User talk:Karlcsr

C&C
Karl, I know there's been a lot of problems associated with the link to your webpage, but I think we can overcome those and figure out the best place for your link. Our current policy is to place all external links under a section on the main page title "External Links." You recently put the link in the Table of Contents, saying "Contributions couresty of CNC Video Guides." The problem with this is that not all edits to the CNC guide will be from that website. Anybody can change or add information to the guide. What we should do is create an External Links section in the Table of Contents and place your website under there. What do you think?-- Duke Ruckley Talk 16:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Karlcsr. There are two main reasons (that I know of) for not putting by-lines on the content pages:


 * 1) Everyone's by-line is automatically recorded in the history, along with 'exactly' what they changed.
 * 2) Imagine the number of by-lines there would be on these pages.
 * As for the positioning of the external links, I can't same I'm too happy with that. The table of contents is so large nobody will ever see it and if you have good content over there, that doesn't do our visitors any benefit.  I'd like to move it above the Table of Contents but two things would need to happen.  We'd need consensus from all other interested parties, and you'd need to add a "story" section to the front pages (just for layout aesthetics). -- Prod (Talk) 01:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I could've sworn I left a message before, but I guess there must have been an edit conflict and I didn't realize it!


 * Instead of writing out what I had written before, I'll just recap. I agree with you that you deserve credit, but that is what the page histories are for.  If you don't know what I'm referring to (I'm guessing you do, but just in case) check out the "History" tab at the top of the page.  This tab contains every contribution anyone has ever made to whatever page you are on.


 * As for the link to you guide, I think that having it appear under an external links header is sufficient, but I think that putting that underneath the Table of Contents is a terrible place for it. I think within the  ToC is the best spot (and that's where I've moved it to for now).  Another possibility is above the ToC on the main page.  We'll all have to come to a consensus on this.  The reason it doesn't belong within the guide is because it would be very difficult to attribute an entire page to one person on most guides.  Also, it wouldn't be right to say "Guide contributed by: XXXX" because anybody can edit the guide, it isn't owned by one person.  Saying that someone contributed the guide is like saying that person is the only person who contributed, which is not necessarily true.


 * I don't want you to think that we aren't giving you credit when you deserve it. I really value your contributions, without you the CNC Generals guide wouldn't be anywhere near where it is right now.-- Duke  Ruckley Talk 01:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * No matter what we say, at least we do have a link to your site (plus the 100+ links to your user page; unfortunately that doesn't provide a link to your site anymore...). -- 03:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, what you don't seem to understand is that we don't want to have peoples by-lines. It has nothing to do with fairness, it has everything to do with SW being the focus of attention. It has to do with common sense and maximizing our visitors and the quality of our content. By removing or minimizing all external links, what we are trying to do is compile all of the necessary information ourselves. If we have this information, we have no reason to provide our users with something that is a duplicate or lower in quality. Also, if users like yourself were to abandon their side projects, then SW would become greater; however in your case you've decided to split from SW. Although you aren't competing with us, when you first started your site it sounded like you were trying to do just that. However! Your site and guide style is not 100% compatible with ours (we cannot embed video) and so your site is great for what you're trying to accomplish (high five). Since you upload to youtube anyways... did you know that we have a youtube template? Also, going back to the beginning of this post, being under the GFDL prompts us to value ourselves and our contributions less, and focus on growing together. You may have a site, and you may be known as Karlcsr, but besides creating personal value (which can come from anything), does it really matter? I mean, if we did the same as you, SW wouldn't exist. I would still be editing for GameFAQs, and some of us would have our own sites, apart from one another. Your outburst made it sound like working as a team wasn't what you wanted, and if so, then you should definitely not be a part of a group project like this one. -- 03:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Summing up your position
"Wah, my name is Karl, and I want special treatment over everyone else. No one else gets to give themselves credit for their work on this site, but I should be allowed to.  No one else gets to link to their homepage, but I should be allowed to.  If people don't let me have these things, then I am being discriminated against unfairly.  And I will get my revenge by leaving ridiculously long explanations that continue to assert my position that I am right and everyone else is wrong.  I have no interest in understanding this site's position, or the position of it's staff.  I only want what I want and I am only interested in promoting my position.  I also like to claim that I am innocent and have never insulted anyone, even though I told one staff member to have sexual relations with his deceased mother, but that's ok, because he made me angry."

Dude, seriously... get a grip. Procyon (Talk) 13:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Proc I think you're misunderstanding his original view of the site: he wants EVERYONE to have credit (which we do), but like, if they have a site, EVERYONE should have a link to their site from SW. -- 23:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand his view perfectly, I simply don't have any sympathy for him due to his irrational tirades and all the expletives that he left for me on my user page. As far as I'm concerned, you, Duke, and Prod have all gone way beyond what was required of you to address this issue.  The only reason I haven't banned Karl is because no one else seems to think it's necessary.  Karl, if you want a wiki where everyone can graffiti the pages with links to external sites, by all means, go start one.  Aside from the solutions that we presented to you numerous times, don't do it here, period.  Procyon (Talk) 23:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your effort to placate the rest of the staff. Procyon (Talk) 22:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)