User talk:VictorInThePacific

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Creating a new page

 * 1) Edit the table of contents for your guide and add a link for the page you wish to create.
 * 2) View the resulting table of contents and click on the red link to the page you just added.
 * 3) Click on the Guide page preload button above the edit box.
 * 4) Add content to the page, and use Show Preview to examine your work before saving it.  Pro  cyon  05:06, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Guide discussion pages
I mentioned this in the Staff Lounge, but I'm not sure you saw it. Your comments on the discussion pages of the AoE2 guide are not really necessary. In fact, as correct as you may be about the shallowness of the original material, you're coming off quite demeaning to the original author (who's probably never going to read what you write anyway). We get it, the guide was inaccurate and lacking in details. We're glad you're fixing the guide, but there's no need to insult anyone in the process. The talk pages are there to help authors discuss how to resolve unusual conflicts or ambiguities in the guide, not to justify corrections.  Pro cyon  04:07, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * OK. In future, I will just do whatever I think is appropriate to make the content of the guide better, without providing any commentary as to why I did what I did. I think that this is what you are asking for. BTW, no insults were intended.--VictorInThePacific (talk) 23:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * That would be great. Don't hesitate to use the talk page if you feel that something needs to be explained to other authors so that you're not misunderstood, or if you have a question.  But yes, the commentary on your changes isn't required.  Thanks for your contributions and hard work.   Pro  cyon  02:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You can justify your changes a bit in the summary field before you submit your edit. It's not really necessary, but can be helpful to other editors. For major changes/deletions just say "re-wrote section" or something.-- 07:22, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Header sentence case
Hi Victor, our headings use sentence case, which means only the first word is capitalized unless it is a proper noun. See Guide/Layout for more details. Thanks for all your help, -- 16:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

noted.

However, I have created my own proper nouns, eg. Wall Maze Complex to indicate a specific thing that is not the same thing as would be understood by applying regular English rules to wall maze complex. Another example is cavalier. This word can have many meanings in regular English. But when I capitalize it in my walkthroughs, I am referring precisely to the AoE unit. I have also created a section in the guide describing this, and there is or will be a line at the beginning of each campaign walkthrough referring the reader to the convention section. Thus, where Wall Maze Complex occurs in a section heading, I am not using the standard English title capitalization rule, but my own proper noun capitalization rule. Are you going to disallow this? Assuming it is OK, then I will go back and ensure that all my proper nouns are capitalized, even if they appear in section headings.--VictorInThePacific (talk) 23:42, 2 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Try to avoid creating proper nouns, but I think we'll allow it for now, given the complexity of the definition. I would also document all of these proper nouns in the conventions page you started to help us and readers out. The nouns can be links to the sections in which they are defined, if not on the conventions page itself. -- 07:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Right then. Will work on that, but it will take some time to implement. --VictorInThePacific (talk) 02:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * No rush. =) -- 04:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Multiple guides
This discussion may be better resolved in the staff lounge, but I am going to try and help you understand what we do here. We create our guides by aggregating as much data as possible. This means that the original creator of a guide page may not be the origin for the majority of the content as it currently stands, nor does it mean that content will be preserved (as is evident by your fleshing out of AoE II: AoK). That said, I want to be very clear: we do not create multiple versions of guides (i.e. Age of Empires II: Age of Kings (VictorInThePacific's guide) will not be allowed). We sometimes offer summaries or "quick guides", as seen at Super Mario World/Beating the game in 12 levels. There is, however, one loophole that we usually allow. If you create a subpage for a specific tactic, then we will allow it. Also, a subpage can contain as many variations as are significantly different. If you're worried about variations, I suggest we subpage each level of the campaigns to allow plenty of room for multiple strategies. -- 06:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I will need to think about this. In the meantime, could you please port this topic entire to the staff lounge, and we can hammer it out there.


 * Just to be clear, I am not posting here with any intention of modifying your policies. My only objective here is to put together the most accurate possible walkthrough for AoE 2, but maybe not for all the campaigns, and maybe later I will take on a different game.


 * I am flagging the data for one scenario as having certain deficiencies. I am referring to structural deficiencies, not content deficiencies. So far, I have posted a walkthrough for one campaign in a way that I was comfortable with, and no one else has yet objected to, and a walkthrough for 4 scenarios of a second campaign in a way that I was comfortable with, for which objections have been raised. But there is one scenario for which I have no solution that would make me comfortable, to wit AoE2 - JoA5.


 * I will be visiting this site about once a day, so there will be significant delays in the flow of the discussion.

--VictorInThePacific (talk) 02:57, 4 August 2012 (UTC)


 * That's fine. Can you clarify this for me? "I have posted a walkthrough for one campaign in a way that I was comfortable with, and no one else has yet objected to, and a walkthrough for 4 scenarios of a second campaign in a way that I was comfortable with, for which objections have been raised." What page has had an objection raised, and by whom? You can just link the page to me if you find it again. I haven't noticed any problem with your edits. If the previous guide content sucks, replacing it is fine. If there is some truth in it, then it may better be assimilated into your content. It's not a big deal at the moment, since no one else is working on the guide. -- 18:05, 4 August 2012 (UTC)