StrategyWiki:Staff lounge/2008/December

Wii Speak.
I would do it in the forum but I don't know how to sign in. The new accessory is available today. I don't know where else to give the news so this is the best I could do. You could very well update it on the Wii along with the Wii Zapper and the Wii Balance Board. I would do it but I don't know where to get the picture for it. Anyway, I'll understand if you don't want to add it because help should be there only for really tough questions that can hardly be answered. Johnnyauau2000 00:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Unreal Engine
I made a pages for Category:Unreal Engine and Category:Unreal Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4, but I'm not sure about them. I categorized the individual ones with   so they show up on the main page, and I transcluded the intro from the main page onto the individual pages. They all have   on them, but maybe the main one shouldn't? If a game uses the Unreal Engine, wouldn't it be one of the four? Anyway, I wanted some input on that and also whether doing the tranclusion was okay and whether there should even be a main Unreal Engine page. Thanks, - naj zere 16:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering the number of games, I think they could all be categorized under the general "Unreal Engine." Thus, 1, 2, 3, and 4 would all be considered versions of the same product, and individual descriptions of changes or whatever could reside on the broad category page (and individual ones would be deleted). -- 19:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine as long as it's agreed that knowing the specific version of the engine is unimportant. - naj zere 20:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Sony
I'd like to change the category Sony to Sony Computer Entertainment due to the fact that it is the latter which produces video games and consoles. If I move Category:Sony to Category:Sony Computer Entertainment will links be automatically updated on all the pages? If not, can someone have their bot do it? - naj zere 20:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think with this case, you have to be careful about fixing things automatically. It's true that SCE is a publisher, and in a few cases, a developer of titles, but prior to the PlayStation, Sony did publish titles (like for the MSX and Famicom) simply as Sony, so you probably don't want to blanket apply such a change.  Pro  cyon  20:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, two separate pages then? Right now it looks like all the pages that have been categorized as Sony are for PS1 and up. I'm not sure if we just don't have any guides for Sony produced MSX games or they're not labeled as such, but before that happens it might be a good idea to switch the ones in the category to Sony Computer Entertainment. - naj zere 20:58, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Ordered lists
Can we fix this? gives:
 * 1) three
 * 2) four
 * 3) five
 * 1) three
 * 2) four
 * 3) five

Works on WP, by the way. - naj zere 22:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that it works on WP just proves that they rely on utter hacks in order to do things. If you want to start an ordered list at something other than 1, use straight-up HTML instead of a wikimarkup hack, e.g.

three four five
 * which gives:

three four five
 * Don't use hacks. -- 23:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Can a list from a transcluded page (which contains an ordered list) be continued on the current page? Seems like a simple and desirable concept yet default mediawiki doesn't do it as far as I can see.

Preload templates
I want to include all the fields in the preload templates (infobox and company) because every time I create a new main page, series page or company page I have to go to the actual template page and copy/paste the example from there so I don't leave out info. I actually already modified them once, but left in the example text for the parameters thinking it would help people understand what goes in there and how to format it. That probably wasn't a good idea, since that example information might be left in, meaning extra cleanup. So, how does everyone feel about adding in the fields, but leaving them blank so the optional ones don't show up, but they're there for editors to use? I think it's mainly people who know what they're doing making company pages, but for the infobox, if not all fields, can we at least add  and  ?

Along the same lines, would it be worthwhile to add links to common, multi-parameter templates in the insertion box at the bottom of edit pages? I mean down where you can click links to insert wiki markup, symbols, characters, etc. Right now I'm just thinking of series and system, but there are probably other useful templates as well (some of which are in the StrategyWiki markup section). - naj zere 18:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The preloads are more for the newbies who might not figure out the template in general. Advanced users can do the copy paste thing, or add their own preload buttons (though that's fairly advanced). -- Prod (Talk) 08:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * oooh, preload buttons sounds like something fun ;) --Vizeroth 23:19, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Open for comment
While I'm in here asking about the preload templates, here are some questions/comments I've left around various talk pages. If anyone wants to comment on any of these, that would be helpful. Thanks, - naj zere 18:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * changes to the System template (this one's actually kind of important)
 * formatting control pages
 * requesting guides vs. collaboration
 * adding scope to consoles on guide completion
 * modifying the YouTube template
 * forcing WP link on Company template

Redirects/categories
I created two redirect pages: "KOTOR" and "Knights of the Old Republic", which both go to Category:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. However, I'm seeing both those pages listed in the category page itself; is there a way to get rid of those and leave just the other two that were already there? Baejung92 (talk) 20:00, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Prod (Talk) 20:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Those colons. Baejung92  (talk) 20:07, 31 December 2008 (UTC)