StrategyWiki:Staff lounge/2007/October

code with spaces
When a link or image name has spaces in it I just noticed that both space and underscore work in the same manner(at least in my browser). I'm confused on if there is a prefered standard.

Also, is it ok to take information from a walkthrough book if the information is a statistic or number that would be the same in every source? For example: The encounter rates of enemies in a specific area or how many HP something has. Zaiqukaj 07:59, 1 October 2007 (CDT)
 * There's no standard for spaces vs. underscores right now. I personally prefer to use spaces because I think it looks cleaner.  As for statistics from games, as long as you do not copy the formatting of a guide, you can use the information.  Everything you take/learn from another guide must be rewritten to avoid copyvio.--
 * It's better to upload images with underscores but it doesn't really matter.-- The preceding signed comment was added by Rocky (talk • contribs). 10:29, 1 October 2007 (CDT)
 * When using the images in a page, try to avoid underscores. They aren't really necessary and it looks cleaner.  The underscores are converted to spaces when you upload the file anywayz. -- Prod (Talk) 11:18, 1 October 2007 (CDT)

infoboxes
With the different categories that infoboxes cover, is there a proper/preferred way to cover remakes or game collections that include the game? There are also some services that allow use of older games. Should the dates a game becomes available on one of those be stated somewhere? Just thought I would ask since Wikipedia threw me off by giving release dates for Midevil on Playstation Network. --Zaiqukaj 06:08, 3 October 2007 (CDT)


 * Zai, I'm not sure if you still have questions, but I don't really understand your questions enough to give you a straight up response. Usually different versions of a game are taken care of together in one guide, otherwise we have two separate guides (separate categories too).  I think Contra III: The Alien Wars has like 3 games detailed in one guide (all with their respective cats at the bottom).  Game collections usually get to completion stage 4 quickly, so check that list for games like Mega Man Anniversary Collection.  -- 19:30, 13 January 2008 (CST)

I'm confused
Well i started to edit Neo Geo and i added in an infobox via then saved it off so a second later it comes up with the needed syntax. I thougt it be simply like other infoboxes but it ended being jiberish to be .Richardson j 06:14, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Fixed that. You must have used subst: when creating it. It's currently just a stub, so could use some information filled in.  Check System for some documentation of variables. -- Prod (Talk) 09:26, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I added some info to the infobox, but it could still use some information in the body of the page... Oh, and Prod I hope you don't mind, I fixed the link in your response.--
 * Ok thanks Richardson j 18:15, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

For the experts out there.
OK, so Prod and I have been on a tear to reorganize the fighting game move lists and get them transcluded on respective pages. I thought it was a pretty good idea, and it has been working well up until now. If anyone tries to check out Street Fighter Alpha 3, with its 33 transcluded move lists, they're probably not going to succeed. It seems to time out. I've been editing the page to try things out, and the most number of guys that I can get to show up without it bombing out is around 10, and even then it's extremely sloooooooow. I don't know if there's anything that I can do to optimize the individual lists, or anything in general that would help SW build this page in its entirety... I think we may simply have hit upon some kind of limit. Any advice that anyone has on this problem would be greatly appreciated. Chances are I'll just break the list down into smaller sections, as unfortunate as that would be. (Well, it wouldn't be that unfotunate, it would just make SFA3 different from the other lists...) Procyon (Talk) 16:47, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I've always been kind of confused with the move lists project. What exactly is the goal?  Are you trying to put all of the lists on each guide as well as a specific character page for each character with all of their moves from each game?  Also, it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea to have a separate page for each character in the guides with strategies vs. other characters (or is this part of the transclusion as well?).  Like I said, I've always been kind of confused about it.  Maybe it would be worth it to create a move lists project page that explains what you are trying to do and has a to do list for those of us who don't really know where to begin.  Kind of like the cleanup project.--
 * The original intention was to have two ways for a player to reference moves from every fighting game: A master list of all the characters from a particular game, and a character list with all of his/her moves from every game. That was the the concept at it's most basic.  Unfortunately, the original plan doesn't lend itself very well to the organization here at SW.  (I mean, it lends itself well, just not very well.)  So Prod convinced me of a few reformatting ideas, and I like them a lot, particularly because rather than having to update to distinct lists in order to keep each page up to date, you only have to update one, and the update occurs everywhere the list is transcluded.  So even if we transclude it three or more times, it's not a problem.  At this very moment, Street Fighter II has pretty much the ideal format for the move lists.  Each game's page contains its master move list, and each of the character pages reference their own moves from each of the games.  (This way you can see how the moves differ from one version to another).  Versus strategy was never in the scope of the Move Lists project itself, per se.  That doesn't mean there's anything stopping anyone from adding a strategy page to any fighting game page they wish.  Along those lines, a combo page might be nice as well, but my personal biggest concern was recording all of the special moves.  So... does that answer all of your Qs Duke?  Cuz I'm really hoping someone can answer mine.  I have a feeling that Template:SFA3 may be part of the problem :( Procyon (Talk) 20:05, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

Update: Well I tried blanking out Template:SFA3 as a test, and the page (slowly) succeeded to load. But that template is extraordinarily useful for that game. So either I need to find a way to trim so fat, or split the list up into two parts. Still curious if anyone has any ideas. Procyon (Talk) 20:46, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

Redirects
How do you do them? I want to make sure "COD4" and "Call of Duty 4" all go to Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. Baejung92 23:23, 3 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Create the page COD4 where the content is " #REDIRECT Call of Duty 4 " without quotes. When redirecting to category pages you MUST place a colon in front of the title of the page you are redirecting to, for example: " Category:RPG ." -- 00:35, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * There is also a link in the edittoolbox (just below the edit box) to add a redirect in case you forget. -- Prod (Talk) 09:42, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Prod's talking about this image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/Button_redirect.png -- 14:00, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Do you really have to put a colon in front of the link name? I never have and it seems to be working fine...--
 * If you don't, the page gets put in the category Duke... -- 18:00, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * You know you've had a long day when you can't even read things correctly... I somehow totally missed the fact that you were talking about category pages.  I think I need some sleep.--
 * Actually, I'm talking about the text boxes below. Under Wiki markup: there's a bunch of useful ones.  Though that one is probably better. -- Prod (Talk) 20:17, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * OK Thank yous. Baejung92 19:26, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

Renaming Images
Am I allowed to rename images? If so, how do I do it, and if not, the one needing to be renamed is "Image:COD2 Silo Barn.jpg". It should actually be named "Image:COD2 Silo Post Office.jpg". Baejung92 19:55, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Upload it under the new name, and mark the old one for deletion with delete. Make sure you add a reason why (link to the new image). -- Prod (Talk) 20:16, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * He meant "Save it, then re-upload it under the new name..." -- 23:05, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Any user can, or just ask me. To do it, go to the image page, click on the imget to get the fuull version, save it to your PC as the right name, open a new tab or window with the upload screen, select the file, edit the image, copy all the info, go back to the image page, say who originally uploaded it, upload it, change all links to the new image, then add delete to the original imge.-- The preceding signed comment was added by Rocky (talk • contribs). 02:02, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * If I uploaded the image and still have it, I can just reupload it under the new name right? Baejung92 17:17, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Just follow Rocky's instructions. If you already have it saved you can skip that step.  -- 18:53, 5 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Yeah, it also helps if you made the image so you can miss out the attribution.-- The preceding signed comment was added by Rocky (talk • contribs). 00:35, 6 October 2007 (CDT)

Singapore release date
Do we have any templates for a Singapore release date? Wikipedia's abbreviation for it is sg and I could not find it in the little listing in our Release date templates. Messing with templates is still a foreign idea for me so a little help or advice would be appreciated. --Zaiqukaj 03:43, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
 * We don't currently, but I'll create one. In future, just use the template as you would normally (even though it doesn't exist), and just point me to the page using it, and I'll create the template. :-) Oh, and could you not add wikipedia to articles unless the Wikipedia article is particularly useful? Thanks. -- 09:15, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Sure thing and thanks for the help. I'm starting to get a good understanding of how things work here. Almost all of the mario party pages don't have any content beyond the infobox. The wikipedia pages all had pretty detailed descriptions of the features and links to other related sites. It should prove to at least be a bit more helpful than a stub to someone who needs help/info on the game. I admit the wikipedia link would be only repetative data after the pages are filled past being stubs. Thanks for letting me know when to add that tag, they will be taken out when the pages have something helpful on them. --Zaiqukaj 03:10, 14 October 2007 (CDT)

Missing Section in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
I've just noticed something weird. There isn't any section that tells about Gerudo Valley, Gerudo's Training Fortress, Desert Collossus, or the Haunted Wasteland before the Spirit Temple in the guide to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I just wanted to let everyone know that the section about the journey to the Spirit Temple is missing. It is a major gap of information, and is neccesarry to complete the guide. I will try my best to fill it in, but some help would be appreciated. -- '''|Superpowered  Mario ''' (Talk|contribs)
 * Huh, weird... I didn't notice that either. I could help later on, but I need to get that far on my emulation copy first so I can take screenshots (and that far on my N64 one so I can play for the strategy -- I just cannot play them for reasons other than screenies on the computer, the key layout just doesn't suit me as well as the actual controller). -- 15:25, 23 October 2007 (CDT)

People's Tactics Guide
en.wikibooks is hosting a guide for People's Tactics, that has recently been nominated for deletion. I know there is a little bit of a backlog for books to be imported to strategywiki from wikibooks, but since this one is on the chopping block, maybe it could be fast-tracked? The guide is HERE. Apparently, this online guide is the only existing documentation for the game, and if it gets deleted at wikibooks, it will disappear forever. I don't think there is any particular hurry, if the import can't be done immediately. Thanks! --Whiteknight 20:01, 24 October 2007 (CDT)
 * I have transwikid it over, but it needs major cleanup/revision to fit with our standards. -- 20:32, 24 October 2007 (CDT)
 * It also needs to be voted on before it can stay; considering it doesn't meet our requirements for fitting in with Scope. I for one say it should stay: the game is freeware (i.e. not advertiseable), the guide looks like its one of a kind, and it's already at a level 2 or 3 stage by the looks of it.  -- 20:43, 24 October 2007 (CDT)
 * Notmyhandle, the guide was already listed on the Wikibooks Import List (check through the history since I removed it and put in in the completed page), which is why I imported it over without asking for input (it wouldn't be listed there if it didn't deserve to come in). Plus, this guide is the only one of its kind out there, so it really can't be deleted anyway. -- 10:15, 25 October 2007 (CDT)
 * None of those reasons are really compelling to me. However, from the screenshots the game looks well made and complete so I think it suits our notability standards (unlike certain games).  And the guide is already made, and relatively small, so no worries about wasting our collective time for a minor game. -- Prod (Talk) 11:23, 25 October 2007 (CDT)

Godfather game - film reel location at Barzini compound
Hello,

I am currently looking for the film reel that is supposedly located on the Barzini Compound. I have looked all over for it (outside) and cannot seem to find it anywhere. I tried looking based on your guide but could not find it. I’m playing the Don’s Edition on the PS3. Could someone please give me specific instructions on where exactly it is located? Thanks for any and all help!

Sincerely,

Jeffrey M. Kellen


 * Hey Jeff, it looks like most or all of the guide was integrated from another wiki, however Garrett might know something (you can try asking him on his talk page). If you find out where the reel is, please fill in the missing information! -- 14:01, 30 October 2007 (CDT)
 * This guide was originally written for an Xbox 360 wiki and so it doesn't necessarily cover the other versions. It's quite possible that they moved the secrets for the PS3 and Wii versions since they have different names and all that. If the secrets have all been moved (rather than just a few) I guess we'll have to add separate reel pages for each version... GarrettTalk 15:14, 30 October 2007 (CDT)