User talk:Echelon

Some Nice Extensions
I've browsed through mediawiki.org's extension matrix the other day and I've found a few extensions that would be nice to have (not all of them now, but in the future perhaps). I've arranged it in a sortable table format with rationales and links to make it easier for you to make a decision on them :)

Also, I've bolded the name on those that I feel would help right now, the rest can be installed whenever (if ever). If a release status is italicized it means that it may not work correctly on our current version of MediaWiki. An underlined release status means that it has dependencies which we may or may not have installed as of yet. An italicized name means that we already have it, it just needs to be updated. These are also marked with "(update)" in the release status.

I'll be giving you messages like this periodically, but I'd appreciate it if you looked over these extensions. -- 16:57, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
 * I would say yes to the bolded ones (Parser is already installed, probably just needs an update) and no to the non bolded (beta, spammable, editcountitis). -- Prod (Talk) 21:28, 29 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Hence the "(update)" part. ;) Anyway, of the non-bolded ones, the only one I feel that we might need in the future is the RandomSelection one, mainly for rotating the featured guides once we get a few. I don't know what kind of caching issues the extension causes however, so I'll need to do a bit more research on that (which is actually why it isn't bolded). As for MultiUpload, I can see what Prod means by 'spammable' (I'm assuming that it was the one he was referring to). You can prevent either some or all of the spam by restricting what rights groups can use it (namely either autoconfirmed or sysop), but I have no idea how to do that, either. :( Oh, and we seem to be missing the description image for imagemap. A quick fix would be copying Wikipedia's and just putting it in the appropriate path (which can be found on InvisiClues). -- 09:41, 30 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, nice job! I really like some of these. As soon as I get back from robotics lab tomorrow I'll be on it. I'll give MediaWiki an upgrade while I'm at it. echelontalk 02:21, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
 * You'll be making a backup to update MediaWiki anyway, so could you look into making it available (except for the user table), or at least supply it to the sysops/bureaucrats? StrategyWiki has boatloads of content now, and having a few backups held by the regulars can't be a bad thing. GarrettTalk 04:20, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Is it worth upgrading MediaWiki at the moment? The next major version will be out soon, so it might be an idea to wait until then. -- 05:29, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Personally, I'm more comfortable with bugfix versions of the branches since they tend to have fewer bugs in the new features. -- Prod (Talk) 19:36, 31 August 2007 (CDT)
 * Let me talk with you guys in IRC tomorrow (today - Saturday afternoon EST) about getting fresh backups distributed this weekend. If you think it's best to wait on the new MediaWiki branch, I trust that assessment as well. I think it should be okay to work with the extensions, though. echelontalk 01:47, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I updated ParserFunctions, added DeletedContributions, MultiUpload, Newuserlog, and UsernameBlacklist. While I liked some of the other extensions, I do not feel comfortable that they are not built by the MediaWiki team. I would like to continue discussion of those extensions before we reach a consensus on whether or not to add them. If you can, test the heck out of the extensions that were added to make sure nothing went awry. echelontalk 02:19, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I'd be wary of the username blacklist, one wrong edit can block all user creation so I think we should update the mediawiki text here Maybe with an email address or something in case that happens .--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 02:55, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Special:MultipleUpload is a bit messed up atm.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 02:57, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

I tried fixing Special:MultipleUpload, but even CSS didn't hide the edittools at the bottom for me, so I just reverted my changes to let you (or someone else) have a go at another method. As for the blacklist, you may want to set a few people with the "uboverride" right so they can create blacklisted accounts upon request if there is a good reason for it. As for blocking everybody... yeah, that might be a problem. You could put in a comment (a line starting with #) of regexs NOT to use. -- 11:04, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Oh, and Special:DeletedContributions is broken (not just the interface showing up correctly, but it gives db errors when you actually try to look them up). -- 11:16, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
 * We need an new welcome message now, and new user log only works for a day.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 11:54, 1 September 2007 (CDT)
 * For the moment, you can subst User:Rocky/Welcome.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 11:59, 1 September 2007 (CDT)

New User Log
While the new user log is kinda neat, it doesn't seem to be of much use to us. Because we aren't welcoming new users until they've actually made a contribution, the log doesn't serve much purpose that I can see. It just clutters up the recent changes list. Is there a setting where I can turn that off?-- Duke Ruckley  21:43, 2 September 2007 (CDT)
 * For the moment, enhanced recent changes hides the logs, but I really would like another way.--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 02:54, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
 * It does get a bit messy, doesn't it? I wonder if there's a way around showing it all in Recent Changes... echelontalk 15:41, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I do like to see all these strange, unused accounts and the socks that get created by some of them. Only thing better would be IP's. -- 16:26, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

Donation
No, it's ok. Just the name is fine. -- 08:58, 4 September 2007 (CDT)


 * Same here Ech. BTW, we tried to replace the "Donate" text with the Paypal icon that Skizzerz put on the Donation page, but it didn't work.  That nav bar obviously needs some tweaking to allow images to appear in there, but I think it would be worthwhile if it's possible.  If it can be done, it should be positioned below "Help".  As for attracting new traffic, Duke and I came up with a funny campaign slogan: "What the FAQ? www.strategywiki.org" :) Procyon (Talk) 09:19, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I had a go on my user page, is this what you want?--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 09:54, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Err... kind of. I assume you got it as close to what I meant as you could, but yeah, the image would literally replace the text, not live along side of it.  Procyon (Talk) 13:27, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
 * It's an issue with different screen sizes and browsers I think, on mine it replaces the donation text. Anyways, could you externally link to the image in the mediawiki sidebar?--Rocky http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/78/Rally-X_Rock.png/25px-Rally-X_Rock.png (Talk - Contributions) 14:39, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
 * That was a no-go. I tried it out, didn't work.  Someone needs to fiddle with the MediaWiki:Sidebar settings to allow it.  Procyon (Talk) 16:30, 4 September 2007 (CDT)

Yo Ech, keep my (real) name private aight? =) You can list me as my username.  -- 21:00, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Sure thing. I promise not to tell anyone your real name is Georg Fredrick Claget von Dusseldorf. I totally promise. :P echelontalk 22:21, 4 September 2007 (CDT)
 * If I donate $1 100 times, do I get my name on the list 100 times? -- 02:18, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
 * If you donate it all in the same month, no. You can, I suggest, donate $1 every month for 100 months and get your name on the list 100 times. :P

Goals
One of the things that has come up in discussions is the question of where money gets put to use, so I think a productive thing to do would be to come up with some sort of list of goals or places where money would be applied to. Donators would be more inclined to donate knowing specifically where it would be applied to and feel reassured it was being put to good use. Charitwo and I discussed fundraising (see my talk page for a little bar) and that if we were to say it was a fundraiser then it would be easier to work towards any goals we made. Hm, maybe that's it (I can't check my IRC logs for a few days)! Fundraiser + Goals = Win! -- 18:54, 14 September 2007 (CDT)
 * For now, I'd be happy with budgets/balance sheets for the past few months (since we got google ads). -- Prod (Talk) 19:42, 14 September 2007 (CDT)

Zelda Wiki Interconnectivity
Hey - this is Jason. I'm not entirely sure if it was you who I spoke to earlier in the summer, as I've misplaced your AIM s/n, but I'm assuming it was. Remember how we spoke about "integrating" StrategyWiki and ZeldaWiki.org? Curiously enough, although I put links to SW on ZW.org, I never saw this fabulous integration happen on your end. I was very excited about it, saw that it didn't happen, and then just ignored it for a while. But now I want to see it. Are you still up for it? --GoldenChaos 11:19, 13 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Ah, yes! I really apologize for the delay. At the time I was waiting for the final version of Procyon's LttP guide, and I got completely sidetracked. I'm going to talk with Procyon and others about how best to implement this--details such as whether we should use templates or interwiki, etc. I should have this resolved for you guys by this weekend. echelontalk 02:11, 14 September 2007 (CDT)
 * There are two levels on which this can be accomplished. One would be the obvious guide front page link like we have for a lot of Wikipedia articles.  So LttP could easily have a "for more information, see..." link on it to ZW.org once DrBob and the others decide upon a template format.  The other level is a level that has already been implemented to a very small extent.  The name Sahasrahla has been linked to ZW.org throughout LttP for some time now.  It was an easy and obvious choice, and few other terms are linked as well.  Since I'm not entirely familiar with the content of ZW.org, and don't know what terms are available for linking, it might be more advisable to suggest that GoldenChaos search through the guide and find some terms that he feels is appropriate to link up.  He can then either proceed to link them on his own by editing the guides, or submit a list of terms that he would like to see linked, and we can proceed with the edits.  I think the only problem on our side is not a lack of willingness, but an unfamiliarity with the content of his site.
 * P.S. I left a response for you about DoubleJump when you get a chance. Procyon (Talk) 06:49, 14 September 2007 (CDT)
 * I brought up a more "visible" thread in Community Issues sometime yesterday (here), so perhaps we should discuss this there? Also, I've tried contacting Jason on his ZW talk page, but they're currently having some sort of server problem that isn't allowing some pages to be displayed (including his talk page). -- 08:31, 14 September 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, I'm working to resolve that problem. Should just be a PHP memory issue, I think... I'm just being lazy. Shame on me. But it'll be easier to let the server guys fix it; I also need them to fix ImageMagick anyway, so I'll give them a call in fifteen minutes or so. As per the content of Zelda Wiki.org, it really applies to characters, items, places etc. from the Zelda series. That's a broad description. So, I would link items, characters, and places within the walkthroughs to go to ZW.org, or something along those lines. --GoldenChaos 09:30, 15 September 2007 (CDT)

DynamicPageList update(s)
Just dropping by to let you know that our current version of the DynamicPageList extension is a bit out of date (1.3.1 versus the current 1.4.8). Therefore, I wish to request that it be updated. See: version history download. Thanks! -- 19:36, 15 October 2007 (CDT)

Skins
Hey Ech, I was trying to update my reskin of bluecloud but I ran into a little problem. I'm attempting to alter the background of the gallery that appears in image categories (I assume this is the same as using ) to black, but to no avail. I've changed all the references I believe that would be handling that attribute, but still nothing. Using WebDeveloper I've looked into what inherited values could be causing the problem, and all I can pinpoint are from http://media.strategywiki.org/w/skins/common/commonPrint.css (what is that anyways? could it be globally dominating all the skins?). I dunno, maybe I'll go back and keep looking for substitutes, however, I had the idea that maybe we could create an actual entry for the skin so that it wouldn't have the inherited bluecloud css possibly messing it up. Could we do that? -- 02:46, 5 November 2007 (CST)
 * Additionally, we need to set up a policy (this is more like something we'll put up in community issues) about keeping templates, tables, etc. skin neutral. For instance, we need to define properties within specialized classes, otherwise skins like mine end up with a lot of contrasting colors of both extremes (dark blue on black, white on white, etc.).  Although this increases the amount of data stored in each skin, it does have some reduction in data otherwise (substing a template with skin neutral properties will result in less characters being saved).  I don't see it as a problem, but I'm not running the server nor do I have experience with MediaWiki.  What do you think?  -- 06:33, 12 November 2007 (CST)
 * We already have a semi-official policy on this, and I've been moving the CSS out of templates wherever I see it in the wrong place. What you've done with the thankyou template isn't right though. You should add the class, and then move the CSS to MediaWiki:Common.css, or better yet, notify me and I'll do it. --DrBob (talk) 10:55, 12 November 2007 (CST)
 * Yeah I know where the css is supposed to go, just I didn't know if I was allowed to edit it or whatever. Additionally, if it's redefines in the skin, will it override common.css?  'Cuz if it doesn't, that's part of the problem.  -- 15:11, 12 November 2007 (CST)
 * The skin's CSS is imported after common.css, so as long as each CSS rule's selector has the right level of specificity, things should work smoothly. --DrBob (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Upgrading MediaWiki
Just a friendly reminder to update our MediaWiki version. And if at all possible, can you look into the 1.12a trunk (SVN) instead of 1.11? It has a lot of cool options that, when enabled, will make life a lot easier. For example, we'll have:
 * Special:MergeHistory if you set the 'mergehistory' right. It does as the name implies, letting you merge the histories of two articles without having to do all that deletion/undeletion crap (to set the right, add $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['mergehistory'] = true; in LocalSettings.php).
 * Email bans when blocking
 * Revision deletion if the rights are set (in LocalSettings.php, add in $wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['deleterevision'] = true; and $wgGroupPermissions['bureaucrat']['hiderevision'] = true;).
 * You can now move a page without creating a redirect (not sure what happens to the moved page as of yet though)
 * $wgAddGroups and $wgRemoveGroups allow giving other usergroups partial access to Special:Userrights (without having to assign them the 'userrights' permission)
 * parser function for getting the real URL of files
 * All pages have feed links
 * Allows retrieving raw content via action=raw
 * Allows you to protect uncreated pages via a protect tab (no transcluding/cascading crap)
 * Deleted revisions can be viewed as diffs versus any other revision of that article, deleted or live
 * Added $wgUseNPPatrol option for ability to patrol Special:Newpages, as well as adding filters for that page
 * Parsing order has changed
 * API has been vastly expanded

For a full list of everything added in 1.10, 1.11, and 1.12, check this for 1.12 and this for the others. Also, if you decide to set $wgBlockAllowsUTEdit to true (which allows blocked users to edit their user talk page), you can use the patch from this bug (don't forget to run the SQL query as well, outlined in comment #12). If not... don't bother :)

Also, when you update, MultipleUpload is incompatible with 1.11+, so you'll have to remove that extension from LocalSettings.php. On the other hand, CheckUser should work perfectly with 1.12, so definately try that :) -- 20:13, 21 December 2007 (CST)

IMPORTANT: SECURITY FIX
Our current version of MediaWiki (1.11.0) has a possible XSS injection vector for Internet Explorer users. Please upgrade to 1.11.1, which fixes this issue (release notes/explanation | 1.11.1 from SVN) no 1.11.1 bundle available as of yet, will post update when there is. -- 19:08, 23 January 2008 (CST)
 * Bundle now available, see -- 19:13, 23 January 2008 (CST)

Japanese Translation plz
Hey Ech, I've been trying to play the Japanese version of Drift City, however once I get to the main login screen I get the two messages shown in the image (I screen shotted them and added the numbers for convenience). #1 appears automatically right when the login prompt shows up, but the second is shown after I attempt a login. I know my username/password work because I can log into their website (I even changed my pass), and when you first load the game you have to enter a username/pass (so two prompts). Maybe I should capture the labels for ID/Password, but I know it says password in katakana (pasuwarudo). Btw, I already understand the messages contain the english word "access" in them, so I assume it's just not working correctly for some reason... -- 12:20, 24 January 2008 (CST)

StrategyWiki FTP access
If you don't mind, may I please have FTP access to the StrategyWiki filesystem? I would use it for updating files like the skin file so I don't have to resort to site js as a temp fix waiting for someone else to implement it for me. Also, I could keep our critical extensions (like ParserFunctions) up-to-date, as well as assist in debugging after version upgrades. If you need some more reasons to trust me than my sysopship here shows, I am also a sysop on MediaWiki.org and the Central (main) Wikia. If you need some proof that I know what I am doing, check out the extensions I made and also note that I have SVN commit access to http://svn.wikimedia.org. Thanks! -- 17:54, 11 February 2008 (CST)
 * Replied on my own talk page, but perhaps here is more noticeable for you. Also, please check out the staff lounge for an interesting (and annoying) bug. -- 15:54, 12 March 2008 (CDT)

New MediaWiki Extension (video-wiki)
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 * Replied on this talk page, I do believe you'll agree with me on this, but if you'd like to reply yourself, go ahead. -- 12:15, 18 February 2008 (CST)
 * I don't believe we're quite ready for this just yet. However, you can try to email. -- Prod (Talk) 11:31, 5 March 2008 (CST)

StrategyWiki forum @ ABXY
Ideally, could the sysops here be local moderators of the StrategyWiki forums at ABXY (although if you want to make us Global Mods... feel free ^_^)? Also, please tell me you can make it to the next staff meeting! :P -- 20:05, 6 March 2008 (CST)
 * Yeah, absolutely. Let's discuss more during the staff meeting. :) echelontalk 07:35, 7 March 2008 (CST)

Video wiki extension
Hi Echelon,

I sent you a mail regarding a new video wiki extension - hope to get a reply.. Thx! IdoSet 01:50, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

Poke
Just a prod regarding User talk:Ryan Schmidt. If you'd like to set that up, I'd really appreciate it. Feel free to email me with the more private aspects of this if need be, or come onto IRC. -- 17:41, 2 April 2008 (CDT)

credit for contributions...
Echelon,

Okay...Prod says you are da man. I wanted to run something by you. I don't know how to do it more privately or if it should be private.

In the past I have provided guides that are nowhere else on the internet to your site, literally months of work devoted to this, and now I have gone ahead and created my own fledgling, baby web site. I would like to continue contributing to your website, but when I do contribute, not to be self-centered, but I would like to put "Contributed by CNCGuides.com"

If you don't feel that is a format you would like to deal with I understand, but I seem to remember that in the past I read that if something is taken from somewhere else, you should give credit to that resource. This will be a contribution from my website.

Whatever you decide, that's fine. It just seems we have some of the same interests, which is a good thing, and I appreciate your thoughtfulness in letting me express myself on the web as I see is beneficial and fulfilling for everyone involved.

Thanks and best wishes to you...


 * Hey Karl. If your guides from another site were made freely available (free as in freedom) and are anywhere on this website, then you absolutely have a right to put a link on the guide. I would suggest putting it on the bottom of the main guide page where it is visible above any other external links, or perhaps as the kind of template we use for "Wikipedia has more on...". In fact, a template might be a good idea for this. I'll talk with Prod again, and I suggest that you join us at our meeting this weekend so that we can address this in a way where you not only get credited, but you get credited in a fitting way.


 * Thanks for working on C&C for us! echelontalk 14:12, 4 April 2008 (CDT)

Echelon,

First and foremost, thanks for allowing me to do this. I truly appreciate it!

I am not sure how and when to join the meeting, but what I might do is try to figure out how to put a link and put it in. From there, Prod I am confident will review it and make any improvements or changes he feels are necessary.

Thanks again...Karl

Strategy Wiki forums
I'm beginning to get pissed off. No matter what browser I use whether its Firefox or Safari, I cannot join the ABXY forums. Is there any solution for this? Lunar Knight (Talk to me + Contribs) 11:25, 6 April 2008 (CDT)
 * Register as Lunar Knight. -- 20:45, 6 April 2008 (CDT)
 * If you want to email me some basic credentials (email address/temp password) I can just make it for you. -- 20:46, 6 April 2008 (CDT)

stratawiki.com
Hi Echelon. About 1 year ago I registered the domain stratawiki.com with the intent to create the exact site that you have: a wiki devoted to gaming strategy and walkthroughs (basically a wikified GameFAQs). At the time I didn't know about strategywiki.org, but saw that there was a need for such a site. I'm happy to see that someone was able to follow through to create one.

Would you and the other admins like to own the stratawiki.com domain? I happened to have just renewed it through April of 2009, and I don't plan on renewing it again. If the Strategy Wiki crew is interested, I'll transfer it to you for free (assuming you cover any transfer/registration fees); otherwise I'll just let it expire next year.

Kanook 14:55, 14 May 2008 (CDT)

Contact Email
Hi Echelon,

Is there any way I can get in touch with you via email? I tried emailing your echelon@gmail.com account and I think you haven't gotten my mail yet.

If you could, email me at bluespire@gmail.com. Thanks!
 * You can also try clicking the link in the toolbox (upper right hand blue section) titled "E-mail this user." -- 03:18, 15 May 2008 (CDT)

Broken Page
Some of the pages are broken when you are not signed in. For example, on Maple Story if you go to the Jobs or the Thief page when you're logged out it will give you a MySQL DB error and show a bunch of queries. If you log in it works properly.

Also, if someone would like to show me how to use the show/hide feature so that I can include the DB error, that'd be great. --Deny360 14:10, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for all the crap.
Yes, I put the by-line in the wrong place. I told Garrett it was probably a misunderstanding and then I apologized for my stridency.

And I was right. It was a misunderstanding. I put the by-line on a MINOR page instead of a MAJOR page.

When Procyron started interrogating me on the timing of my contributions, I decided I didn't want to be interrogated and I was going to leave the site instead of being interrogated, and, yes, I told Procyron what I thought of all of the interference I have received.

It was the same attitude I have always gotten, and the fact I was correct about his attitude is made clear in his latest posts about how I am such an immature person for wanting a by-line.

After countless back-and-forth issues with I may unkindly call the "bureacracy" just to get it where my friends could find my posts on here, I was somewhat tired of the hassle even before today.

When Procyron started interrogating me on my by-line, I decided to leave Strategywiki.

With my go away message, I got multiple responses of what an ASS I was...the entire section was titled what an ASS I was, everyone jumped on the band wagon.

Even after all of that, I just was going to fade away.

But the insults kept coming and coming and coming.

After each insult, it's like, okay, all of these folks are insulting me and they get to keep my contributions -- fine.

And they wouldn't stop. I was just saying "bye" and they couldn't get in enough jabs and insults to me.

Time after time, it's like okay, they got in a good parting shot. So be it.

So be it.

So be it.

And finally it's like, okay, I have been insulted enough, I guess maybe I should take advantage of Procyron's offer just to delete all of my contributions. It's his idea.

So please delete all of my contributions. This is not a knee-jerk reaction. This is a reaction after I have been offended time after time after time.

I am sorry. I just wanted to fade away and say why I was offended. I guess I was an "ass" to be offended. And everyone just had too much fun with me in the process.

Best wishes to you, not that you will need it.