Talk:Final Fantasy VII

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Pending tasks for Final Fantasy VII

This is a collation of all ToDo items in the guide, and also a place to put your own big major issues. Feel free to edit this list. --Wwwwolf 21:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Walkthrough
- Wall Market: Overview of the Wall Market area. What other items can be got? And how they're got? How they affect the Corneo subgame outcome?
- Desert prison: Items you can grab here.
- After getting Tiny Bronco: List of cool stuff that can be done before going to the dream date.
- Temple of the Ancients: What's in the rest of the rooms you can get to from the Time Guardian.
- Bone Village: What can be excavated?
- Corel Huge Materia Train: You know, the most annoying thing, when I first played FF7, about stopping the train was that all of the guides had only the PS controls. Now, when I've been writing the walkthrough, I don't have Windows installed so I only have the PS version at hand.
- Disc 2 conclusion: Things that absolutely have to be done before the end of CD 2, or they're gone for good?
- Disc 2 conclusion: The stuff under Midgar is particularly badly documented, specifically that huge room with those vent pipes and all.
- Disc 2 conclusion: Reno/Rude/Elena fight stuff in the unlikely case where someone has spared themselves from Wutai.
- Descent into the Northern Crater: Descriptions of the various paths, and better description on how to get Good Stuff, in case anyone cares.
- Finale: The final fight strategies could use some polishing.

Other modules
- Instructions for getting PC version working, including required patch to fix chocobo racing bug and video codec for newer systems.

Here's the archived content from this page:

Talk:Final Fantasy VII/Archive 1 August 28, 2005—Feburary 16, 2006.

History[edit]

August 18, 2005: The project to build the Wikibook to Final Fantasy VII started.
December 8, 2005: The first CD's walkthrough was mostly complete.
December 29, 2005: The second CD's walkthrough was mostly finished.
February 16, 2006: Third CD's stuff was mostly finished.
May 8, 2006: The Final Fantasy VII Wikibook was transwikied from Wikibooks to StrategyWiki, following Wikibooks policy change to ban game guides.

Contributors[edit]

The following people have contributed things to the guide to any substantial amount:

Urpo Lankinen, aka wwwwolf: Originator, overall organizing, most of the meat of the walkthrough sections, and generally a lot of small tweaks.
Joey Roe, some story/character background/item/appendix sections, Battle Square, Training
BigCow, filled in some of the enemy skills, I'm playing through the game for the second time on the PC and will try to work on the walkthrough and other sections as they come up. Filled in the "events during the game" section as well, trying to explain the plot in a comprehensible manner.
Kestrel (68.2.151.59) original text of the Ancient Forest.
Aassem, (contributions) (68.150.88.124 for now, contributions) contributed the Motorcycle chase minigame original text, did some work on Wall Market walkthrough (notably the items and chices), and did some Wutai area, Northern Cave area training info on my IP (forgot to log in, darn)
Wikipedia user Zytron, for original versions of Support/Command/Independent materia articles, which were transwikied from Wikipedia article "List of Final Fantasy VII materia".

And also a lot of other smaller contributors and other anonymous tweakers, but I think that's all of the people who have so far added much anything. A few anonymous tweakers might get recognition here, though: User:216.170.63.150 for doing Shin-Ra HQ warehouse floor and User:70.118.33.42 for Wutai Pagoda quest. However, if you plan to do any serious contributions to this guide, I really recommend to get an user account. It's easy.

The great big w00t[edit]

02:34, 16 February 2006 Wwwwolf (This is not really done it, but I believe this concludes the walkthrough.)

As you can see from the grammar, and the fact that I'm in Eastern European time zone (+2 hrs to the above), I beat FF7 yet again in a rather tired state and wrote about that in even more tired state. But at least the framework is there. The walkthrough "meat" is now there; all it needs is some more information and polishing. What can I say, except for "yay" or something along those lines?! --Wwwwolf 12:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Organization?[edit]

Should this page be organized (without a cover page) as Z:OoT is? -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 08:47, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

Most likely. There are a number of games in states such as this: just look at the list of pages which link to cover. :-( --DrBob (Talk) 08:56, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

Template: Final Fantasy VII Nav[edit]

I added this template to most of the pages here because I couldn't find my way from page to page. Each guide page should link to the next page, such as the intro page linking to the first walkthrough page at the bottom of it. And each page should have a last page, next page thing (with of course the last and next pages given), even the ones not part of the walkthrough I think. -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 09:26, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

Bravo. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 09:53, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

Magic materia templates[edit]

these magic materia templates:

Template:Final Fantasy VII/Magic Materia - for Magic Materia

were very much destroying this page Final_Fantasy_VII/Materia/Magic_Materia, until I changed the <nowiki></nowiki> and <nowiki></nowiki> references. Where are those image s and why were they added when there was no image for them? -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 09:41, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

Ugh. The image did exist in Wikibooks, but looks like it was forgotten when the thing got moved to StrategyWiki - during the initial import, most templates and images were borked anyway. =/ The picture file still exists here, and appears to be PD, so if you change it back, it should be okay if the file was just copied over to SW. But in my meager opinion, the materia template does need a redesign, so I don't think it's that urgent! --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 09:53, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

AH, alright, I'll import the image because even though I think a redesign is necessary, the stars look better then "Level Blah". Thanks -- Mason11987 (Talk - Contributions) 10:48, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

Introduction[edit]

I have merged the introduction with the main page, above the table of contents. I got rid of the explanation about the guide, but will save it below in case it is decided that it should be preserved.

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Welcome to StrategyWiki's a little bit incomplete, but slowly growing guide to Final Fantasy VII. This console role-playing game became a smash hit in 1997 and has continued to draw attention from video game fans everywhere.

This guide started August 18, 2005 on Wikibooks. In May 2006 the guide was moved here from Wikibooks due to policy changes. This guide was inspired by the massively successful Wikibook for Final Fantasy VI, and the dozens of guides already on the Web that aren't editable. Countless keyboards have had their keycaps faded as people worked tirelessly on walkthroughs on these games; this guide's intent is to waste some more time on this activity, hopefully for the last time ever.

This thing doesn't intend to serve only as a walkthrough, but also as an in-depth guide to specific parts of the game, complete game reference, site for in-depth analysis, and collection of trivia—also trivia that is too in-depth or trivial to be included in Wikipedia.

--

--DukeRuckley 14:05, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

Currently the main page is acting as the table of contents for the All Game Nav. Should a Table of Contents page me made for that purpose, so that the introduction and infobox do not appear on the all game nav?--DukeRuckley 14:09, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

Yes. --DrBob (Talk) 15:07, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

Done. --DukeRuckley 15:19, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

Aeris or Aerith?[edit]

Since it's collaboration of the month and all, I was looking through the guide and noticed the inconsistency. Even on the character overview page, she is labeled Aeris but in the descriptive sentence immediately following, she's Aerith. I noticed her name spelled both ways throughout the guide. I have no preference for the name, but consistency would be nice. So which spelling should we go with? New User 00:42, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

My personal opinion says Aeris, as that is the translated name on the English releases.--DukeRuckley^{Talk | Contribs} 08:29, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

I like Aeris too, Aerith just sounds strange to me, though it is quite common to see. -- Prod (Talk) 10:06, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

I just noticed that at least a couple of the guide's sub-pages contain the spelling Aerith (Final Fantasy VII/Walkthrough/Meeting Aerith, Wall Market, Don Corneo and Final Fantasy VII/Walkthrough/Back to Aerith's House and the Road to Shin-Ra HQ) so we'll have to move these. I just want to make sure that's what everyone wants to do before I get started. New User 22:02, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

No one has opposed it yet, so I think it's safe. Make sure you change all of the links before/after you move the page.--DukeRuckley^{Talk | Contribs} 07:49, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

sub subpaging[edit]

Is there some reason for the multiple levels of subpaging? It wrecks the ToC in the footer navs, and is basically pointless as far as I can see. Sorry to resurrect this discussion if it was every settled. - najzere 00:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you Naj, we've since moved away from sub-subpaging. The only times I find it necessary is for large games, such as Guild Wars (see the Warrior pages, for example).--DukeRuckley^{Talk | Contribs} 02:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

The expression of "using the sources" is getting a bit vague in a walkthrough - most of the content for this is in the game itself. Most of the gameplay details can easily be figured out from the game itself. Numerical data... well, likewise figurable out from the game, and singular facts aren't even copyrightable, while specific representations and collections of such are.

Anyway, this isn't meant to be strict scholarly work - most of the stuff comes from the game anyway, and there isn't any point in pointing out where any individual facts and numbers have been looked up, be it the game or other walkthroughs. But this isn't meant to be wholesale copyright violation or self-glorification either - it's good courtesy to list what sources have been consulted.

So yes, following sources have been consulted, in no particular order, when composing this guide - please add any of yours if you happen to use them

Final Fantasy VII Player's Manual (PC version).
MacDonald, Chris ("Kao Megura"). FINAL FANTASY VII FAQ v2.2. [1]
Adams, Nick. The Chocobo Manifesto. [2]
Tiddles et al., Caves of Narshe. [3]
O'Day, Steele. Final Fantasy 7 Universe. [4] (Great partial walkthrough with pictures) (Site no longer available)
Shin-Ra.ru - Shin-Ra Electric Power Company. shinra.ru [5]
Adams, Nick. The Chocobo Manifesto. (Available via gamefaqs.com, not linkable directly)
Final Fantasy Finland. Gold Chocobon kasvatus. [6]
BlueShinra's Final Fantasy Wiki. [7] This wikitext is also Directly appropriatable: "All original (textual) content on this site is copyright-free, and as such, can be altered or modified by anyone (don't take it personally ^_~)." Not that much FF7 content, but very helpful nevertheless.
ff7_gal. FF7OSG: Sephiroth's HP. [8]

Moved from Final Fantasy VII/Literature and sources, the major contributor being User:Wwwwolf.

- najzere 21:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)