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==Intro Pages==
==Intro Pages==
Since consensus has been [[/Intro Pages|reached]], I think this should be put into action and be made official in some way.  And I have already done the [[Z:OoT]] guide so I think they should all be changed as long as it causes the benefits that this change is supposed to cause.  Namely better organization, and navigation. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:48, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
Since consensus has been <nowiki>[[/Intro Pages|reached]]</nowiki>, I think this should be put into action and be made official in some way.  And I have already done the [[Z:OoT]] guide so I think they should all be changed as long as it causes the benefits that this change is supposed to cause.  Namely better organization, and navigation. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:48, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
: Just go to [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Cover]] and you'll get a list of all the pages still using the [[Template:cover|cover]] template. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 22:53, 20 June 2006 (PDT)
: Just go to [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Cover]] and you'll get a list of all the pages still using the <nowiki>[[Template:cover|cover]]</nowiki> template. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 22:53, 20 June 2006 (PDT)


==Image Categories==
==Image Categories==
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::OK, check out [http://www.azupload.com/displayImage.php/setid5388.png this image]. Thanks to an obscure MediaWiki feature thumbnails are able to be automatically generated and sourced by this outside rotator. The images have to be manually added to the rotator, BUT the rotation time can be set for as little as a minute or as long as a week. However the lack of captions or hyperlinks is still a setback to this method. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 16:08, 2 June 2006 (PDT)
::OK, check out [http://www.azupload.com/displayImage.php/setid5388.png this image]. Thanks to an obscure MediaWiki feature thumbnails are able to be automatically generated and sourced by this outside rotator. The images have to be manually added to the rotator, BUT the rotation time can be set for as little as a minute or as long as a week. However the lack of captions or hyperlinks is still a setback to this method. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 16:08, 2 June 2006 (PDT)


Well, you CAN categorize images.  We have a a system of image galleries at sporewiki shown [http://www.sporewiki.com/Category:Creature_Phase_Images here] which rely on categories.  The same can be done here, just make the naming the same as the game.  If there is a game guide for [[Zelda: Ocarina of Time]] then create a [[:Category:. Zelda: Ocarina of Time images]] that all of the images related to that game are placed in.  You can create other categorizations with maps and such by just adding them to [[:Category:Map images]] or anything like that.  It creates a fairly easy to view display so you can fine the good ones easily.  And of course the cats can have categories as well.  That would be quite a task, but starting off a basic sorting program for images is a good start. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 18:55, 2 June 2006 (PDT)
Well, you CAN categorize images.  We have a a system of image galleries at sporewiki shown [http://www.sporewiki.com/Category:Creature_Phase_Images here] which rely on categories.  The same can be done here, just make the naming the same as the game.  If there is a game guide for [[Zelda: Ocarina of Time]] then create a <nowiki>[[:Category:. Zelda: Ocarina of Time images]]</nowiki> that all of the images related to that game are placed in.  You can create other categorizations with maps and such by just adding them to <nowiki>[[:Category:Map images]]</nowiki> or anything like that.  It creates a fairly easy to view display so you can fine the good ones easily.  And of course the cats can have categories as well.  That would be quite a task, but starting off a basic sorting program for images is a good start. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 18:55, 2 June 2006 (PDT)


:That would be really helpful, but we would need a lot of people to help us categorize everything... I wonder if we could send out an email asking users to come back and categorize any images they uploaded? [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] <sub>[[User_talk:Cosmo|let's chat]]</sub>
:That would be really helpful, but we would need a lot of people to help us categorize everything... I wonder if we could send out an email asking users to come back and categorize any images they uploaded? [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] <sub>[[User_talk:Cosmo|let's chat]]</sub>


:: Aniki21 has started already without waiting for anybody. :-P He's using [[:Category:Character art]] (character renders, etc.) and [[:Category:Game art]] (covers, posters, etc.). I think these are reasonable enough to be made official. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 11:31, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
:: Aniki21 has started already without waiting for anybody. :-P He's using <nowiki>[[:Category:Character art]]</nowiki> (character renders, etc.) and <nowiki>[[:Category:Game art]]</nowiki> (covers, posters, etc.). I think these are reasonable enough to be made official. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 11:31, 6 June 2006 (PDT)


:::Perhaps a more neutral "Game images" cat would be better?  Just tossing it out there. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:04, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
:::Perhaps a more neutral "Game images" cat would be better?  Just tossing it out there. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:04, 6 June 2006 (PDT)
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:::::True, but I meant more along the lines of "images" instead of "art" for stuff like that?  Like map images, or character images.
:::::True, but I meant more along the lines of "images" instead of "art" for stuff like that?  Like map images, or character images.


:::Maybe [[:Category:Game art]] should be [[:Category:Cover art]] or [[:Category:Game covers]]...  Game art just seems a bit ambiguous to me.--[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]]
:::Maybe <nowiki>[[:Category:Game art]]</nowiki> should be <nowiki>[[:Category:Cover art]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[:Category:Game covers]]</nowiki>...  Game art just seems a bit ambiguous to me.--[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]]


::::I still think we should just use something like screenshots, game artwork, map, box art, or item for categories. It would be precise and easy. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] <sub>[[User_talk:Cosmo|let's chat]]</sub>
::::I still think we should just use something like screenshots, game artwork, map, box art, or item for categories. It would be precise and easy. [[User:Cosmo|Cosmo]] <sub>[[User_talk:Cosmo|let's chat]]</sub>
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==Cleanup project==
==Cleanup project==


I've created [[User:DrBob/Cleanup|a page]] consolidating all my cleanup efforts, and I'm hoping it can make it somewhere useful, like [[StrategyWiki:Cleanup]]. I would like to make it a recognised "sub-project", and possibly involve more people in maintaining and cleaning StrategyWiki. I would also like [[User:DrBob/Wikify]] to be made official, and used on pages which need wikification, so they can more easily be found. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 23:36, 15 June 2006 (PDT)
I've created <nowiki>[[User:DrBob/Cleanup|a page]]</nowiki> consolidating all my cleanup efforts, and I'm hoping it can make it somewhere useful, like <nowiki>[[StrategyWiki:Cleanup]]</nowiki>. I would like to make it a recognised "sub-project", and possibly involve more people in maintaining and cleaning StrategyWiki. I would also like <nowiki>[[User:DrBob/Wikify]]</nowiki> to be made official, and used on pages which need wikification, so they can more easily be found. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 23:36, 15 June 2006 (PDT)
:Can I recommend a kind of policy similar to sporewiki's cleanup page? http://www.sporewiki.com/SporeWiki:Cleanup?
:Can I recommend a kind of policy similar to sporewiki's cleanup page? http://www.sporewiki.com/SporeWiki:Cleanup?


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:::: I was thinking it would be a good idea to categorize guides by overall completion level. We could easily place each level in an overall category of "All guides", thus killing two birds with one stone. Thoughts? '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''<sup>[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]</sup> 10:19, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
:::: I was thinking it would be a good idea to categorize guides by overall completion level. We could easily place each level in an overall category of "All guides", thus killing two birds with one stone. Thoughts? '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''<sup>[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]</sup> 10:19, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
::::: An interesting idea, though it might be difficult to implement.  Mainly, how do we determine which guides are the most complete?  While it might be obvious for some guides, it'll be less obvious for others, namely MMO games that are constantly updating.  Couple that with that fact that the guides on this site will continue to improve and more content added, we'd have to update the list very often.  A simple alphabetical list would probably be the best idea, unless we can think of a way to defines a level of completeness and are willing to update the list often.--[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]] 11:02, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
::::: An interesting idea, though it might be difficult to implement.  Mainly, how do we determine which guides are the most complete?  While it might be obvious for some guides, it'll be less obvious for others, namely MMO games that are constantly updating.  Couple that with that fact that the guides on this site will continue to improve and more content added, we'd have to update the list very often.  A simple alphabetical list would probably be the best idea, unless we can think of a way to defines a level of completeness and are willing to update the list often.--[[User:Dukeruckley|Dukeruckley]] 11:02, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
:Well we have that 4 boxes things for sections of guides, like the [[FFVII]] one, we could just have a template that puts one down for the whole guide, and depending what image you use, it will categorize the guide into a different place.  And optionally all guides could ALSO be in a [[:category:guide]] category which would categorize all of them and sort them alphabetically too. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 13:13, 19 June 2006 (PDT)
:Well we have that 4 boxes things for sections of guides, like the [[FFVII]] one, we could just have a template that puts one down for the whole guide, and depending what image you use, it will categorize the guide into a different place.  And optionally all guides could ALSO be in a <nowiki>[[:category:guide]]</nowiki> category which would categorize all of them and sort them alphabetically too. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 13:13, 19 June 2006 (PDT)


==NCL==
==NCL==
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==Relicensing plan==
==Relicensing plan==


[[StrategyWiki_talk:License#Relicense_StrategyWiki_Plan_-_This_is_important.21|Check this out]] and comment please! (Your comments to this Community Issues post are not necessary, so please do so on the License talk page instead.) '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''<sup>[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]</sup> 04:05, 23 June 2006 (PDT)
<nowiki>[[StrategyWiki_talk:License#Relicense_StrategyWiki_Plan_-_This_is_important.21|Check this out]]</nowiki> and comment please! (Your comments to this Community Issues post are not necessary, so please do so on the License talk page instead.) '''[[User:Echelon|ech]][[User_talk:Echelon|<font color="#125">elon</font>]]'''<sup>[[Image:Ocarina.gif|...]]</sup> 04:05, 23 June 2006 (PDT)


==Contributors list==
==Contributors list==
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==Guide navigation==
==Guide navigation==


Currently, we have at least three general guide navigation templates: [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]], [[Template:All Nav|All Nav]] and Template:P/aniki - this is not including the many guide-specific ones. Could we ''please'' choose one to be the standard, and get rid of the others? I would personally lean towards [[Template:All Nav|All Nav]], because it optionally (using qif) combines the P template. However, if we do use it, I think the content should be moved to [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]], as that's referenced in many more places, and so in doing so would cut down the workload of re-referencing everything. If we did do that, the P template would also become obsolete. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 11:30, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
Currently, we have at least three general guide navigation templates: [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]], <nowiki>[[Template:All Nav|All Nav]]</nowiki> and Template:P/aniki - this is not including the many guide-specific ones. Could we ''please'' choose one to be the standard, and get rid of the others? I would personally lean towards <nowiki>[[Template:All Nav|All Nav]]</nowiki>, because it optionally (using qif) combines the P template. However, if we do use it, I think the content should be moved to [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]], as that's referenced in many more places, and so in doing so would cut down the workload of re-referencing everything. If we did do that, the P template would also become obsolete. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 11:30, 25 June 2006 (PDT)


: Yeah, let's merge [[Template:All Nav|All Nav]] into [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]]. The others should be removed. Everyone else in favor of this? <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 11:55, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
: Yeah, let's merge <nowiki>[[Template:All Nav|All Nav]]</nowiki> into [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]]. The others should be removed. Everyone else in favor of this? <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 11:55, 25 June 2006 (PDT)


:: I agree that there should be a standard one. I like the idea of merging [[Template:All Nav|All Nav]] into [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]]. I'm in favor. --[[User:Antaios|Antaios]] 11:58, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
:: I agree that there should be a standard one. I like the idea of merging <nowiki>[[Template:All Nav|All Nav]]</nowiki> into [[Template:Header Nav|Header Nav]]. I'm in favor. --[[User:Antaios|Antaios]] 11:58, 25 June 2006 (PDT)


::: I've deprecated the others, and I'm now going to replace all references to them. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 12:22, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
::: I've deprecated the others, and I'm now going to replace all references to them. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 12:22, 25 June 2006 (PDT)


What about sidenavs (e.g. [[Template:Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nav]]), will those ever become part of a standard? At the moment they don't display correctly in skins other than BlueCloud and Monobook, but that's easily corrected. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 20:23, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
What about sidenavs (e.g. <nowiki>[[Template:Zelda: Ocarina of Time Nav]]</nowiki>), will those ever become part of a standard? At the moment they don't display correctly in skins other than BlueCloud and Monobook, but that's easily corrected. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 20:23, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
: I'm really waiting for some large amounts of free time, because I have this idea to make a new Javascript system to make not only the sidebars work, but also have them presentable in condensed form. It'll take a lot of work though, so... <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 20:34, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
: I'm really waiting for some large amounts of free time, because I have this idea to make a new Javascript system to make not only the sidebars work, but also have them presentable in condensed form. It'll take a lot of work though, so... <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 20:34, 25 June 2006 (PDT)


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:::::::: I'll take a look at the bug later, but I am referring to the dynamic nav system itself. IMHO, the "Table of Contents" link in the Header Nav proper (i.e. the one which has always been there) should be emphasised more, and when clicked, expand the full table of contents, with a light grey border around the bottom, left and right to separate it from the content, and perhaps with a "tab" effect applied to the Table of Contents link the user just clicked. I don't like the fact that it's expanded by default (takes up far too much space), and the current border and grey title bar doesn't fit in; neither does the reduced width. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 10:04, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
:::::::: I'll take a look at the bug later, but I am referring to the dynamic nav system itself. IMHO, the "Table of Contents" link in the Header Nav proper (i.e. the one which has always been there) should be emphasised more, and when clicked, expand the full table of contents, with a light grey border around the bottom, left and right to separate it from the content, and perhaps with a "tab" effect applied to the Table of Contents link the user just clicked. I don't like the fact that it's expanded by default (takes up far too much space), and the current border and grey title bar doesn't fit in; neither does the reduced width. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 10:04, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
I believe I get what you're saying.  It is strange to have a TOC link and also have the dynamic nav, and if possible I would like to be able to have clicking the TOC link bring down the whole nav.  Perhaps the entire content of Header Nav should have a border around it to seperate it from the content?  I think that would make things clearer.  It's kind of hard to get exactly what you mean, but if you set up a test Header Nav to mess with styles it might be easier to follow. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 11:11, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
I believe I get what you're saying.  It is strange to have a TOC link and also have the dynamic nav, and if possible I would like to be able to have clicking the TOC link bring down the whole nav.  Perhaps the entire content of Header Nav should have a border around it to seperate it from the content?  I think that would make things clearer.  It's kind of hard to get exactly what you mean, but if you set up a test Header Nav to mess with styles it might be easier to follow. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 11:11, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
: I've fixed the show/hide problem (a dirty hack, because the function creating the show/hide links was being called twice and I'm not about to debug that) in BlueCloud, but not Monobook because you said the problem doesn't occur with it. I've also created a [[User:DrBob/Header Nav|WIP mockup]] of what I was thinking of for the ToC stuff, incorporating your idea of bordering the Header Nav entirely. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 12:37, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
: I've fixed the show/hide problem (a dirty hack, because the function creating the show/hide links was being called twice and I'm not about to debug that) in BlueCloud, but not Monobook because you said the problem doesn't occur with it. I've also created a <nowiki>[[User:DrBob/Header Nav|WIP mockup]]</nowiki> of what I was thinking of for the ToC stuff, incorporating your idea of bordering the Header Nav entirely. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([http://strategywiki.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:DrBob&amp;action=edit&amp;section=new Talk]) 12:37, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
::I think that is very cool, I changed the [[Counter-Strike:_Source/Table_of_Contents]] page so that it didn't include the infobox.  Perhaps it can be set up so that the infobox is shown on the page whe you view it, but when it is included it sets up the TOC horizontally?  It seems like a lot of effort for this to be done on most multi-page guides, but I definitly like the style.  I think this will look amazing on the zelda guide, just each guide will have to figure out exactly what will be included in the template. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:25, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
::I think that is very cool, I changed the [[Counter-Strike:_Source/Table_of_Contents]] page so that it didn't include the infobox.  Perhaps it can be set up so that the infobox is shown on the page whe you view it, but when it is included it sets up the TOC horizontally?  It seems like a lot of effort for this to be done on most multi-page guides, but I definitly like the style.  I think this will look amazing on the zelda guide, just each guide will have to figure out exactly what will be included in the template. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:25, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
::I made some more changes, so it appears exactly the same on the TOC page itself, but when used in the template it looks much cleaner. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:33, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
::I made some more changes, so it appears exactly the same on the TOC page itself, but when used in the template it looks much cleaner. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 20:33, 27 June 2006 (PDT)
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:# The original ToC that I designed was not set into any formal kind of standard. Different guides may require different types of data displayed under the Table of Contents--perhaps diagrams or images. While I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but the new one seems like it wouldn't fit those types of things.  
:# The original ToC that I designed was not set into any formal kind of standard. Different guides may require different types of data displayed under the Table of Contents--perhaps diagrams or images. While I'm not sure if this is the case or not, but the new one seems like it wouldn't fit those types of things.  
:I hope I'm not trying to backstep or be redundant, but I do feel that we should revert back. The show/hide template for Wikipedia ''will'' have uses here, I just don't feel we should use it for the Table of Contents. (Sorry Mason, I know you must've put a lot of work into it :( <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 13:09, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
:I hope I'm not trying to backstep or be redundant, but I do feel that we should revert back. The show/hide template for Wikipedia ''will'' have uses here, I just don't feel we should use it for the Table of Contents. (Sorry Mason, I know you must've put a lot of work into it :( <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 13:09, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
:: I'm not quite sure what you mean here, although it has been a long day. Have you looked at my [[User:DrBob/Header Nav|spiffied up version]]?
:: I'm not quite sure what you mean here, although it has been a long day. Have you looked at my <nowiki>[[User:DrBob/Header Nav|spiffied up version]]</nowiki>?
:: I kind of get what you're saying, but I think as it is now it's got it's advantages over the older one, but if you have improvements to this or even a completly different style that has more advantages I think it'd work great.  The spiffed up version DrBob made is quite a big improvement over the one I made and I think it takes into account some of your ideas.  Also, I didn't get the show/hide on the version you had before, although it IS possible that was my fault.  I think the bold change you did with the Header Nav got us into a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD%2C_revert%2C_discuss_cycle Bold-revert-discuss cycle] which is one of the best ways of getting the most out of this.  Feel free to change the one I made, but I DO think it is an improvement over what was there before, even if it has it's faults which is completly open to change which DrBob has done. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 15:30, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
:: I kind of get what you're saying, but I think as it is now it's got it's advantages over the older one, but if you have improvements to this or even a completly different style that has more advantages I think it'd work great.  The spiffed up version DrBob made is quite a big improvement over the one I made and I think it takes into account some of your ideas.  Also, I didn't get the show/hide on the version you had before, although it IS possible that was my fault.  I think the bold change you did with the Header Nav got us into a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD%2C_revert%2C_discuss_cycle Bold-revert-discuss cycle] which is one of the best ways of getting the most out of this.  Feel free to change the one I made, but I DO think it is an improvement over what was there before, even if it has it's faults which is completly open to change which DrBob has done. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 15:30, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
::: The version that DrBob is working on looks great! This is the first I've seen of it. It's pretty much a better looking mix of your version and mine. The only thing that might be problematic in his version: I'm not sure about the use of <nowiki>==Heading==</nowiki> markup, since doing so causes the wiki-generated table of contents (<nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki>) to go berzerk. If we could replace the headings with <nowiki><big></nowiki> and bold markup, it won't interfere with the toc and would be flawless.  
::: The version that DrBob is working on looks great! This is the first I've seen of it. It's pretty much a better looking mix of your version and mine. The only thing that might be problematic in his version: I'm not sure about the use of <nowiki>==Heading==</nowiki> markup, since doing so causes the wiki-generated table of contents (<nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki>) to go berzerk. If we could replace the headings with <nowiki><big></nowiki> and bold markup, it won't interfere with the toc and would be flawless.  
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==Open invitation for Pac-Man Patterns==
==Open invitation for Pac-Man Patterns==


In the spirit of StrategyWiki, I started a [[Pac-Man/Patterns|Pac-Man Patterns]] section in the Pac-Man entry, so I thought it would be fun if all the usual members of StrategyWiki contributed their favorite pattern to the page.  To be honest, I think it's the first of it's kind, a public repository of Pac-Man patterns.  If it fills up with lots of contributions, who knows, we could get a lot of press in video game blogs like Joystiq or Kotaku.  I look forward to seeing any of your additions!  Feedback is welcome.  Thanks! [[User:Procyon|Procyon]] 19:01, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
In the spirit of StrategyWiki, I started a <nowiki>[[Pac-Man/Patterns|Pac-Man Patterns]]</nowiki> section in the Pac-Man entry, so I thought it would be fun if all the usual members of StrategyWiki contributed their favorite pattern to the page.  To be honest, I think it's the first of it's kind, a public repository of Pac-Man patterns.  If it fills up with lots of contributions, who knows, we could get a lot of press in video game blogs like Joystiq or Kotaku.  I look forward to seeing any of your additions!  Feedback is welcome.  Thanks! [[User:Procyon|Procyon]] 19:01, 28 June 2006 (PDT)


:Left comment on that pages talk. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 07:33, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
:Left comment on that pages talk. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 07:33, 29 June 2006 (PDT)
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==Marking GFDL articles==
==Marking GFDL articles==


I've created [[Template:GFDL_Article]] to mark all the existing articles so we can begin the relicensing process. Is everyone ready to do this? (Do you think this template is sufficient?) <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 19:48, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
I've created <nowiki>[[Template:GFDL_Article]]</nowiki> to mark all the existing articles so we can begin the relicensing process. Is everyone ready to do this? (Do you think this template is sufficient?) <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 19:48, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
:Looks fine. I don't know that images need tagging though, Wikipedia and the like merrily use images regardless of what copyleft license they use. How are you going to identify untagged pages though, with a database query? [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 19:56, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
:Looks fine. I don't know that images need tagging though, Wikipedia and the like merrily use images regardless of what copyleft license they use. How are you going to identify untagged pages though, with a database query? [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 19:56, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
:: [[Special:Allpages]], unfortunately.  <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 21:02, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
:: [[Special:Allpages]], unfortunately.  <span style="border: 2px solid #000; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#000">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#fff;background-color:#000">''elon''</span>]]'''</span> 21:02, 28 June 2006 (PDT)
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It looks like they are all done, can we do the transition now?  That would be best I think, and I'll set up a page for all contributors to offer to release their content into the SWPL. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 08:30, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
It looks like they are all done, can we do the transition now?  That would be best I think, and I'll set up a page for all contributors to offer to release their content into the SWPL. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 08:30, 30 June 2006 (PDT)


:I made [[StrategyWiki:StrategyWiki_Public_License_editors|that page]], and I'll begin spamming talk pages for contributors to [[:Category:GFDL_articles|the guides that are GNU FDL]].  I'll simply paste {{subst:[[Template:GNUtoSWPL|GNUtoSWPL]]}} onto their talk pages, and it should go quickly, feel free to clean up that template while this is going on. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 08:46, 30 June 2006 (PDT)
:I made <nowiki>[[StrategyWiki:StrategyWiki_Public_License_editors|that page]]</nowiki>, and I'll begin spamming talk pages for contributors to <nowiki>[[:Category:GFDL_articles|the guides that are GNU FDL]]</nowiki>.  I'll simply paste <nowiki>{{subst:[[Template:GNUtoSWPL|GNUtoSWPL]]}}</nowiki> onto their talk pages, and it should go quickly, feel free to clean up that template while this is going on. -- [[User:Mason11987|Mason11987]] <sup>([[User talk:Mason11987|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Mason11987|Contributions]])</sup> 08:46, 30 June 2006 (PDT)


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