not public. -- 14:31, 22 February 2008 (CST)
 * Yea, I'm not on IRC much anymore :/ Just send me an email and I'll give you some details. -- Prod (Talk) 22:29, 22 February 2008 (CST)

Your Characters
Do you have any characters on Bellocan GMS? -- 20:58, 2 March 2008 (CST)
 * Levels/Classes? -- 21:52, 2 March 2008 (CST)

Maple Sub-TOCs
Can you link me to the monster toc template that needs editing? I'm at work right now and hunting it down might be a pain to find. I'm not trying to be lazy here, I just don't want to edit the wrong template. -- 14:36, 14 March 2008 (CDT)
 * I think I did it. -- 15:13, 14 March 2008 (CDT)

Version templates
Those seem to be getting long. What do you think of my changes? Should it be extended for the rest of the areas? -- Prod (Talk) 23:02, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
 * That's the idea. Each of the regions would have a row of "globally available" (or some better name) with a list of icons and their locations that are available. -- Prod (Talk) 23:19, 7 April 2008 (CDT)
 * If the separate templates are going to be put on different pages, then definitely. However, I don't see how it saves space. -- Prod (Talk) 01:52, 8 April 2008 (CDT)
 * If you believe it would be useful, go for it. I would suggest names of MapleStory/Versions/Masteria, and don't include a notes section on each template.  Just add a references section at the bottom of the page to collect them all. Also, move the page to one of the new names before splitting it up so that you can keep the edit history intact. -- Prod (Talk) 09:46, 8 April 2008 (CDT)

MS/Game HDD Space
Just so you know, they recommend having more space than the actual used space because 1) patches, 2) Windows requires a swapfile to exist and be used, and 3) other processes may use up space (screenshots etc.). However, telling people the actual space used is nic too.  -- 00:30, 10 April 2008 (CDT)

Maple assistance
Hey, sorry to bug you but I was wondering if you can take a look at the last section of MapleStory/Magician Guide/Builds starting at My personal build LV (132 arch mage). It's kind of out of place and I have no idea if any of the advice is useful or not. However it does look like the person was trying to be helpful.

It looked odd and overlooked so I'm simply bringing it to your attention since I have no clue what to do with it. --Zaiqukaj 03:16, 27 April 2008 (CDT)

Image upload
I'd say scale it down in paint or something and then upload it. That error is weird though. -- Prod (Talk) 01:28, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
 * What error? It works fine on my sandbox.  -- 01:55, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
 * I already uploaded a new version of the file, lol.--IsaacGS 01:56, 4 May 2008 (CDT)
 * Don't think there is one...The only thing that comes to mind is the username blacklist, but that only stops registration. -- Prod (Talk) 22:46, 6 May 2008 (CDT)

Version content
Does it really matter? -- Prod (Talk) 22:34, 10 May 2008 (CDT)
 * Perhaps the Town/Area column? -- Prod (Talk) 23:18, 10 May 2008 (CDT)
 * Template:MapleStory/Versions/Ossyria seems to have lost some flags. -- Prod (Talk) 00:10, 4 June 2008 (CDT)

TaiwanMS pirates
I thought TaiwanMS got pirates in Mid May? So you're saying, they didn't get them yet? Hell, not even JapanMS got them in 1.44. TKWizard 07:43, 28 May 2008 (CDT)

MrSmartGuy
Can you check his recent edits. Seems to be deleting tons of stuff and I'm too far out of the game to know if his changes are valid. -- Prod (Talk) 18:03, 31 May 2008 (CDT)

Table design
Hi, I saw you undid my changes of the table. I must agree, my solution to change it to the 3-letter abbreviations was not the best. But with the long names it really looks crappy on my resolution. With more and more versions released this problem will grow even further.

I have some more ideas on how to make it look better:
 * Remove the words "Yes", "No", "Partial", "Exclusive", only use colors
 * Yes = green
 * No = red
 * Partial = Yellow
 * Exclusive = blue
 * for additional information the ref-tag can still be used.


 * Set the remaining text (leftmost column and header rows) to small

This way we can keep the current layout, but make it much smaller. And without text we can define a fixed width and hight of the cells (what's not the case now because of different text lengths). This way it will look way cleaner.

What do you think of it? --91.13.88.88 07:29, 26 June 2008 (CDT)


 * I just saw that changing prettytable to the following from the Jobs-table does a pretty good result:
 * class="wikitable" style="text-align:center; font-size:0.9em; margin:.1em; width:100%"
 * Maybe we can use this in all the tables? --91.13.88.88 07:54, 26 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Text should stay so that bots can still understand the page. If shrinking the size of the text, it should be done through one of the parameters of prettytable. -- Prod (Talk) 11:01, 29 June 2008 (CDT)
 * OK, that's even better. I think the parameter style=font-size:0.8em should do the best. I'll change every table to it, then all tables have the same size (only a bit smaller text) but still the full text. --91.13.116.68 01:46, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * 0.9 em also works, I take 0.9 then. --91.13.116.68 01:47, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * OK, every template now uses . This looks very good on 1024x768. --91.13.116.68

I also have another idea about the tables. Currently it is so that the Yes/No boxes are separate for each version and colspan is only used when all versions have it. Should we change it so that colspan is also used if there's only a version with a Yes/No box next to each other? I tried around with that idea a bit, in my opinion it looks pretty good. Opinions? --91.13.116.68 02:32, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Try it out on one of the smaller templates as a demo and if we agree on it we can implement it in the others. -- Prod (Talk) 02:36, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * I don't know what's wrong with your screens, but on mine the boxes are ridiculously uneven with this change (The JMS box is enormously wide, for no reason) When you're making changes like this, do it to one table at a time. I don't think these changes are needed at all and in most cases it looks very bad to me. Why can't we just leave them alone? It seems like they're more or less perfected before, now we're just ruining a good thing. Also, I'd recommend if you want to do lots of big changes, that you make an account first.--IsaacGS 03:15, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * Ok, maybe it's just the Party Quests chart that looks weird. Basically, you just want to make the font smaller? seems pointless but whatever, it's bearable. --IsaacGS 03:22, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * JMS is long because some of the boxes have the "Test Server Only" caption. I've set a fixed 7% width for those. -- Prod (Talk) 03:24, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * For me most of the boxes were higher than wide. That was because of the small icons and the long description and the fixed size (like 6 words, each had its own line). Also some tables had more than 100%, others didn't. Some had prettytable, some didn't. They were extremly uneven before. Now they are fine. I even rendered it with http://browsershots.org/ - with my changes it worked well on ALL systems. IsaacGS, I think you are the one that has a strange configuration and the tables were fit to yours (making it strange looking for many others). --91.13.116.68 03:33, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * I can upload screenshot of the old and the new layout on my system if someone wishes (Firefox 3.0, 1024x768, XP SP3), you will easily see how bad it was before and how fine it is now. --91.13.116.68 03:46, 30 June 2008 (CDT)

About the idea of using colspan also if not all versions have it: I will now test it on the Jobs table. --91.13.75.127 08:11, 30 June 2008 (CDT)
 * If it looked so horrible, why didn't anyone change it for 2+ years? These charts were originally imported from Wikipedia, where they had spent quite a long time before they arrived here. I can't really recall anyone ever having had a problem with it. Also, making the yes or No span the columns looks absolutely atrocious, and before you say something about that: I tried it myself when I was adding BrazilMS and VietnamMS to the charts, but hated it so much I couldn't stand to save it. It complete destroys the organization that having columns brings to a chart. Additionally, there's no real reason why the versions are in the order that they are: It starts out going from Oldest to newest, but after KMS, JMS, CMS that order ceases. The next one, by age, should be GMS, but it is not. HKMS should be after EMS by age, but it isn't. In the end when using colspan you just end up with some crazy bar-chart looking thing in one place and then missing boxes in another. Basically, it doesn't look uniform, and never can.

Also, I'm not trying to be mean about this: Setting the version names aside in a separate template was a good idea, and it will make adding more versions in the future substantially easier than it was before.--IsaacGS 11:20, 30 June 2008 (CDT)


 * I uploaded some screens.
 * Current Everything is perfect.
 * Old As you can see on the right side the table is over the vertical line (--> more than 100%). The boxes are very high because of the text in the left boxes.
 * --91.13.75.127 12:05, 30 June 2008 (CDT)

Abot the icons
But in your icons there is a X on them ><. anyway why we cant use this one on them? http://media.strategywiki.org/images/e/e6/MS_Quest_Area_Icon.png Ofir38 02:34, 4 July 2008 (CDT)

Patches
Feeling ok? -- Prod (Talk) 21:15, 11 August 2008 (CDT)

Perion and its Ruins
Why can't it be one row? If there comes a new version without it, it could be changed back. But I see no reason to separate them when all versions have it. And seeing the content of BMS and VMS, new versions seem to come directly with the Ruins. What is logical, because it is part of Perion now. It's the same with for example Kerning expansion. When EMS has it, it can be included in the main row of Kerning, because all versions have it, and it is nothing super special and new versions will most likely have it integrated from the beginning anyways. Making it no "expansion" anymore - then it is just part of the regular town/area.

This is something that bothered me for a long time in the table. Newer areas have so many single rows for one single Map, for example Leafre. Is this really needed? It just makes the table bigger and bigger, but does not contain really important information. It could be included with ref or small tag in the main row.

Same for Mu Lung "Expansion" 1 and 2. They are only one map each. Really needed to separate them as single rows?

--91.13.120.137 01:40, 21 August 2008 (CDT)


 * I just remebered that there is the "Partial" cell, this could also be used in some cases, for single map "expansions". I just hope that the table isn't going to have a row for each map in the future... I know this is over-the-top, but I just want to say that some things just don't need its own row (espacially if it's only one or two maps that even have the same map icon). --91.13.120.137 01:52, 21 August 2008 (CDT)


 * Oh, and one more question. I see the difference on "Boss Quests", "Competitive Quests" and "Event Quests". But what exactly is the difference between "Main Party Quests" and "Extra Quests"? Couldn't they stand under one headline? --91.13.120.137 03:53, 21 August 2008 (CDT)
 * I can see what you mean with this, and there are some of them I'm thinking about removing (For example, Orbis and Mu Lung expansions were misleading before. They can only be accessed before the quest is completed, so it's not really an expansion). As for "Main Party Quests" and "Extra Quests", the Main PQs are the ones that go along with the storyline and will be released for every version eventually. "Extras" are PQs that are only created in one version that may or may not ever be added to another version. In some cases (Henesys and Amoria) they may be related to storyline or whatever, but they're not inevitably going to be released everywhere. --IsaacGS 13:59, 21 August 2008 (CDT)


 * Thanks for you answer. I'm now going through the list from top to bottom and list the rows that I think could be merged or removed.
 * Character Progression: Could need some new order. Content is fine.
 * Group Quests: I still think that Main and Extra Quests could be in one table. Because Nexon said they release whatever they want whenever they want whereever they want. So I see no reason why some Party Quests shouldn't come in some versions. The rest is fine.
 * Minigames: fine.
 * Others: Maybe merge the Area Bosses rows and set refs containing the monster names. Or let it be the way it is. ;) I'm unsure on this myself. We had a lot of refs (-> separate is better), but on the other hand it is nothing special that needed separation (-> merging is better)
 * Maple Island: Southperry Expansion not really needed. Maybe a ref in the main row saiyng that some version have an extra map.
 * Victoria Island: Perion and Ruins could be merged, as said. BMS and VMS had it from the beginning. So I see no reason why others shouldn't get it from the beginning. And if, it could be separated or ref'ed again if there comes a version without it. Kerning Exp same as Southparry Exp. Ice and Dark Drake Area... Unsure on this. It's a bit bigger than other expansions, but it's just a small training area - no NPCs, no quests, no nothing. Could be ref'ed in main SW row.
 * Ossyria: El Nath Exp, Omega Exp, KFT Exp, Mu Lung Exp, Magatia Exp - same as above Exps (remove or ref). Leafre: Merge the first four rows and the last three rows.
 * That's what I can think of now. --91.13.100.126 03:17, 22 August 2008 (CDT)


 * About the PQs again, there are some that are inevitable. Every version WILL have Magatia PQ, eventually. Without it you're missing a huge amount of important information. Amoria PQ will probably never, ever come out in KMS. It's just not what they're looking for in an addition. I mean, Ludi Maze PQ was out for ages before it was added to another version. That's basically the determining factor with this. Inevitability of release versus questionability of release.
 * For the Area Bosses, combining them would probably be really confusing. The way it is now you can take one glance and see which ones are out where. If you make one row of "Area Bosses" and then have 3 different levels of "partial" that's going to be annoying to check a dozen new refs. Maybe that's just me but I'm not particularly fond of them.
 * for maps, some of the represent more drastic changes. For example, the Southperry expansion isn't just one map added to southperry. They reorganized the entire island, moved maps around, added new monsters, and so on. That's not true for some of the other areas. Like I said I'm not overly fond of using a lot of refs but if several other people agree then it's certainly not out of the question. For larger expansions (Kerning comes to mind) I think it's better to leave it as a separate icon, but for the one-map area boss ones then I guess it might be better to just ref it. Heck, for most of them, it would probably be easier/better to just make a ref that says "XXX map isn't available". In that case I can see making those changes a lot more useful. A lot of them are the way they are because they came out at different times. Minidungeons are definitely significant enough to appear on their own as each one represents at least 30 new instances of the same map. They even show up uniquely on the world map now.

I'll probably look at implementing some of these changes tomorrow.--IsaacGS 04:17, 22 August 2008 (CDT)


 * I knew what you meant with the PQs. But I don't think that these need an extra Box. Event, Boss and Competitive Quests have an own box because the gameplay s different, that's fine. But Main an Extra are basically the same. And nobody can tell whether they will come everywhere or not or whether they will become part of the "storyline" or not (Nexon said this more than once themselves). At least the ones that have an icon could be in the main box (because they seem to have the needed importance for Nexon to get one -> making them a "main" quest).
 * I know that it's hard to say whether an expansion is important or not. Mini Dungeons, of course, need their own row. But single (or even two or three) maps without some "storyline addon" or without quest relation don't need an extra row (I'd even say not even a ref). And for the "special" place Ruins and Excavation site I'd say one year ago this deserved it own row of course, because it was new and its state was unclear. But today it is a main part of Perion that new versions will most likely have from the beginning. That's why I thought it could be small under "Perion" (like I did few days ago). And if there comes a new version without it (what could take a while anyway), we still can make a new row again or use ref. And for Ice and Dark Drake area... It doesn't even involve quests. So, after EMS has it, it could be deleted or small'ed under SW (what would be better). The SW Mini Dungeons could be one row, like you did with Leafre MDs.
 * And in general I would like to say not to many rows with the same icon. Only if there are some really important things (like Mini Dungeons or bigger addons). Leafre is better now with the merged rows, but the question is the following: Do the four Leafre rows come separated when Leafre is released (nowadays)? If not, then they could be merged, too.
 * We have several possibilities to make people aware what a row includes: name cell with ref, partial cell with ref, small in name cell, or just nothing because all versions have it and will have it from the beginning. These can also be combined, of course. You are right, we should not "abuse" the ref tag. We should rather think about what information is really important and what could be small'ed, merged or even deleted. --91.13.113.170 01:58, 23 August 2008 (CDT)


 * Oh, and I came to another idea (not for now, but for the future maybe). A while ago I changed the "GlobalMS" and so on headlines to "GMS" and so on. This was not the best idea, I have to admit. But what about "Global", "Japan", "SEA" and so on? Cutting the "MS". This would save some space, especially for versions that will be released in the future. The recent font size changes were because BMS and VMS were added, what made the table very bad-looking. So in the future (not now), when this size problem could come up again, we then could cut of all the "MS" to save place. --91.13.113.170 04:06, 23 August 2008 (CDT)
 * Following up on that, we could go by the somewhat official names. Maple S.E.A confuses me there for multiple reasons (improper periods, only one with Maple in the name), but we can take some editorial license :). -- Prod (Talk) 10:09, 23 August 2008 (CDT)
 * Any arguments against the idea that I will change the VersionNames template to the country names to see how it looks ("Brazil", "S.E.A", "Global", "Hongkong", etc)?
 * Oh, and I saw that Ludi got some new rows. Was this really needed? There was no new content release, but also no complaints that some major thing was missing/unclear in the table. --91.13.80.110 01:36, 25 August 2008 (CDT)