StrategyWiki:Staff lounge/2007/August

Whats the best way to vandalise
How do i performance vandal attack this wiki
 * Wow that's an appropriate question to ask at the staff lounge... Baejung92 20:04, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
 * The best way to vandalize is to get banned. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 20:18, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Er... isn't that the other way around NMH? Procyon (Talk) 21:12, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Shhh, it's positive reinforcement. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 21:17, 1 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Ha ha ha. Um some people are strange as this is the best way to avertise that they are vandal's . Richardson j 20:30, 2 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Let's not give anyone ideas for vandalism. THAT ISN'T SOMETHING WE SHOULD MAKE INCREASE!!! (quietly walks away.) --Superpowered Mario (talk • contribs) 14:41, 9 August 2007 (CDT)
 * You ping 127.0.0.1 with millions of packets of data. echelontalk 18:39, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Need an image
I'm not sure this is the best place but does anybody have some cover art or some other art that i can use for Military Madness. Plus if anybody can able to give other help to it thanks Richardson j 20:48, 3 August 2007 (CDT)
 * . Google Image Search is your friend... -- 21:00, 3 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Well im useing my wii to do it and i'm unable to upload images Richardson j 21:03, 3 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry for the delay. Anyway, check out Image:Military Madness boxart.png. -- 09:01, 4 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Thanks i shall put it in right away and once again thanks ,Richardson j 19:45, 4 August 2007 (CDT)

Completion stage 5
I've seen it mentioned on the promising guide page. What exactly is it, and what does a guide need to have in order to be given it? Baejung92 20:51, 4 August 2007 (CDT)
 * There's no one-size-fits-all answer, but roughly: Complete instructions, complete walkthrough, complete bestiary, fully labeled maps, and a complete set of screenshots to compliment the walkthrough (rough estimate, at least 2 screenshots per page.) A number 5 guide can still be edited if someone sees a correction to be made, or would like to add something useful, but in theory, a number 5 guide doesn't need any more editing to improve it.  Basically, if Pokémon Red and Blue has more screenshots, it would be at number 5.  The same will be true for The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past once I get the bestiary and a few other sections complete.  I plan to play through it when I'm finished to get the necessary shots.  Procyon (Talk) 21:01, 4 August 2007 (CDT)
 * For a shorter answer, you can compare a num=5 to a featured page on wikipedia. -- Prod (Talk) 21:14, 4 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Also, these guides have to meet a community consensus. We put it to vote. echelontalk 18:40, 9 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Hey guys! I've just got back from a weeks holiday and have just seen the changes. They look great! and the front page really stands out more now. I especially like the logos and Recent Activity column. The only thing I'd change would be the "PlayStation2" into "PS2" and the same with "PS3" as the number goes into another line - or maybe get rid of Xbox or GameCube as they are a bit last gen now. Anyway good work guys! Poiuytre 13:40, 18 August 2007 (CDT)
 * We're keeping the two recent generations on the browser unless it becomes a problem, as for the names, we are referring to them as they are officially named, so it won't get shortened. -- 11:19, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

what are the requirements for the completion stages?
I just want to know: how do you guys determine what completion level something is; what do you look for?

Ttfan147 08:24, 14 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Its usually based off of the contributor's judgment. Use a level 4 completion as a basis.  If something is not quite level 4, then it should be three.  If something is half way there, it should be two.  Etc.  A level 4 guide is generally the following:


 * No red links
 * Walkthrough complete
 * Sometime missing pictures, but should have at least a few to get started
 * A good look and feel (clean pages, easy to read, no drivel, etc)


 * Remember these are just general ideas of a level four guide. There is no current policy on them and there probably will not be one for a while.  In any case, just use your judgment and if someone disagrees with you, we can take care of it then.-- Duke  Ruckley  08:41, 14 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Basically, it goes as thus:
 * [[Image:0000.svg]] Little or No content. Exists primarily as a placeholder.
 * [[Image:0001.svg]] Sparse content, there would be more red links than blue links if the Table of Contents was created to its fullest. Very little in terms of the actual walkthrough.
 * [[Image:0002.svg]] Maturing content, the main walkthrough can take you through at least half the game, and there are a few pages in the Getting Started and Appendices sections.
 * [[Image:0003.svg]] Fairly thorough content, the main walkthrough may be complete or just about there, and the Getting Started and Appendices sections are well-developed with very few to no red links.
 * [[Image:0004.svg]] Comprehensive guide that is missing only a few things formatting-wise, namely pictures. The look and feel is clean and there are no red links.
 * [[Image:0005.svg]] Featured guide. Please see Featured guides for the criteria.
 * So, just loosely base your decision off of these to assign a correct completion stage. -- 08:58, 14 August 2007 (CDT)

StrategyWiki Bug
It involves the watchlist. not showing everything and heres the step by step details Richardson j 21:20, 22 August 2007 (CDT)
 * 1) load watchlist
 * 2) click all but it only shows the last 7 days but other wikis show everything and the only way to show everthing is to
 * 3) click Show and edit complete watchlist which doesn't show edit summary.
 * Ok, what it's doing is restricting what it is showing based off your preferences. If you want it to show everything, go into your preferences, and under watchlist, change the "number of days to show in watchlist" to 0. If you have the "expand watchlist to show all applicable changes" checked, uncheck it as it will restrict the amount shown then (I think). Let me know how that works. -- 08:46, 23 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Skizz, make sure this info is in the SW:Guide. -- 11:16, 23 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Didn't work Richardson j 18:34, 23 August 2007 (CDT)
 * So you want every day to appear? Well it's been restricted to 7 days maximum; I think you know that though.  Why does it matter though?  How far back do you want to go?  I assume it's restricted to reduce strain on the server.  -- 19:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)
 * I think you can set it under your user preferences to go back as far as you want.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 03:35, 24 August 2007 (CDT)
 * No, you can't. Try changing it, then go back to preferences and the values have maximums (I set days to 9999999 and it went to 7).  -- 11:16, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

image in your sig
I was wondering, how do you put an image in your signature (i.e. Scissors for Skizzerz, box for Echelon, etc.). Just wondering how and thought it would be a neat thing to do. Myth (talk) 20:42, 24 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Sorry about editing your comment, but I dislike it when people put an "s" at the end instead of a "z" for "Skizzerz." Anyway, as for an image like mine or Rocky's, just come onto IRC and I'll explain it to you. As for Echelon's, that's actually a table, not an image. If you want to see the code, this is mine, this is Rocky's, and just go into editing somewhere where Echelon signed to see his. -- 22:09, 24 August 2007 (CDT)
 * BTW the .css is so that it's fully protected, only you and admins can change it then.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 04:59, 25 August 2007 (CDT)

I got a favour.
Due to a but in the internet channel that if i edit a whole article that the text at the end gets chopped of at the end. Even thu i managed to get around that bug by editing the section of the article that i'm working on but the thing is i want to ad a link to a contents page template but it got too much text. I want one of you guys to add the link in for me please. Well unfortunately i haven't witten down the link to the contents template but i know the article name so i can provide a hink to it which should be helpful and here it is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. And the link itself i want it to be put in the extras section and the link to the page is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest/Ocarina Songs but label the link as Ocarina Songs .if you could do that for me please thanks. Richardson j 18:57, 27 August 2007 (CDT)
 * This problem is supposed to be solved for the most part. What browser are you using? -- Prod (Talk) 19:02, 27 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Internet Channel for the wii which is Opera based Most probably fine on the desktop version unfortunately wii version no good but if you do that favour for me please thanks as i have no way of solving the problem .Richardson j 19:10, 27 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Richardson, please don't take this too hard, but I'm going to be very honest with you. Until I understood that you were typing that note of yours through the virtual keyboard on the Wii, I honestly thought that you were drunk, or somehow incapable of typing normally.  The bottom line is this: We are not going to make special provisions for users who wish to edit guides on the Wii.  It is not recommended, nor preferred.  If you do not have a keyboard, you can not type clearly and professionally (as you have demonstrated above), and Opera on the Wii is not a full featured browser.  It does not support all of the featured used by this site to display it properly (as demonstrated by the problems you are having).  You are going to have to find some other method of editing guides on StrategyWiki.  I know you will find one if you want to contribute.  Good luck.  Procyon (Talk) 20:13, 27 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Yes, the wii browser (and cell phones) have problems with editing StrategyWiki. I think the character limit on the Wii's Opera browser is 1024 characters in the text box, but I'm not sure about that (the cell phone is less - only 512 for me). Basically, if you have a computer, don't use the Wii. It's fine for browsing, but use a normal computer with a keyboard for editing unless you really cannot. -- 22:11, 27 August 2007 (CDT)

How to make a new subpage?
For San Andreas I added a glitch on the page but I don't know how to make a new subpage such as the page for glitch "178 Territory Glitch". Can you help me? --Frank2368 17:51, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Just put the name in the search box (such as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas/Appendices/178 Territories Glitch, but with the "178 Territories Glitch" part replaced with the name of your glitch), and click "Go." It should say that the page does not exist, and that you can create this page. Click on that link that says "create this page" and you will find an editing box like the one that you used to make your comment. Click on the "Guide Page" button above the box, and change the   in the Header Nav and Footer Nav to "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" (no quotes, case matters). Then, type your glitch in between the Header Nav and Footer Nav, put in an appropriate edit summary in the summary box, then click save page. Viola, you have just created a sub-page! If you didn't understand all of that, just do it as best as you can, and I'll come by and do the rest after you've saved. -- 17:57, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

Thank you very much--Frank2368 18:03, 29 August 2007 (CDT)

For regular members only: Wikipedia article draft
Hi everyone. Echelon asked me to help write a draft of an article that would be contributed to Wikipedia about StrategyWiki. Aside from the history (how the site began, which I'm not especially knowledgeable about), I have drafted two of the sections, the Mission and the Milestones. I think what I've done is very rough and in need of much improvement, but it should serve as a good foundation. It would mean a lot to this site if all of the regulars took a stab at molding and shaping it until we have an article worthy of depositing on Wikipedia. Have a go at it here: Wikipedia_Article. Thank you! Procyon 21:57, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * The problem is notability. Unless outside sources have noted StrategyWiki, well then it is not supposed to exist on Wikipedia. --Notmyhandle 01:32, 3 February 2007 (CST)
 * It needs to be notable so that it can be verifiable. I wouldn't bother putting an article about this site on there unless it has at least three outside sources (not here, or blogs, but gaming sites might due).  Or perhaps one major news story (like a cnn/nbc kind of thing).  As far as I know we've gotten some attention for challenging gamefaqs, but that isn't notability in itself. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 08:29, 3 February 2007 (CST)
 * What do you guys think of these sources? I am hesitant to say that they alone are enough, but I do think that they would serve well in our defense should our notability be challenged. If we need more sources, perhaps we can simply look into help--I know of a reporter at Wired, for instance.  ech elon  23:57, 3 February 2007 (CST)
 * I believe the key here is to get increasingly notable press for our project. I would like to start seeing GameFAQs regulars switching over to StrategyWiki; a Wikipedia article would only serve as an additional claim to our relevance, and though such would not be the ultimate measure of our project's worth I do believe it can and will serve as a talking point in converting GameFAQs contributors into StrategyWiki contributors. It is ultimately these people of whom we must garner the respect and support of. Random articles and Diggs may help us get more traffic, but they alone will not likely net us the hardcore contributors.  ech elon  00:07, 4 February 2007 (CST)
 * Maybe it's time we got slashdotted. Oh, and a better server while we're at it. GarrettTalk 01:34, 4 February 2007 (CST)
 * I think the Kotaku, MIT Convergence Culture Consortium, Joystiq, and perhaps lifehacker are all good don't bother with digg or delicious obviously.  It'll be a tough call to be sure on notability.  The only thing that could cause us problems is if we don't directly follow policy.  We can't attempt to game the system and using sockpuppets will sadly put our site in a more negative light.  I think we should start the article and use those three (perhaps four) articles as sources.  Ensure that all the information is sourced and meaningful to people outside of just this small group here.  -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 18:45, 4 February 2007 (CST)
 * I doubt the article will have much length, but why not give it a try. Even if it gets deleted eventually we can bring it back. --Notmyhandle 20:18, 4 February 2007 (CST)
 * Just to note, we do get classed in the top 100k websites according to Alexa, though thats only on Sundays... it'll take a little while before our 3 month avg is above 100k. -- Prod (Talk) 22:34, 4 February 2007 (CST)


 * I added our site to the list of sites using MediaWiki, which could count as a reliable source (sort of) because all links on that page are checked for the fact that they A:exist and B:do use MediaWiki. --Ryan SchmidtTalk - Contribs 20:41, 7 February 2007 (CST)
 * Does anyone think we should add a screenshot of bluecloud and maybe Autumn leaf onto this page on mediawiki.org.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 08:57, 2 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Autumn leaf needs a better header image (it's pixelated), preferably one with clouds, before it can be a good mod. -- 12:58, 2 September 2007 (CDT)

Question about transferring a guide
I am currently working on a guide for the old DOS game Star Wars TIE Fighter for gamefaqs.com, but that site has really made me angry over the past few months... So once I complete it, I intend to upload it there, because I've wanted to write this guide for a long time... But would there be any easy way for me to put it on here? Like, can I give you guys permission to use parts of my guide for on here, or how would I go about that? Vegetaman 17:02, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
 * We don't have to give YOU permission, you have to give US permission. By putting anything on this site you are surrendering actual copyright of the document, however your name is associated to the content that you submit.  What this means is that any person can post any part of your guide anywhere so long as they say Vegetaman wrote it.  Anyways, when you're finished (or while you're not finished) you can just start pasting content on the correct pages.  -- 18:01, 31 August 2007 (CDT)


 * Excellent. I'd say I'm only half of the way done, but I hope to be done in a few weeks. I'll have to add the game and somebody will probably have to pretty it up and screenshots will need to be added, but no worries there. Many thanks. Vegetaman 18:52, 31 August 2007 (CDT)