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It is unclear whether or not this page is just for the listing of issues, or for the discussions of those issues as well.  It might be better for the issues to be listed here and for them to be discussed on the talk page.

: (That was FilthySwine again.) I would disagree, because that would just make this page pointless - it would be a list which would constantly need updating, yet serve no purpose because all the titles and content would be on the talk page anyway. This is the community issues page, and I don't believe the talk page here needs to be used. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] 14:10, 2 June 2006 (PDT)

In clearing some of the older discussions, I found a few things that I forgot to implement. I'm listing them here so I won't forget again.  

--'''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''^{[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]} 19:28, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

Since consensus has been [[/Intro Pages|reached]], I think this should be put into action and be made official in some way.  And I have already done the [[Z:OoT]] guide so I think they should all be changed as long as it causes the benefits that this change is supposed to cause.  Namely better organization, and navigation. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 20:48, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

: Just go to [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Cover]] and you'll get a list of all the pages still using the [[Template:cover|cover]] template. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 22:53, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

I finally got my wish and now we have a dynamic home page, but unfortunately I didn't forsee the next problem with it: we've run out of images. Not uploaded images, mind you, just images ready to be used. This is bad, as it makes us look empty, irresponsible, lazy, etc. The obvious reason is that users aren't updating the front page; which is not unexpected. But I suspect another as well: lack of organization on our parts.

:::::::: All that needs to be done now is for people to categorise their images. :-( --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 13:53, 16 June 2006 (PDT)

Should we start enacting the wikipedia standard operating posistion of linking Dates(game development, releases et al)? --[[User:Filthy swine|Filthy swine]] 06:36, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

:::: I've started on it. Each date in the infobox is linked to a page, which then redirects to a category of the same name (e.g. [[:Category:2004|2004]]), which is also linked in at the bottom of the page. Each year category should be a subcategory of [[:Category:Years|Years]], and each day should be a subcategory of [[:Category:Days|Days]]. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 23:17, 15 June 2006 (PDT)

Currently, StrategyWiki is pretty much solely for video and computer games.  Are we open to create pages on board games and puzzles as well?  For example, I might be interested in starting a Rubik's Cube page.  Someone might be interested in a Chess page.  Any thoughts?  --[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]] 09:58, 7 June 2006 (PDT)

Is there any established rule about how emulators and roms/isos/bins/etc can be used for helping with the StrategyWiki's?  I can see it has some advantages (mainly the screenshot department), but I do wonder what the stance is in terms of using an emulator fully and not the original console for the walkthrough.  [[User:Wolfman2000|Wolfman2000]] 21:28, 15 June 2006 (PDT)

::::I like the don't ask don't tell policy. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 23:08, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

First off, I'd like to say that I'm back from my studying regimen, and I'm ready to get back to work. I'd like to explain some of the plans that I have for getting StrategyWiki to become a mainstream outlet.   

::::: I'd like to remind everyone that skins can be chosen (there are a few different ones to pick from) in your preferences.  And if there is enough support for one skin, then one of the other skins can be replaced if we want a new one, or another one can be appended to the list.  There need not be just one skin.  But if there is going to be an option of skins here (with more then one being "mainstream") then maybe a similar option should exist for the site?  A site I visit http://<nowiki></nowiki>www.planetspore.co.uk/ has something like that (although looking at DSmeet, you could do much better then that).  I love all your ideas and I'm on board to help out with whatever I can do on mediawiki especially, but with anything else too.  On another note, what's up with this spam filter, we can't give outsite links here?  -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 07:49, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

I've created [[User:DrBob/Cleanup|a page]] consolidating all my cleanup efforts, and I'm hoping it can make it somewhere useful, like [[StrategyWiki:Cleanup]]. I would like to make it a recognised "sub-project", and possibly involve more people in maintaining and cleaning StrategyWiki. I would also like [[User:DrBob/Wikify]] to be made official, and used on pages which need wikification, so they can more easily be found. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 23:36, 15 June 2006 (PDT)

:Can I recommend a kind of policy similar to sporewiki's cleanup page? http://www.sporewiki.com/SporeWiki:Cleanup?

Wikipedia has many "Wikipedia:Insert_law_here" pages, detailing the guidelines and ways in which Wikipedia should be used and layed-out. I propose that we write a few of these &ndash; mainly based around editing structure &ndash; to help people format their pages properly. May I also suggest that we have one listing all the system templates we've created (such as [[Template:wip|wip]], [[Template:stub|stub]], etc.) so that they can all be found in one place, perhaps with an example? --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 23:38, 15 June 2006 (PDT)

:My biggest recommendation is to implement these few policies/guidelines (like their wikipedia examples, but not exactly the same obviously):  [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold Be bold], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_Good_Faith Assume good faith], and a policy stating that noone "owns" a guide.  Wikipedia has something like that last one, but I can't find it.  It's best for this kind of thing, as long as everyone is bold in adding what they think is useful, and noone thinks they own the article, they will assume good faith in discussing the changes maturly.  Besides these three, everything else is specific instances.  As long as everyone follows these, this site will function perfectly well I believe. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 07:57, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

Should guides here include big tables of data like enemy lists, shop prices, loot statistics, and other data that comes in large tables? Somthing like the enemy lists [http://walkthrough.starmen.net/earthbound/ here]. Although they would be useful to have on site, they would be very hard to maintain in a wiki format. Subtle vandalism (i.e changing a few values at a time) would be extremely hard to detect and hard to verify if it was a legit change or not. What do you guys think?--[[User:Blendmaster|blendmaster]] 09:51, 16 June 2006 (PDT)

: An enemy list is better then nothing.  It'd be best to have a full guide, but if someone wants to add an enemy list or item list to a guide that doesn't exist, starting up the guide even with just these things is the best way to get other people to write full guides right?  Just as long as all new guides get the appropriate guide structure (whatever that may be) then the link to an empty walkthrough should exist, and a lot of people will follow red links and write something up just because it isn't here.  -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 08:01, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

It would be useful if there was a CSS class for "notice" templates which are stuck at the top of a page, such as [[Template:wip]] and [[Template:stub]]. This would mean styles aren't duplicated across templates, and remain consistent. May I advise "messagebox" be the class name, and "float: center; margin: 10px; border: 1px solid #7d87bc; background-color: #d0d5f1; padding: 3px; font-size: larger;" as the properties for the class? --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 10:37, 16 June 2006 (PDT)

:: I've added it (I wasn't a sysop when I first brought this up), but haven't used it in any templates yet. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 23:01, 20 June 2006 (PDT)

I've made DrBob an administrator so that he can do some of the more routine organizational work that he tends to do. I was thinking we could use a few extra administrators as well in order to block spam and keep the wiki clean. If any of you would like to take the job let me know. (Depending on the number of applicants we may or may not do this by a voting process. I'm not really sure of the best way to handle it this early on.) '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''^{[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]} 11:48, 17 June 2006 (PDT)

:::::::: Thank you!--[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]] 06:39, 6 July 2006 (PDT)

Currently games are being categorized by what day of the year they were released on, see [[Final Fantasy VI]]. I believe that these categories should be removed and the date should simply be linked because:

::::: This gets back to the whole Wikipedia is not paper thing. We can use any amount of space we want, the sky's the limit in terms of storing data. I just think that having a bunch of redundant categories looks sloppy and hurts intuitive navigation. We could categorize games according to any number of things (soundtracks composed by Koji Kondo for example), but we need to make a conscious effort to limit ourselves to only the most relevant information to avoid becoming too bulky and unwieldy.--[[User:BigCow|BigCow]] 09:07, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

Sounds like there are two different discussions going on here...  I'm writing this for clarity more than anything.  Please respond to each discussion underneath the appropriate paragraph.  If you have any more questions, please add an additional bullet to the end.--[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]] 06:15, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

:::::::::: I'd still push for categorisation by ''all'' release dates, but I'll go with this for the time being. :-) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 15:11, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

On another topic I tried to link to: http://<nowiki></nowiki>www.planetspore.co.uk/ to show an example of something I was saying but it said the spam filter blocked it.  It seems kind of pointless to block potentially legimate site when anyone with some knowledge of mediawiki can get through it anyways as I did.  Or perhaps a blacklist with particular sites would be best?  Maybe something like the "Filter Set G" extension for adblock for firefox?  I'm not sure how these thigns work, but that site shouldn't have been blocked. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 07:51, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

::::: It didn't seem very useful when it blacklisted it before, but thanks for the fig :). -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 09:00, 21 June 2006 (PDT)

I have acquired numerous images of boxart for various games on the internet as of late for this site. However is there a limit as to how large the boxart should be? I know it can't be terribly large however having a set size limit would be good for future progress. I was unable to find any limit while looking over the site. I do know that on Wikipedia that somehow the images automatically scale down some if they are too large, is there any way we could implement that here?--[[User:Chrono Warrior 3|Chrono Warrior 3]] 21:34, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

:: MediaWiki will automatically cache scaled versions of images where pages specify the size of the image to use. The standard size at which box artwork/company logos (etc.) are displayed on the relevant pages is 250px wide. Just upload the images as big as you like, then make sure to put "|250px" after the image name in the image reference (e.g. <nowiki>[[Image:Example.jpg|250px]]</nowiki>) when writing a page. Also make sure you [[:Category:Images|categorise]] your images when you upload them. :-) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 09:14, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

Check out some of the changes I made to the homepage. I think it's nice to get rid of those wasteful and annoying "image of the day" things. What do you think about the new format though? Should anything be changed? Do you feel this is an improvement? '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''^{[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]} 03:37, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

::: That sounds excellent! Hopefully by that time we'll have someone here who can make it look a lot better than I can. I can sense a lot of potential for the main page, I just don't know how to go about implementing it correctly... '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''^{[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]} 12:32, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

I'm working on making [[StrategyWiki:Copyrights]] more thorough. You can see the draft at [[StrategyWiki:Copyrights|User:Garrett/StrategyWiki:Copyrights]]. Is the wording simple enough for the average person to comprehend? Does it cover all situations? I'm trying to make it as brief but all-encompassing as possible, while at the same time including rationale for blatantly defying others' copyright claims (as in the case of patch codes). As with the licensing, replying there rather than here would be better. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 22:33, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

You didn't get many comments, but I think it is solid. Let's go ahead and implement this, shall we? <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 20:36, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

I know we have games listed in catergories, but do we have a page with each game on it?  I think it might be useful to put a master list of all games that currently have functional guides.  People who browse this site just for fun (not necessarily looking for a particular guide) might find it a hassle to have to keep clicking through different categories.  The downside to a master list is of course the effort it would take to keep it up as StrategyWiki gets larger.  Any thoughts?  --[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]] 06:27, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

:Well we have that 4 boxes things for sections of guides, like the [[FFVII]] one, we could just have a template that puts one down for the whole guide, and depending what image you use, it will categorize the guide into a different place.  And optionally all guides could ALSO be in a [[:category:guide]] category which would categorize all of them and sort them alphabetically too. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 13:13, 19 June 2006 (PDT)

I'm propossing an addition of the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/NiceCategoryList_extension Nice category list] extension to server some of the organization issues here.  An example of it in use on sporewiki is in the [http://www.sporewiki.com/Full_creature_list Full creature list] which creates a very long and still useful list by only using this code:

: I definitely agree with this. Very useful. :-) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 08:29, 18 June 2006 (PDT)

[[StrategyWiki_talk:License#Relicense_StrategyWiki_Plan_-_This_is_important.21|Check this out]] and comment please! (Your comments to this Community Issues post are not necessary, so please do so on the License talk page instead.) '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''^{[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]} 04:05, 23 June 2006 (PDT)

I've seen a kind of contributors list on some guides, which seems kind of strange to me.  While it's great to be proud of your work, having your name on the guide itself doesn't really help anyone out, and if they really cared who made it, they'd just hit the history button right?  Not trying to downplay anyone's contributions, but I don't think the TOC of a guide (or any articlespace page of a guide) is a good place to list who helped out. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 00:44, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

:::: I agree with that, since wikify is more important for readers I believe. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 22:50, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

::: I've deprecated the others, and I'm now going to replace all references to them. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 12:22, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

::: I'm fine with shrinking it/them to the size of [[Template:needcontrols|needcontrols]], and the images could be taken down to 32px high. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 08:50, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

Hello.  I'm a supporter of this site's mission, and I decided to help out by adding some retro gaming content.  I started out by simply transplanting some guides I wrote for early Nintendo games here, namely Donkey Kong, DK Jr., Popeye, and recently Mario Bros.  Well, tonight I got a bug up my ass or something and tried to reformat [[Donkey_Kong]] in to something... I dunno, more grandiose I suppose.  I'm not sure if I succeeded or ruined it horribly.  I tried to copy as many examples from the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time pages as I could, like the TOC, next and previous pages at the bottom, and I broke the page up in to multiple pages, which Garrett has been helping me fix up, thank you for cleaning my mess :) But honestly, I'm not sure if it's better now than when it was a simple one page thing (compared to, for example, the [[Donkey_Kong_Jr.]] page.  Since DK was on more than just the NES, I also wanted to expand it to cover every system that it was on, so I began including port pictures on relevant stages.  Anyway, I'm rambling now.  Feedback would be most appreciated, either here or on my talk page.  Thank you very much.[[User:Procyon|Procyon]]^{[[User talk:Procyon|Talk]]} 21:31, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

::::Following up to my own post, I've had a lot of time to clean and fine tune the pages, so I think it's turning out quite nicely.  I've added a lot of port screenshots, but I think I'm done with that for the time being (although if someone's favorite version is missing, I hope they'll continue to add to the gallery.)  Thanks to this, I've got a good rough idea on how I want to proceed with [[Pac-Man]].  Feedback, as always, is welcome.  Thanks.[[User:Procyon|Procyon]] 16:54, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

I think we need to come up with a standard for game titles.  For example: we currently have the page for Ocarina as [[Zelda: Ocarina of Time]] while it probably should be [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]].  The same thing goes for [[Super Smash Bros]] which should have a period after Bros.  The names to use should be the full name of the game to be consistent.  Any shorter names should then redirect to the page with the full name.  When StrategyWiki becomes large, I think that this rule will be handy to have in place.  If we do decide on following this standard, then we need to act now to begin moving incorrect pages and adding redirects so that it doesn't get overwhelming later.--[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]] 12:51, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

:::It's fine, sure, but there isn't any reason to not just start it off.  Duke, if a game is titled something else, then I think it's perfectly reasonable to move it to the correct title, there is no problem if it's done, but there is definitly benefit.  The only problem is the effort in doing it, so if someone activly wants to do this then I say go for it! -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 15:30, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

Why not allow people to use the same variable names for [[Template:Infobox]] as are on [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox CVG]] (e.g. genre instead of categories), to allow a straightforward copy-and-paste? If it's not possible to specify alternate variable names in the same template, one could create a new one and call it Infobox CVG. [[User:Seahen|Seahen]] 09:39, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

:: The template could be easily changed (using default values) to work with both the wikipedia parameter names, as well as the strategywiki ones, that way a copy paste of an infobox (while not recommened) would be functional.  If I knew the parameters of the wikipedia one, and knew the comparable ones on this one, I could do that.  -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 22:18, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

This site is for cheat codes too, right? I know the Ocarina of Time guide has a dummy link to Gameshark codes, but I haven't seen any other guides with them.  --[[User:Blendmaster|blendmaster]] 13:25, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

: Absolutely! We just need to be extra-careful nobody puts any codes that "accidentally delete" your game. ;-) <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 01:08, 30 June 2006 (PDT)

: You're about to see why I did that. Check out [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]] again. (If I had used <nowiki>==</nowiki>'s, the new Table of Contents would break the page. <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 16:41, 26 June 2006 (PDT)

What are your thoughts on [[The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]'s new table of contents system? It needs a bit of polishing, but I think this will become a standard for larger guides. <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 16:44, 26 June 2006 (PDT)

:::::I'm not that good at javascript so I'm going to leave this to echelon or drbob.  It's odd that this bug doesn't exist when using [[MediaWiki:Monobook.js|monobook]], but does in [[MediaWiki:BlueCloud.js]], even though the .js files are exactly the same...how strange eh?  Good luck guys :). -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 08:23, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

:::::: Eh? You called? What do you want me to do? (BTW, I think the ToC template is too big at the moment: imho the border should be removed, to let the ToC contents fit in with the rest of the page.) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 08:52, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

::I think that is very cool, I changed the [[Counter-Strike:_Source/Table_of_Contents]] page so that it didn't include the infobox.  Perhaps it can be set up so that the infobox is shown on the page whe you view it, but when it is included it sets up the TOC horizontally?  It seems like a lot of effort for this to be done on most multi-page guides, but I definitly like the style.  I think this will look amazing on the zelda guide, just each guide will have to figure out exactly what will be included in the template. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 20:25, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

::I made some more changes, so it appears exactly the same on the TOC page itself, but when used in the template it looks much cleaner. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 20:33, 27 June 2006 (PDT)

:# The original ToC that I designed was not set into any formal kind of standard. Different guides may require different types of data displayed under the Table of Contents--perhaps diagrams or images. While I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but the new one seems like it wouldn't fit those types of things.  

:I hope I'm not trying to backstep or be redundant, but I do feel that we should revert back. The show/hide template for Wikipedia ''will'' have uses here, I just don't feel we should use it for the Table of Contents. (Sorry Mason, I know you must've put a lot of work into it :( <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 13:09, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

::: The version that DrBob is working on looks great! This is the first I've seen of it. It's pretty much a better looking mix of your version and mine. The only thing that might be problematic in his version: I'm not sure about the use of <nowiki>==Heading==</nowiki> markup, since doing so causes the wiki-generated table of contents (<nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki>) to go berzerk. If we could replace the headings with <nowiki><big></nowiki> and bold markup, it won't interfere with the toc and would be flawless.  

::: As for the show/hide on my version, DOM javascript turned the old "Table of Contents" link into a "Show Table of Contents/Hide Table of Contents" link. It was rather obscure, and it needed some kind of image or something--DrBob's version fixes that and looks even better than before. Let's go with his, and if there are any further improvements to be made, we can make them when they arise.  

::: That said, I think this is pretty cool. Our top navigation menu is really slick! <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 19:26, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

:::: But the different links could easily be set up, we just have to figure what would be the best setup.  I don't think an "intro" page needs to exist, having a page for the game title (the main page), then a TOC, then a walkthrough would be good enough I think.  The rest can go in the TOC dropdown. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 22:21, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

:::::: I would try going with a link to an Extra/Appendices page, where all of the cheats, weapons information, enemy information, stage information, etc. link off of a main page. For example, in OoT, this would be under Extras, or in the Biohazard guide, this would be under Appendices. But this can't apply to every guide, since some are split into smaller sections or don't have a universal name. Anyone else think an Extras/Appendices link is important and maybe consider every guide to have an Extras page with all miscalleneous information? --[[User:Antaios|Antaios]] 05:12, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

::::::::: I suppose so. Would the Cheats section have Secrets/Easter Eggs too, or just like Gameshark codes or button combination cheat codes? --[[User:Antaios|Antaios]] 07:46, 8 July 2006 (PDT)

::::::::::: Ok, cool. I was just making sure. ; ). Looks good though. --[[User:Antaios|Antaios]] 19:41, 9 July 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::::: Sorry, haven't been around in a while.  Been very busy...  I don't think a Cheats section should be part of the Nav.  Particularly because some games don't have any cheats.  For example, [[Earthbound]] (which I know has been used for a lot of examples lately, but oh well) has no cheats in it.  This means that a red link will be at the top of every page, making it look less complete.  I'd recommend something more like "Secrets" which would include anything from cheats to easter eggs, etc.  Or maybe "Tips and Tricks" would be more appropriate.  It should be something less specific, basically.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 20:27, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

:::::::::::::: Well, I went ahead and added a custom attribute. It uses the qif template, but the implementation isn't that good. If someone wants to make it better, please do. --[[User:Blendmaster|blendmaster]] 22:52, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

::::::::::::::: I really don't mind. Redlinks at the top of guides are bad, not many guides would use the cheats section, and now that you've added a custom section blendmaster, I'll remove the cheats link. :-) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 01:01, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

:::: I can see where you're coming from, but the answer is to have the main page reference the table of contents, not the other way round. That keeps things a lot simpler (no noincludes everywhere), and more organised. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 16:56, 11 July 2006 (CDT)

:::: Excellent suggestion Garrett. It works like a charm now. ; ) --[[User:Antaios|Antaios]] 09:21, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

In the spirit of StrategyWiki, I started a [[Pac-Man/Patterns|Pac-Man Patterns]] section in the Pac-Man entry, so I thought it would be fun if all the usual members of StrategyWiki contributed their favorite pattern to the page.  To be honest, I think it's the first of it's kind, a public repository of Pac-Man patterns.  If it fills up with lots of contributions, who knows, we could get a lot of press in video game blogs like Joystiq or Kotaku.  I look forward to seeing any of your additions!  Feedback is welcome.  Thanks! [[User:Procyon|Procyon]] 19:01, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

:Left comment on that pages talk. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 07:33, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

I've created [[Template:GFDL_Article]] to mark all the existing articles so we can begin the relicensing process. Is everyone ready to do this? (Do you think this template is sufficient?) <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 19:48, 28 June 2006 (PDT)

:I made [[StrategyWiki:StrategyWiki_Public_License_editors|that page]], and I'll begin spamming talk pages for contributors to [[:Category:GFDL_articles|the guides that are GNU FDL]].  I'll simply paste {{subst:[[Template:GNUtoSWPL|GNUtoSWPL]]}} onto their talk pages, and it should go quickly, feel free to clean up that template while this is going on. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 08:46, 30 June 2006 (PDT)

For some reason the Alt-E shortcut (and some others, perhaps all) to edit a page isn't working, this would be extremly useful if I want to go through and tag some/all guides with the GFDL template, so if someone can figure out how to put that in and get it to work, that'd be great.  Thanks! -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] ^{([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])} 09:54, 29 June 2006 (PDT)

: I'll put it on my todo list, but it won't be really high-priority. :-) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 10:14, 29 June 2006 (PDT)