User talk:Procyon

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Name
As in the star, the raccoon genus, or the release group? -- Prod 23:51, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
 * lol, the raccoon genus. If I can't use Procyon, I sometimes use Lotor, or Plotor. ^_^  Procyon 07:58, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
 * Hey, can you send me an email, I'd like to discuss something non-SW with you. (You can probably guess what it is from our previous IRC discussion :P) -- Prod (Talk) 12:54, 2 January 2007 (CST)

Cat picture
That is one awesome picture :D -- Prod (Talk) 23:11, 30 January 2007 (CST)
 * I must say it does look a little out of place on the main page. I'm going to revert your change, and try to find a more natural place for Moggy to occupy. :-) --DrBob (Talk) 14:55, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * lmao! Moggy???  Moggy, the StrategyWiki cat.  That works! ^_^ Procyon 15:10, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Moggy it is then! ;p  ech elon  15:13, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * Good choice DrBob, I like Moggy's new home. Procyon 15:16, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * "Moggy" was just off the top of my head. I'm sure a better name -- such as "Paws" (get it?) -- should be used. :-D --DrBob (Talk) 16:30, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * You know, the man makes a good point, "Paws" is pretty funny. Moggy Paws would be cuteness overkill though. Procyon 19:19, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Plots on main page
Really? Well, in that case, I'll put it back once I'm done cleaning up the guide. Sorry.--Dan 19:15, 2 February 2007 (CST)
 * I approve.--Dan 19:22, 2 February 2007 (CST)

Sonic the Hedgehog Badniks page
Saw you further cleaned up what I had changed (I guess we both changed it independently :P). Just wondering why you have the title of the page a second time as a section heading, I find it somewhat redundant. -- Prod (Talk) 12:46, 5 February 2007 (CST)
 * Heh, don't worry too much about overwriting my edits, cause I typically use regex's (that one took about 30 secs :P). That's actually why the (JP) ones at the bottom didn't get changed, they broke the mold.  And I do agree, with the small amount of info put for each of the enemies, == seems a bit too big.  If you figure out a better way, please tell me :). -- Prod (Talk) 13:49, 5 February 2007 (CST)
 * Unrelated, the part that says JP indicates a japanese translation... what is it translated into? Romanji?  Note that if my addition isn't clear. --Notmyhandle 17:01, 5 February 2007 (CST)

Pokemon - Suggestions please?
Hello thank you for the note on my talk page, I have acted on it and have made 9 pages on the Pokémon Gold, Silver and Crystal Page, is there any way that I can improve the page to completion level 2? Thanks Rocky 13:32, 8 February 2007 (CST) I'll try that, thanks again! Rocky 14:12, 8 February 2007 (CST)

Re: Pokemon edits
Hi Garrett. I'm afraid of coming off like a control freak, but I have plans for filling those sections out. If you really feel strongly about your edits, I'll leave them, but if it's alright with you, I'll probably end up replacing them. I just don't want to upset you. On the other hand, I really appreciate your post write-up edits. Let me know how you feel. Thanks Procyon 22:48, 8 February 2007 (CST)
 * No, that's OK. I didn't notice that stub was started by you. I know how you like to do everything in one big, clean edit rather than the dozens of little improvements I tend to do. :) If you give me an idea of what pages you're going to be writing (or, better yet, which ones you aren't going to be writing) I could help fill in those gaps. GarrettTalk 23:38, 8 February 2007 (CST)

Pokemon Screenshots
How do you take screenshots of games on the gameboy? I want to use them on the guides but have no idea how to get them.

P.S I made edits to the second page but the server went down so I will redo them.

P.P.S I feel that the ToC for R/B/Y was better the way it was before. It makes it turn into a walkthrough rather than a list of stats that happen on that route, you could revisit a place and that may have to be a spoiler if it is early on in the game. Check out here(a walkthrough) and here(a list) for what I mean Rocky 10:38, 9 February 2007 (CST)

R/B/Y
Should I be bold in editing the route 1 page or leave you a few days to start the walkthrough your improved way?

Rocky 12:38, 9 February 2007 (CST)


 * OK, I'll start on silver/gold, Thanks

Rocky 12:38, 9 February 2007 (CST)

Pokémon S/G/C
I have started the walkthrough and am up to Route 31, can you help me to make it look like yours, where do you get the pictures and how do I make the text big

P.S How do you find out encounter rates, it would be helpful?

Rocky 05:40, 10 February 2007 (CST)

Images
Just noticed that your images are in Pokemon not Pokémon. Should I start transferring Images over from Bulbapedia to help Rocky 12:54, 10 February 2007 (CST)


 * What about for sapphire and silver/gold/crystal? a ruby image is:

Image:PD&P Pokemon name.png

Sorry, while I was uploading I put charmeleon as 004, here is the link, can you remove it! I've just noticed that all my images have gone and the links are broken, something went wrong HELP:-<!! P.S They're in the upload log P.P.S Some of yours are gone as well How do I make them preserve transparency, it it an option or is it a problem with the server?


 * O.K, I've right clicked on the image but the only option is .BMP, do I just put .PNG instead

Rocky 15:20, 10 February 2007 (CST)

Sorry, my only option is .BMP if I click save picture as, My workaround is to use Paint shop pro to copy and paste into then save as .PNG but that loses the transparancies. Here is a screenshot, delete it after looking Rocky 15:35, 10 February 2007 (CST)



Pokémon Table
Here is a table, it might be helpful to list effectiveness of moves, feel free to tidy it up!Rocky 05:20, 11 February 2007 (CST)

User:Rocky/Test Page

10 yard fight
Wow, thanks for completing the page I started on 10 yd fight. I don't know how to add pictures or edit the page very well yet and your contribution really improved the page.

Image
Can you please delete this from the site, it has the wrong name.


 * removed*

Firefox is much better:)Rocky 11:24, 12 February 2007 (CST)
 * I've deleted the image. In future Rocky, you could edit images you want deleted, and put delete on them, with the first parameter as a reason for deletion. (e.g. ) --DrBob (Talk) 11:52, 12 February 2007 (CST)


 * Thanks DrBob. Keep up the good work Rocky. Procyon 12:23, 12 February 2007 (CST)

S/G/C
Is the article ready for completion stage 2 yet, I will start changing the format when I have uploaded enough images, thanks for all the help ^_^ Rocky 06:31, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Completion
Thanks for the comment earlier, I've just finished the 200th image in the Pokedex, so I will start putting the images in the pages, thanks for the suggestion and I've made my own tables, you will see them shortly.^-^Rocky 10:29, 13 February 2007 (CST)

Potential significant change, could use input and later assistance.
I started a discussion on making a pretty substantial change to infobox and I thought I'd let you know about the discussion in case you were interested or wanted to help with the change if it was supported. link. Oh, and if you know someone who would want to help out/discuss this who's talk page I didn't leave it on, if you could let them know, that'd be useful, thanks. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 09:00, 16 February 2007 (CST)

Images
Hello, I would like to start work on the baldur's gate 2 expansion page, click here for my plan, I would like to know if I could copy the boxart from wikipedia or do I have to find another source? Rocky 12:50, 17 February 2007 (CST)

Viridian Forest
The table's fine now, thanks, Rocky   (talk) 11:18, 21 February 2007 (CST)

P.S I'm not sure if you know, but an easy way to get the "é" is to hold down the Alt Gr key and press the "e*


 * Sorry,I didn't think, I'm using an English keyboard and the alt Gr is the alt to the right of the space bar, sorry for the hassle Rocky [[Image:Rally-X Rock.png|15px]]  (talk) 13:05, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Route 24-25
Proycon, I thought you might like to see this link here, it might be a good idea to put this in the walkthrough or at least warn people not to battle the trainer. I don't know what you think about this but I thought you might want to know. Rocky   (talk) 12:07, 22 February 2007 (CST)

Stepmania
Thanks for your reply at the staff lounge, I just need to check, can strategywiki host:
 * 1) .png Images - background and creator logo, probably the logo from the top of the page will do
 * Sorry, to intrude on your talk proc. Answer: Yes -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 12:47, 23 February 2007 (CST)
 * 1) .ogg or.mp3 files - voice tutorial
 * Yes. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 12:47, 23 February 2007 (CST)
 * 1) .txt text files, I can probably put them in the wiki and ask if they save it a certain way (.sm)
 * No, at least not yet, I asked for more details on the manner in which this text file is used on the staff lounge, could you elaborate? -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 12:47, 23 February 2007 (CST)
 * It's OK, intrude away ^_^; Procyon 13:02, 23 February 2007 (CST)
 * Uh, just post it on a page like "Tutorial" then post the SM content and explain how to make it. --Notmyhandle 20:51, 23 February 2007 (CST)

IE6
in IE6 Pokémon Red and Blue/Route 3 doesn't render correctly, the map is right over the table and I have no idea how to fix it, please help

P.S, MT. Moon, I beat Lt. surge with just a freshly caught Geodude from there, it might be worth a mention Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 16:13, 23 February 2007 (CST)

Route 11 won't render correctly in IE, sorry I don't know how to fix it, I tried the thing you did on the other one and it didn't work, sorry--Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 16:26, 24 February 2007 (CST)

P.S can I change the thing in Pallet town to 150 more, the mew glitch will let you get mew without hacking?

P.P.S, I'm considering stopping the guide, a conversation with Dr. Bob reminded me that I'm only halfway through the walkthrough and these pages, here and here have been really hard going for me, I'll probably go to the Pokémon League then leave someone Kanto.


 * Thanks for the tip, I've started neatening up the guide, when I'm done I will start Kanto :)Rocky [[Image:Rally-X_Rock.png|25px]]  ( Talk Contributions ) 02:04, 25 February 2007 (CST)

Sorry, Route 11 still isn't working for me on (1024x768) I haven't tried any other resolutions--Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 12:04, 26 February 2007 (CST)

Image Upload page
The only thing I know about is MediaWiki:Uploadtext but I don't think it has what you are looking for. Judging by the way DrBob added those warnings for not adding a description, it should be do-able through js since the destination thing is. -- Prod (Talk) 13:14, 27 February 2007 (CST)

Gyromite Game Maps
That game brings back lots of great memories. Back in the day the first Nintendo System I got was the Deluxe Set that came with Gyromite and Duck Hunt. I am currently working on making maps for F-Zero on the SNES, however I could take a break on that and do some for Gyromite. That is one of the games I have thought about mapping. I have just not gotten to it yet. Once I get some I will place a link to them on the Gyromite page you are working on. Then you can upload the maps you want from my map site, and place them in the Gyromite page where you would like them to appear. --Snesmaster 16:15, 27 February 2007 (CST)

Standardization Policy
Just asking, here it has controls in bold but for the Sword of Mana article, I've added the buttons, e.g, am I doing it wrong or does the policy need to be updated, also is there a policy on spelling (English/American), I've found this onWikipedia but what is the actual policy--Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 15:14, 28 February 2007 (CST)
 * The policy you linked to needs to be updated (as do a lot of our "official" docs :-. As for spelling, it doesn't matter as long as the page is consistent, so if someone starts a page in American, you will unfortunately have to continue in American. (This is like Wikipedia, I believe.) --DrBob (Talk) 15:40, 28 February 2007 (CST)
 * That is wikipedia policy. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 20:51, 28 February 2007 (CST)

Wikipedia Template
I've asked at the Staff Lounge about a Wikipedia userbox template that I've made here. I haven't had any respone for days so I'll do it myself but what should I call it?

P.S The text in your Univesity of Pennsylvania alumnus shows up as orange on FF and black on IE6--Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 14:30, 5 March 2007 (CST)

Pokemon Move List
Do you think that we should just link to Bulbapedia here, it would make things a bit easier--Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 00:59, 6 March 2007 (CST)

Thanks for reminding me, I was using my game to copy the moves over, does the list count moves "Imported" From FR/LG?

P.S do you know how to add a line in the box for the signature, it's not that important, just asking--Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 12:44, 6 March 2007 (CST)

Signature
What I was saying about the signature is that I've found out from Ryan Schmidt that I can use my rock as a link, here it is, half my user page, half my talk

The only problem is that the bar for Raw signatures won't let you press enter and you can't use (br) (triangular brackets, I know) so it comes as one line and won't work. Do you know any other way to miss a line?--Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 13:00, 6 March 2007 (CST)
 * I really don't think we should be using image maps in signatures even if it were possible, seems like far too much effort and code just to sign talk messages. We don't want to clutter discussions with all these tags and such. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 13:19, 6 March 2007 (CST)


 * Ok, it was just a suggestion from another user.--Rocky [[Image:Rally-X_Rock.png|25px]]  ( Talk Contributions ) 14:28, 6 March 2007 (CST) (Hopefully my sig's back to normal now).

Move List
What is the long way to make a bulbapedia link (the template puts Pokemon after each name) :( --Rocky   ( Talk Contributions ) 14:51, 6 March 2007 (CST)

P.S What should we do about absorb, the page has already been created here and I feel bad marking it as delete because it is has taked 9 out of the user's 17 edits.
 * Sorry to intrude, Proc. To do a Bulbapedia link, just do BP:Insert Page Name to have a pretty link with the bulb linking to say, the Main Page (You have to declare the alt text though). --Ryan SchmidtTalk - Contribs 15:09, 6 March 2007 (CST)


 * Err, I didn't do the links, I had an edit conflict with someone, now i'm in a mess, I've put my extras as a hidden comment but I don't want to delete the links, is there any way to merge the two, my extra's and the original links

The Tower of Druaga sprites
I've lower-cased the "sprites" in the category name. ;-) --DrBob (Talk) 16:16, 8 March 2007 (CST)
 * I didn't see anything using it, so I assumed you were subst'ing it. It seems a bit unnecessary, since it's just shortening out 5 words and some punctuation.  Though, that gives me the idea that perhaps we can create a template for images in general.  Something like [[Image:_.|]] .  That way if someone wants to add an image, they would do something like  .  Of course, resizing, frame/thumb, and all those other fun things would get annoying to support, and may negate the benefit. -- Prod (Talk) 22:07, 8 March 2007 (CST)
 * I really don't think it'd be useful for something like that, the Image tag is pretty straightforward, and you aren't even eliminating characters by using a template, but you're creating another file. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 09:58, 9 March 2007 (CST)
 * Wait... I thought that templates were applied, on the fly, at the time of the page request. And that theoretically, what I'm saving to the database is a condensed version of what I want displayed, because I'm getting a character savings by using the template instead of spelling it out.  If I were to use subst, then yes, I would agree it would be a complete waste.  But leaving it as a template, I decrease the amount of data needed to store the text of the guide.  Am I completely off base about that? Procyon 10:02, 9 March 2007 (CST)
 * Well if the file is named monster.png, your template would save (30 char) into the file of the page to be parsed by the server when it is accessed, without the template it would be [[Image:monster.png|blahblah]] .  (30 char).  I assume that the image tag would be faster then the template tag, as the template would simple be a file access which would then create the image tag.  Two steps would always take longer then just one.  Although this would seem that all templates are worthless, as they are more steps, but since we save human time in updating and placing them normally, they are advantageous, but your template wouldn't really save human time.  In fact, the brackets of templates take longer to type then then braces of interwiki-links and tags (as mediawiki developers probably realized, since interwiki links are used more).  Although we still use your concept, such as with cade, but that's mostly for ease of use as it doesn't require as many characters and doesn't require knowledge of filenames (sometimes), this wouldn't have either of those benefits. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 10:31, 9 March 2007 (CST)
 * OK, well, I have no problem switching it. But before I do, understand how frequently I'm using it on The Tower of Druaga/Floor 1-10.  I'm nearing 100 uses.  And technically speaking, I believe the server is supposed to cache the template upon the first time it is requested, so it shouldn't be hitting the server for each and every usage, just the first.  I could be wrong about that though.  What it means, is the CPU does the brunt of the work, not the drive-IO.  And text splicing for a CPU is virtually free when compared to drive-IO speeds. Procyon 10:40, 9 March 2007 (CST)
 * (edit conflict) Yeah, I'm sure that's fine, it's very much like the move lists. Good point with the caching though.  is 27 char, and [[Image:Tower_of_Druaga_.png|]] is 46, so with 100+ uses and cached templates, I see the benefit.  You may want to lock it though when you're done, possibly. 100+ uses of some text is an awesome vandalism opportunity, and it isn't going to change. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 11:06, 9 March 2007 (CST)
 * To clarify what I was suggesting, if the file is named MapleStory_File_1.png, you would use which would convert to [[Image:MapleStory_File_1.png]] .  If you use your template in a page, it saves the text as is (so approx 20 chars * 100 = 2k), though the page is rendered and cached until it's changed, and probably comes out the same either way for viewers.  To be honest, I don't think this guide will be edited much after you finish with it, so other people won't really need to learn the syntax.  I'm somewhat ambivalent about it's usage now, it saves a bit of typing, shortens the text, but makes it slightly more complicated for editors, and adds a small step to a one time parse.  I think you're breaking even :P. -- Prod (Talk) 11:20, 9 March 2007 (CST)
 * Good point also. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 11:06, 9 March 2007 (CST)

Spoiler problem
In The Tower of Druaga in IE6 the spoiler section is revealed for about 15 seconds then hides, is there any way to make the lag shorter because I saw the code.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 14:49, 12 March 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually, I think there is a way to fix that, but it comes with a down side. Right now the AGN uses the method I am referring to.  It will first show only the header, and then when the user clicks the show button, the content appears.  The problem comes if the user doesn't have JavaScript.  For the AGN, without JS, only the header will show and they will have to click on the ToC link to see the rest of the pages.  With the spoiler tag, there is almost no way to see the inner content without looking at the code (a bad thing).  -- Prod (Talk) 15:03, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

Re: Compilations in home version comparisons
Hi Garrett. Feel free to completely ignore this, but I was generally under the practice of leaving compilation titles out of the home version comparisons pages. I don't have a particular reason, I just figured it would cut down on the clutter, and the compilation versions strive to be as close to the arcade version that the guide is representing as possible. Like I said, feel free to ignore this, it's just as suggestion. Nice job with the Gauntlet Noteworthies though, that's cool. Might wanna mention Dark Chambers for the Atari 800. (It also had a very inferior Atari 2600 version.)
 * Yeah, that makes sense. With other pages I covered them anyway since some actually have their own bugs or inaccuracies, but I really don't know anything about flaws in these particular compilations. As for Dark Chambers the way I understand it it's an updated version of Dandy Dungeon, so it's mentioned along with that. Thanks for your help. :) GarrettTalk 21:46, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Renaming pictures
Why exactly do my pictures need to be renamed? From what you say, it seems that they are not descriptive enough. I think they are descriptive. What other games have a "Dragon Roost Island"? Is there some image policy I haven't read because at Wikipedia I never got trouble with my image names. You'd think that at a niche wiki like this one, the image names would need to be less descriptive than at a wiki about everything. MD80 13:39, 23 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Thank you for explaining to me. What I meant by "niche website" (no connotation attatched!) was that it was only a wiki about games and strategy guides. I think you might have thought I meant a site just for Zelda? Thanks again. MD80 14:09, 23 March 2007 (CDT)


 * Sorry for the mixup. It is a little confusing. Just like to say that I didn't know about that policy, and it's not that I was being lazy and didn't feel like putting the name, I just wasn't aware I needed to. MD80 14:56, 23 March 2007 (CDT)

Pokemon blue and red in IE
Sorry, can you please help me with Celadon city and Saffron, I've resized the Saffron city pic to make it work but I'm not sure about how to do Celadon because the pic would be too small (I think).--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 17:18, 23 March 2007 (CDT)

Award
Well, I suppose it was because it was the page I was looking at at the time. I changed the wording and link to cover the entire walkthrough. Good job! Lunar Knight (Talk to me + Contribs) 16:42, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Comm Issues Revert
Why'd you revert your additions? You have good ideas. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 22:27, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

Tower of Druaga PCE translation
Good translation, but you missed at least one little thing--at the "Press Run" screen, try tapping Up six times, Left four times, and then Right three times before the "In another time" screen pops up. A secret message will appear. I don't know exactly what it says, but it's a joke in reference to the fact that using the same code in the Famicom version of the game allows you to go to "Another Druaga," a more difficult tower that forces you to do different things to make the chests appear and get through the final levels. The message is basically saying that the game is unable to let you play "Another Druaga" because it doesn't exist in the PCE version. (That's because the "Pro Game" mode is essentially the same idea.) --Pluvius 18:09, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

Pokémon G/S/C
Bulldoze...From Scratch, AARGHH!:) Thanks for the offer and I accept it, you might also want to ask Halosonic about this as he's a contributor as well, I'd rather you worked from the information we gathered rather than start again totally because that would be a total waste of mine and your time (IMO) but I'm happy for you to try and improve it!I'll try and improve it before you come so you don't have that much work to do. BTW thanks for the congrats.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 16:26, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Actually thinking about it, do you have plans on how to remake the Pokémon table, that will be a really big pain because of Day/Night/Morning and G/S/C, what are your thoughts on this.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 16:32, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Basicly, I'm happy for you to improve the guide as long as you base it on what we've done, I think that this will be different to the other two guides because a lot of info has been clooected already. You don't have to do the table now but I'm worried about how we'll fit in the cycles and the games in one table.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 16:46, 12 April 2007 (CDT)
 * It looks good, but what happens when Hoppip is only in Crystal--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 17:00, 12 April 2007 (CDT)

Slash buttons
First, thanks a lot for the NeoGeo buttons! Now, about the Slash buttons, the problem is that, just like the other games have an Any Punch and Any Kick  entry, Samurai Shodown and Last Blade use Any Slash entries, so for these I would have to write "Any slash button" or something like that... So I think it would be better to have those Slash buttons.TheOverlord 12:42, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
 * Great work with the slash button!! Gonna finish these move lists as soon as I can! :) TheOverlord 12:56, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

FC Twin
Sorry, but short on time atm, but perhaps putting it in the SNES/NES category (and them in it's category) might be the only use. I only converted it to a cat since it is technically a system and didn't want to break with standards. It shouldn't matter if we use the cat or not anywayz. -- Prod (Talk) 17:51, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Pokemon R/B/Y
Thanx for the invite, and ill do my best. however, dont expect very swift responses until june; my final exams start real soon, so ill be studying. but afterards, ill be more than happy to help. Halosonic 10:59, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

Re: Using the Japanese tag in infobox?
Hi Garrett. I just noticed the change you made to the Game Category involving Japanese characters. Can you think of anyway that we could incorporate the Japanese tag in the infobox? I can't at the moment, short of creating a page with the Japanese name that redirects to the original page, and for that kind of effort, it's not worth it. I was just wondering if you could think of something smarter. Procyon (Talk) 19:43, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
 * One method would be to add categories along the lines of . Check out the sandbox. While this does sort pages according to the Japanese name the link is still displayed in English. Short of some fancy extension, the only way to have the names display correctly is with redirects. I really don't know how useful this current trick will be. GarrettTalk 19:55, 14 May 2007 (CDT)