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File:Arcade-Stick-LoR.png

File:Arcade-Stick-LoR.png this one doesn't seem too clear. -- Prod (talk) 17:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

This arcade cabinet disagrees. -- Sean.43L (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I assume you're talking about the "Block"? I think there it shows it as independent pictures. Here it's displayed as a single picture with two directions shown. All the other Arcade Stick images are single movements. -- Prod (talk) 16:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Single-motion maybe, not single-movement: , , , etcetera. And even then: (Aren't those all yours btw?) -- Sean.43L (talk) 17:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Those are fighting move directions, meant to instruct the player how a joystick should be moved in order to execute a command.

• means press right, and then left.
• means press left, down, downleft.
• means hold down for two seconds, and then up.

By comparison doesn't clearly indicate much of anything. You can't move the joystick in two opposite directions at the same time. Saying: " or " should suffice. Procyon 20:48, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Press? Buttons and directional pads are pressed, not arcade joysticks. And yes, I'm being technical because this is a technical discussion after all. And you stating that this image "doesn't clearly indicate much of anything" is not a technical statement, it's a subjective one. An arcade-related, subjective opinion that is in direct conflict with what is printed on an actual arcade machine, which happens to be manufactured by Midway Games. Now I get that you're a lead administrator of a collaborative video game website with a sub 20k Alexa ranking and all. However, (with all due respect ofc) if a multi-million dollar company that was once a global leader in the arcade development industry for over 20 years says that a graphic of an arcade joystick with opposite-facing arrows on either side means "left or right" — well then it means "left or right." And no, they are not independent pictures. The graphic in question is printed on a single, rectangular decal. Not only that but if you look closely, there isn't much of any space between the arrows and the joystick; ergo, not independent.

But for the sake of argument, let's pretend for a moment that none of the points I just made are valid. Let me get this straight. You're saying that your visitors won't have enough sense to figure out that the meaning is "left OR right" because the optional nature isn't clearly indicated. That the logical conclusion they will draw is to "move the joystick in two opposite directions at the same time." And once they realize that this is physically impossible, they will not consider any other interpretations that might actually be within the realm of possibility. At which point, they will just remain in a state of utter confusion?

Look, I made this indicator specifically for one game: Gauntlet: Dark Legacy. Ironically enough, I made it before I even learned what was on the cabinet. That's no coincidence. And as tempting as it is to quote that one Great minds... expression, there's nothing really "great" about it. It's just intuitive design. So yes, I stand by the fact that my illustration adequately serves its purpose in this use case.

Sure, I can agree that it may not be particularly helpful within the context of fighting games. I can even agree that if used in the wrong way, it might leave a few scratching their heads. What I find grossly inaccurate, though, is the implication that it doesn't have any use at all, or the notion that no one will be able to decipher its hidden meaning regardless of application. If that was really the case then—by your own logic—I counter that all of those "fighting move directions" should also be changed or removed, since it isn't clearly indicated that they are specifically for fighting moves. Because if you think it's fair to say that context and application do not give clarity towards the interpretation of visual aids, then it should work both ways.

Be that all as it may, I've been on the internet long enough to know that reason seldom triumphs over power. So instead of waiting for the telegraphed outcome to unfold, I decided to take the high road and remake my submission so that there is absolutely no way that anyone can miss what is being indicated. I even used one of your uploads as a template. Here's a link for your convenience: File:Arcade-Stick-LoR.png -- Sean.43L (talk) 17:20, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

So I don't know what happened to the message that was here yesterday. Unfortunately, I was in the middle of something at the time, or I would've replied to you then. In any case, I just wanted to apologize if my comment came off as offensive. I thought I was pretty good about staying objective, but maybe I could've worded that one a little better. Still, my intention was not to offend you. It was actually quite the opposite. You see, I was under the impression that having an Alexa ranking below 20,000 was a good thing. Like... a really, really good thing.

According to this article:

“ Alexa ranks websites from #1 to seemingly infinity. In 2020, there are about 1.5 billion websites that can be ranked by the Alexa algorithm. While there is no exact range for what defines a good Alexa rank, generally, the lower the number, the better. It seems that any Alexa ranking under 30,000 is considered very high.

And even on Alexa's very own website, it states:

“ What is a good Alexa ranking for your site? It depends. Since the rank is a relative measure, you will want to check your competitors’ Alexa Rank data and then see where you stand. Generally, many people consider a ranking of 1 million or lower to be good.

So my thinking was if sub 1m is "good", and sub 30k is "very good", then sub 20k must be like "crazy good." And at the very least, being in the top 0.0014% worldwide surely can't be a bad thing. Even so, I admit that I'm not very well-versed in the nuances of website management. And maybe there's more to it than that. What I can say with absolute certainty, though, is that the comment was not meant to be insulting. On the contrary, it was meant as commendation. I didn't think it would be fair for me (a nobody) to question your criteria without first recognizing that you're not just some random kid on the internet. I wanted to acknowledge that you have plenty of experience. Especially on matters related to fighting games and arcade systems. Because despite our differences, I know that you're just trying to do what's best for everyone. And anyone who would personally attack you for that is just a rotten human being.

This probably doesn't mean much coming from me, but it's likely you don't hear this as often as you should. I doubt much thought is given to the tremendous amount of work that goes into keeping a collaborative website running smoothly. So on behalf of all the nobodies that have this site on their bookmarks bar, but don't even know there's an edit tab, I just wanna say thank you. For sharing your passion, and for everything you've done for this community. I'm sure this site has helped a lot of people get through these difficult times. I should know. I'm one of them.

Stay safe. -- Sean.43L (talk) 19:35, 18 August 2020 (UTC)