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Table size and white space[edit]

Some people have thought the tables are still to horizontally large but I disagree. This is the data necessary to make the decisions presented which is the whole point of having the tables anyway. The problem with the advertisement bleeding into the table isn't a fault with the size of the table but the css code behind the site and the page not dynamically sizing. Which it should do anyway. On my 21 inch at home it's not a problem. It's only a problem on smaller screens. Which is why a site is supposed to be dynamically sized so that all sizes display well. I shouldn't have to cut down a table to display on a 800x600 resolution. At some point a table of data is a table of data. --Gumption 00:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you, and this issue should definitely be brought up in the appropriate forum. While the site is still designed to not dynamically resize however, we have to work within its parameters. Excess amounts of whitespace is just as unattractive as ads occluding the content, so we have to change how the information is presented. You should bring up this issue though, either in the Staff lounge, or on the forums. Thanks, - najzere 00:22, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
In the interest of avoiding creating yet more unnecessary edits to this page, it is now protected. Please bring your issue up in the Staff lounge and hopefully some other users will be able to weigh in and get this sorted out for you. - najzere 00:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Your a jerk especially since this is a page I created just a few days ago. your being ridiculous and controlling. white space isn't half as annoying as an occlusion. a user can read whitespace a user can't read an occlusion. It's so petty since a body of random text there would make it a none issue for most resolutions. I was excited to work on a wiki and help add content and was understanding of working in the confines of a community to make things presentable but it's obvious the people here are more interested in form over content and I just don't have the time. I wont be making any more edits here. --Gumption 00:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Continuing discussion here in no specific order. Lets stay away from name calling, it doesn't solve anything. Things happen slowly on wikis, and you should get more comments within a day (even more if posted on the staff lounge). Next up, these tables are too wide for the site. They mess up layout/need hacks to fix, therefore they are too wide. From your comments, I'm assuming that this amount of data is required and useful. However, that doesn't mean there is no better way to display the data. If the game has icons for some of those properties, I'd suggest using those as the column headers (see The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past/Bosses). With more information about the game, I'm sure we could figure out other ways of displaying the data and satisfying everyone. If possible, I'd also suggest keeping only one row of headers, so that it can be switched to a sortable table. -- Prod (Talk) 06:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Page layout[edit]

Hey, Gumption, just wanted to apologize for locking the page. Prod just left me a message on my talk page letting me know what our policy on revert warring is (specificall it's WikiPedia's rule). That being said, I've split the tables in question up to utilize more vertical space as opposed to horizontal, and it looks all right on my smallest resolution (if I zoom out a little). Hopefully, it didn't wreck your idea too much, and you'll be able to work around the ad positioning from now on. I'll keep an eye on the page and see if I can help out any more. Happy editing! - najzere 06:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I called you a jerk I can tell you do a lot on this site and of course I should respect that. To be honest jerk was the last word I was thinking! I don't mind discussing format and disagreeing that's part of the process. It was just when you locked it and so quickly that I got angry. It's just after spending so much time on the data I started to get emotionally involved. And then to be locked out of my own work! Your edit's aren't really what I had in mind but I believe they will be a viable compromise. I've got a few more tweaks in mind with them. But not tonight! --Gumption 06:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good, I look forward to seeing them! - najzere 06:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
last night I honestly was going to take time to fix the tables but somewhere along the way this project has already taken more of my resources than I'm willing to spend on it and I'm just not up for spending anymore of my time. I saved an old version of the page locally for my own use. If you want to fix it try putting all the attributes in the top table. they are strength, agility, int, and charisma. then remove them from the other tables. Also if level is in the top table removing it from the others will add some space. lastly trainer should be down with the other party skills. I know it doesn't logically look like it belongs but it's a special case and even though it's a personal skill it effects the party. if you remove levels it should give you the needed space.--Gumption 17:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)