Talk:Gyromite/Walkthrough

Maps
I uploaded the map for the first phase. Let me know how it looks, and if you want the rest done in the same way. --Snesmaster 18:58, 27 February 2007 (CST)


 * OK, I have a good reaction and a bad reaction. I'll do the good reaction first: the map looks fantastic.  I thought it would be larger for some reason, but at that size, it does not need to be reduced.  Maybe I'll reduce it through the Image tag, I don't know.  It depends on how much white space I end up with (I hate too much white space.)


 * Now, the bad reaction. I swear I'm not trying to be a nitpicker about the copyright and everything, they're totally your maps and you have the right to make them anyway that you want to, but seeing "Map by Rick N. Bruns" 40 or more times throughout the guide is going to get a little annoying to people, you know?  And they're going to know what game the map is from, since they're reading the guide for that game.  So I have a suggestion, and it's very much a wiki approach.  Have a look at Image:GyromiteMapPhase01Alt.png, and look specifically at the description.  That description is going to stay in the record of that file, in accordance with GFDL rules, and should never be removed.  So anyone who clicks on the map to find out more about it will find your credit.  Yes, not everyone is going to do that, and yes, not everyone is going to know that you made it just by looking at it.  But including it in the picture is just a bit too much.  I've edited and uploaded tons of pictures, and I don't even put my name in the description except to say that I uploaded it.  Like the Zelda overworld map split in to 8 parts.  It's nothing to brag about, and your work is certainly better, but really, I just didn't see the need to advertise myself as the maps' author.  So, please please please consider taking the approach that I've laid out for you in the alternate version.  Let me know how you feel about this.  Thanks. Procyon 20:41, 27 February 2007 (CST)


 * What you are saying makes since. I agree there is no reason for a person viewing this guide to see that same message 40 times.  I will upload some more maps later this evening using the way you did the alt image you showed me in your example.  Would it be possible to place somewhere in the guide that the map images were provided by NESMaps.com and have a link to the site.  It does not have to be on the main page of the guide, or on every page a map appears on, but maybe on the same page as the first map appears on at the bottom in a works citied type section.  --Snesmaster 15:41, 28 February 2007 (CST)


 * Before I answer you, let me assure that I really do understand where you are coming from, I get it completely. But I'll put it to you this way: No where else on this site will you find a single credit for anyone who contributes any work to this site.  No where, whether it's in the text of any of the guides, or in the images that are uploaded, or even as watermarks in the image.  What you're essentially asking for is special treatment.  We all bust our ass in one way or another when we put these guides together, but if you're part of a wiki community, you have to know that part of what comes with that is a sort of humble acceptance that nine times out of ten, no one is going to care who created the content that their looking at, and in the rare occassion when someone does bother to look at the page history, or the image description, you might get a thank you message or something, and that's about it.  It's totally not uncommon for people to credit themselves for the creation of an image that they uploaded in the image description.  But having it flat out in the middle of the guide will get a lot of people thinking, "hey, why does he get to credit himself and I don't?" and you won't be very popular.


 * Bottom line: I'm very happy that you've chosen to contribute to this site and to our community. You may be responsible for some very talented additions to the site.  But part of what comes with this site is a certain level of anonymity.  Not entirely, but to a big degree.  You can certainly advertise yourself all that you like on your user page, and that's actually encouraged.  All of the sprites that I have worked very hard on, and uploaded to the site, I don't even bother crediting myself, I just slap 'em up here for people to enjoy.  And they do take time to create, it's not a simple copy and paste.  So, please seriously consider what you're asking for.


 * In conclusion, I would recommend that you don't do it, but when the page is pretty much complete, if you want to come along after me and credit yourself somewhere, I'm not going to undo the edit. I simply don't advise or endorse doing it (beyond putting your credit in the image description, which is totally acceptable).  Procyon 16:50, 28 February 2007 (CST)


 * Thanks for taking the time to explain where you are coming from. I'm relatively new to the wiki thing, and I did not realize it was that out of place to give credit for things like images and maps.  Thank you for allowing me to put the information there even if you don't agree with it, and I will not take advantage of your generosity and leave the credit out since that seems to be the norm for wiki pages.  I'm used to sites that place your name and e-mail next to your contributions like sites you give game genie codes to and so forth.  I'm certainly not looking for special treatment.  You did an awesome job on the Controls & Characters section for this game.  It was kewl how you enhanced the graphics and made them a bit larger.  I may at some point add something to the extent of "Additional maps for Gyromite can be found at www.NESMaps.com"  I am planning on making one large image containing all the levels, kind of like the ones I did for Arkanoid and Solomon's Key.  Something like that probably won't be needed for this guide, but some gamers might enjoy checking it out.
 * On another note. I cropped out the bottom row of blocks since you did that in your example, but left on little part of it there because some levels go all the way down to the bottom row.  --Snesmaster 17:39, 28 February 2007 (CST)