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== Backward compatibility ==


Currently, there is a consideration to add all platforms that a game is playable on to its infobox. This includes platforms that offer backward compatibility (for example, all PS4 games can be purchased on the PS5's digital storefront, even though those games were not made for the PS5). The question then becomes how to handle this for platforms that offer limited backward compatibility (for example, the original DS and DS Lite models could play all GBA games, but this feature was discontinued with the DSi). Any thoughts? --[[User:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Purple">'''Wario'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Blue">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 19:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
:I think we should cover this information, but with BC being inconsistent, we would need some kind of clarification. I think the easiest solution is a template like {{t|bc|ps5}} in the infobox, which links to the <code>#Backwards compatibility</code> section on the relevant system's page, which can go into how BC is supported on that system. The infobox could look something like this:
:<pre>|systems=[[PlayStation 2]], {{bc|ps3}}</pre>
:A related question would be purpose-built backwards compatibility like [[Super Game Boy]], which allows you to play GB games on SNES. I think it supports everything that [[Game Boy]] supports, but some games have "special features", like special borders and colour schemes. Would these count as supported systems, or BC? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:42, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
::Still hoping to get more feedback on this one. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 00:22, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Now with {{t|syslist}}, perhaps we can have {{t|bclist}}? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 23:06, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
:::I'm thinking the best course of action is probably having a <code>|bcsystems=</code> parameter in the infobox with a {{t|bcsyslist}} template. This way we can modify the layout in the future (either show it with the systems, or as a separate row), and we can have more unique categorization options for each system. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:41, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
:I think splitting them to two groups is fine. I would not treat hardware extensions like SGB the same as I would say the Wii playing GCN games. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 17:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


== Blocked Message ==
A topic that came up on discord yesterday was the {{c|Wii Virtual Console}} situation where games were sold on new platforms, but using emulation. In particular the fact that without the category the main {{c|Wii}} category is filled with irrelevant entries. My opinion is that it was a mistake to remove the category, it is needed to keep the main system category free of clutter.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] ([[User talk:Henke37|talk]]) 17:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


What will the blocked message be for this wiki? [[User:Mpadilla0139|Mpadilla0139]] ([[User talk:Mpadilla0139|talk]]) 23:09, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
== {{c|Multiplayer}} ==
:What are you talking about?  Better yet, why do you care?  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)


== Ports, remasters, and re-releases ==
This category should be split up into more specific categories. At least the following:
{{Game
* Local multiplayer
|title=Halo 2
* Local co-op
|image=halo2-box.jpg
* Local splitscreen multiplayer
|developer=[[Bungie Studios]]
* Local hotseat multiplayer
|publisher=[[Microsoft Game Studios]]
* Online multiplayer
|genre=[[FPS]]
* Online co-op
|systems=[[Xbox]], [[Xbox 360]]
* MMO
|year=2004
Any others? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 17:29, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
|players=1-16
:Local splitscreen co-op, and maybe instead of "multiplayer" it should be "versus" or "PVP". Also it would be good to have a modelist template. -[[User:BrownDerby|BrownDerby]] ([[User talk:BrownDerby|talk]]) 19:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
|modes=[[Single player]], [[multiplayer]]
::I'm still a bit concerned about the "co-op" term at all. It's really useful to know which games have a co-op mode, but a game has to have multiplayer in some form to allow it, so I'm not sure it exactly fits in with all the other options. Perhaps it should only be a single option that says "yes there is some form of multiplayer co-op".
|ratings={{ESRB|M}}{{PEGI|16}}{{CERO|C}}
::* Single player
|preceded by=[[Halo: Combat Evolved]]
::* Email multiplayer ([[Civilization]])
|followed by=[[Halo 3]]
::* Multiplayer ([[Contra]])
|series=Halo
::* Hot-seat multiplayer ([[Super Mario World]])
|website=[http://bungie.net/Games/Halo2/ Bungie's official Halo 2 site]<br />[http://www.halo2.com Official Halo 2 for Vista site]
::* Split-screen multiplayer ([[GoldenEye 007]])
|title1=Halo 2
::* Online multiplayer
|developer1=[[Hired Gun]]
::* Massively multiplayer online
|publisher1=[[Microsoft Game Studios]]
::* Co-op
|year1=2007
::-- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 20:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
|systems1=[[Windows]]
::: Going by this list, it looks like the "coop" designation is orthogonal to the rest. Coop describes the relationship between players, while the rest are how two players share the experience.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] ([[User talk:Henke37|talk]]) 08:12, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
|ratings1={{ESRB|M}}{{PEGI|16}}
::::Being orthogonal, we could either create categories for every intersection (with multiplayer, so 13 total) or keep it as a separate entry and people could search based on some kind of query (DPL or Cargo). I feel these 8 categories should be enough of a split for most purposes, or is it over-categorization already? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
|title2=Halo 2: Anniversary
 
|developer2=[[343 Industries]]
== Delete all {{c|Days}} ==
|publisher2=[[Microsoft Studios]]
 
|year2=2014
As the various {{t|rd}} based templates are disappearing, nothing will be categorized by the days of the year. It makes sense to delete all the day sub-categories like {{c|January 1}}. This leaves the redirects, like [[January 1]]. Simplest would be to delink and delete them all. Does anyone see any potential uses for these pages otherwise? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 00:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
|systems2=[[Xbox One]]
:Honestly no, these categories rarely helped unless someone wanted to know what games were released on their birthday.  I did wonder if a month/year category would be interesting, but probably only for people who religiously chronogame like I do, and I have other sources for that information.  I say let 'em go.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 01:07, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
|pcgamingwiki=Halo 2: Anniversary
::I agree with the end of days. I think keep things in months as the smallest is fine. As for day pages, with the exception of April 1st which may have inter-site function (and should exclusively be used for that), games should not have listed days as links. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 17:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
}}
:::If you mean <tt>Category:March</tt>, I feel that's unnecessary since it doesn't really serve a purpose. If you mean at the year-specific level, like <tt>Category:March 2023</tt>, I feel it gets back to the original problem of us having verified data on specific months. Users shouldn't come to us as a source for release dates, even at a monthly level, the primary use of dates, since none of it is verified. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
:This is now done. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 06:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Fully gut supporting unplayable games ==
 
It does not make sense that we host coverage of games that are [[:Category:Unplayable games|no longer playable in any capacity]]. Many of these guides were not even well completed either. I would like to nominate the deletion of all to most existing unplayable titles, and implementing a policy that would remove game that have shut down or recently become unplayable otherwise to be deleted after 1 month of its closure. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 17:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
:We should absolutely keep the front pages. The games existed, and we should show that we know of their (one-time) existence. I can see validity to discussing purging all subpages, but some of these games do come back as abandonware. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
::And if they do, the main page can be undeleted. Nonexistant/unplayable titles are for Wikipedia, not StrategyWiki. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:29, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
:::Bumping this conversation. Since then, I have also added several more titles to the list that weren't initially marked for unplayability. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 13:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
::::Maybe it'd be better to have just made a new section, but I remain firm that we should remove these titles and they are not applicable to our scope. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 05:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 
== Virtual Console ==
 
A discussion was had recently in the Discord about Virtual Console. To be more clear, in a categorical sense, games that were purchasable via Nintendo's Virtual Console should not list the console purchased on a game's infobox. An example is [[Albert Odyssey]] (1993), which while playable via the Super Famicom and Satellaview, were also able to be downloaded on the Japanese Virtual Consoles for Wii and Wii U. These Virtual Console releases are simply emulation, so I believe a consensus should be reached on whether the modern consoles names are completely removed, kept on there, or if a new category for Virtual Consoles should be added.
[[User:Auxillify|Auxillify]] ([[User talk:Auxillify|talk]]) 22:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
:Wii VC and similar were all removed since they're more like distributors than systems. You still play the game on your Wii system, though it is emulated (officially provided by the manufacturer, rather than 3rd party). There's a lot of systems that would need to be (re)created to re-categorize like this, and I'm not sure they're all as simple as running through an emulator.
:* [[Nintendo Switch Online]] + Expansion Pack
:* [[PlayStation Network]]
:* [[Xbox Live Arcade]]
:* [[Wii Virtual Console]]
:* [[Wii U Virtual Console]]
:* [[Nintendo 3DS Virtual Console]]
:One idea brought up on discord was to handle these like the [[Super Game Boy]]. Categorize them, but don't list them in the infobox. They're similar to accessories to the base system that provide additional functionality (playing old games). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 23:14, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
::I think VC should be identified as a sales platform and not a system, similar to Steam.  Steam isn't a system, it's a distribution point.  (To complicate matters more, we don't identify Steam games as belonging to the PC system, we say they're Windows and/or Linux games).  We used to have this distinction in the Infobox but then it went away.  I think it's a useful distinction, and I'd be in favor of bringing it back. Yeah it can become a headache to maintain all of the sources where a game can come from, but that's the point of the wiki; it's a collaborative effort, and it can be achieved through enough users' efforts. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 00:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 
==Mods are Asleep==
Write [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Klondike_lost_game.jpg klondike] walkthroughs. --[[Special:Contributions/45.72.205.4|45.72.205.4]] '''04:17, 1 April 2023 (UTC)'''
 
== Syscat/data.json ==
 
"360" for Xbox 360 doesn't work. -[[User:BrownDerby|BrownDerby]] ([[User talk:BrownDerby|talk]]) 04:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
:I believe this should be fixed now. Thanks for bringing it up! -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 05:37, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 
Please add "pv1000" and "pv2000" for Casio PV-1000 and Casio PV-2000. -[[User:BrownDerby|BrownDerby]] ([[User talk:BrownDerby|talk]]) 21:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
:Done. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 05:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
 
== pokemon red generation 1 online trading ==
 
I recently started playing Pokémon generation 1 - red, and i wanted to know if there is any way I can trade online to complete pokedex?
thank you!
[[User:Bentho|Bentho]] ([[User talk:Bentho|talk]]) 06:18, 23 April 2023 (UTC)bentho
:This really isn't an area of expertise for StrategyWiki.  It's unclear by what method you are attempting to do this, but regardless, you would be better served posting this question to the r/pokemon subreddit on Reddit, as they are more likely to know the answer to your question.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 
== Image Category updates ==
 
[[:Category:Company logos]] and [[:Category:System logos]] are currently in [[:Category:Logos]]
Category:Logos directly seems to contain a mix of series and game-specific logos (mobile games).
 
I'd like to suggest we get rid of Category:Logos, and split it into the following 4 categories:
* [[:Category:Logos (game)]]
* [[:Category:Logos (series)]]
* [[:Category:Logos (company)]]
* [[:Category:Logos (system)]]
-- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 
::I retort with have all five. There will always be outliers and exceptions, plus it makes sense to have a unifying root category anyway. Logos/Game logos/Series logos/Company logos/System logos. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig Jegman]] - 20:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 
== RetroAchievements inclusion ==
 
So, since RetroAchievements is a way to enjoy even more RetroGames, and that people on RA would be looking for guides of Retro games, why not include and add achievements/achievements guides to the related games pages?
 
[[User:Arkhane|Arkhane]] ([[User talk:Arkhane|talk]]) 18:54, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 
== Policy on WebP images? ==
 
I notice that [[Help:Images#Image_Formats|the policy on image formats]] does not mention [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP WebP]. I assume PNGs are currently preferred over WebP for lossless raster images, correct? [[User:Iridium Context|Iridium Context]] ([[User talk:Iridium Context|talk]]) 16:28, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
:It's generally better to stick to the original format an image is available in. I believe webp uploads are allowed, so if the image comes in that format it should be fine. It would be better not to convert to webp as it doesn't have as widespread support as the other formats. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:08, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== Proper image classification for sprites masquerading as 3D models? ==
 
[[Skaphander: Der Auftrag]] treats enemies and items as points (not polygonal models) in the 3D scene and renders them as distance-scaled sprites at the appropriate place in the Z order. For example, see [https://www.myabandonware.com/media/screenshots/s/skaphander-der-auftrag-xzt/skaphander-der-auftrag_5.png this screenshot], where the viruses look like 3D models to try to blend in with the rest of the scene (which is true 3D), but if you look closely, they're actually both the same sprite just at different scales. Is "sprite" still the correct [[Template:File#Parameters|image type]] to use for uploads even if these are not sprites used in the traditional sense? [[User:Iridium Context|Iridium Context]] ([[User talk:Iridium Context|talk]]) 16:29, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 
:I would say they probably qualify still as sprites, yes. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig Jegman]] - 19:32, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
 
== Content variation by difficulty level? ==
 
At [[Skaphander: Der Auftrag]] I was thinking it would be nice to vary the walkthrough text and images by difficulty level, a lot like is done with {{t|Control selector}} and {{t|Control}} for different platforms, rather than constantly having to describe three possible cases (easy, medium, and hard) in the prose. However, those templates rely on [[MediaWiki:Gadget-ControlSelector.js]] to function. I could abuse it, making templates that provide a controller selector reskinned to look like a difficulty selector, but that wouldn't work if some hypothetical game wants to vary page content by both platform and difficulty level. Would StrategyWiki be open to having a new JavaScript gadget to support a {{t|Difficulty selector}}/{{t|Difficulty}} pair that plays nicely with the controls templates? I would be willing to write the JavaScript, and I would keep it short and readable so that it could be reviewed to allay any security concerns. [[User:Iridium Context|Iridium Context]] ([[User talk:Iridium Context|talk]]) 15:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
:I'm not a fan of hiding content with js. With controls, it's not a big deal for someone to figure out an associated control if the wrong one is showing. But with walkthrough content, it could be frustrating if someone didn't notice the selector switch. Depending on how different the difficulty variations are, it could be simpler to just have sidebars to explain the differences (small changes), separate different sections on each page (large changes), or even separate pages for each difficulty (extensive changes). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:12, 25 November 2023 (UTC)


Currently, we have a few different ways re-releases and ports are handled. Some games have a [[Gradius/Versions|Versions]]/[[Ninja Gaiden/Home version comparison|Home version comparison]] page. Others have a separate [[Saints Row The Third: Remastered|main page]]. There's a lot of information, and I'd like to improve the organization, and reduce redundancy. As our general policy is one "game" should have one guide, even if it differs in name, graphics, or features, I feel we should consolidate all the distinct guides into a single one. I propose the following changes:
== Attribute anonymous edit ==
# Have sections in the {{t|Game}} infobox, one for each release/port, which can be collapsed to just the title. Each section would have 6 entries - title, developer, publisher, year, system, rating. Any most recent boxart (or some other metric) can go in the infobox, but other scans can go in a gallery below the {{t|Continue Nav}}. This would reduce the duplication of main pages without losing any information, and make it less likely for users to accidentally end up in a "different" guide with no way back to the main page.
# For minor differences in the versions, it can be listed on the guide main page. For more in-depth details, we can have a '''Versions''' page (move '''Home version comparison''' to '''Versions''')
One major impact mentioned above, is the removal of release dates, reduced to just a year. As we generally don't include references on StrategyWiki, none of our dates can be trusted, which isn't useful as a historical reference. The only information it provides is approximately when the game was released, which is clear enough from just the year. This also removes country-specific release information. This will shrink [[Donkey Kong|ridiculously]] [[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess|long]] [[Super Mario All-Stars|infoboxes]] (some [[Final Fight|doubly]] so). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 08:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)


:The consolidated guides sounds fine but the infobox stuff I'm not sure. It would be good to see an example first. -[[User:BrownDerby|BrownDerby]] ([[User talk:BrownDerby|talk]]) 02:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi there, I just made an edit but forgot to log in. Is there any chance it could be linked to my username instead of the IP? The edit was at [[Battlefield 3/Table of Contents]]. Thank you. [[User:Hypolar|Hypolar]] ([[User talk:Hypolar|talk]]) 17:39, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
::Example updated. This has the original game, plus 1 remake, but it would be expandable to more. I'm not really sure what criteria we would use to distinguish between splitting sections or not. All the actual DK releases are essentially the same, and we could only include the year the first one was released, and list all the systems under a single section. Re-releases (new developer/publisher) would definitely get their own section though. The /Versions page has a lot of the details on the specific versions. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 03:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, it's not really straightforward to re-attribute edits. If you're concerned about the IP being visible, we can hide the IP. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 22:14, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
::Yes, if you could hide it please that would be great, thank you! [[User:Hypolar|Hypolar]] ([[User talk:Hypolar|talk]]) 23:15, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Done. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 01:26, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much! [[User:Hypolar|Hypolar]] ([[User talk:Hypolar|talk]]) 12:01, 26 November 2023 (UTC)


Condensing things and eliminating redundancies has my complete approval. I managed to condense all the computers and NES guides for ''[[Ultima III: Exodus]]'' into one, despite the differences. I am preparing to do the same for ''[[Drakkhen]]'' (hard-mode computers vs. easy-mode SNES) and ''[[Eggerland 2]]/[[Eggerland]]''. Still, I am afraid that sometimes a remake is too different to be put in the same guide. For example, the SNES remake of ''[[Ultima VII: The Black Gate]]'' belongs even to a different genre! --[[User:Abacos|Abacos]] ([[User talk:Abacos|talk]]) 20:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
== SVG, Motion Control, Mouse 4 & 5, PS Vita, and Steam button icons ==
# I'd like to have the button icons to be in SVG file format because it is less blurry than PNG or JPG.<br>
# The Wii button template only has a shake icon for the Wii Remote, but there needs to be more motion control icons like tilt, thrust, and shake for each template that supports motion controls.<br>
# There are two mouse buttons on the side known as "Mouse 4" and "Mouse 5". It would be nice to include those two buttons in the mouse template.<br>
# I already did the L & R PlayStation buttons, but all I need next is the Rear Touch Pad on the PS Vita.<br>
# Valve's games' controls are different on Steam Controller and Steam Deck from their console versions, so it would be nice to include Steam Controller and Steam Deck button icons.<br>
[[User:Gorilli09|Gorilli09]] ([[User talk:Gorilli09|talk]]) 11:14, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


I don't get why release dates need to be removed when nothing else has references either. Is there really much of an advantage to using sectioned infoboxes as opposed to a single infobox with sectioned cells? I'm all for consolidated guides for rereleases that are fundamentally the same, but I guess remakes that are significantly different from the original, like say, ''[[Double Dragon (NES)]]'', ''[[Ninja Gaiden (NES)]]'', ''[[Final Fantasy VII Remake]]'', the ''[[Trials of Mana]]'' remake, ''[[Senran Kagura Burst Re:Newal]]'', or ''Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1'', would still need to have their own separate guides. [[User:Wanderer|Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Wanderer|talk]]) 04:56, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:# Great.  When you find any, let us know and we'll import them.
:If our dates are off by a day or two and no one is bothered, why even have the day? It's easy to vandalize a release date by a day or two and without references, we'd have to go searching for other sites to get the real information. If someone ''needs'' the information, they'd go somewhere with references. Release dates take up far more space in the infobox/front page than they deserve for such unreliable information. All other information has direct impacts to gameplay (publisher is debatable), but the specific release day does not.
:# Again, find a good source for them and we'll import them.
:If the game needs a different guide, it's effectively a different game, not a port or re-release, so there would be no concerns on the games you and Abacos mentioned. They'd stay separate. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 05:35, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:# What games use a 4th and 5th mouse button?  And how would you even represent them?
:# Find a model for what a rear touch pad icon should look like.
:# What's unique about Steam Deck and Steam Controllers that an X-Box One controller doesn't have?  
:This stuff doesn't appear out of thin air.  Someone would actually have to make all of this, and I'm a little uncertain as to how useful they would be under general circumstances.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 01:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
::I have a set of icons for the Steam Deck that I'll upload when I can get around to them. I do have icon sets for PS3/PS4/PS5/Vita, but they have different colour schemes between them, and are very different from all our other styles. They're also all PNG. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 03:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
:::I tried making SVG versions of Switch button icons, but it looks like the MW software just turns it into a PNG anyway. Some of them might work as HTML + CSS, though. [[User:Wanderer|Wanderer]] ([[User talk:Wanderer|talk]]) 01:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
::::The mediawiki software will convert it to png, but it'll scale it first, so it should still have many of the SVG benefits. MediaWiki will support native SVG starting in 1.41, but it may be some time before we can enable that setting. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 01:05, 29 February 2024 (UTC)


If the goal is just to make the infobox shorter, there are other things you could do:
==Launchbox Images==
* make the left column slimmer
* shorter or abbreviated names in sys header (eg "Nintendo Switch" to "Switch", "PlayStation 5" to "PS5")
* change dates to yyyy-mm-dd (2021-02-16)
* style="display:block; border:none; max-height:250px; overflow-y:auto" for release date cell
* change ratings so it's just a row of icons
* change partner links to a row of icons
* smaller font
-[[User:BrownDerby|BrownDerby]] ([[User talk:BrownDerby|talk]]) 08:40, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:The main goal is to reduce unnecessary information. There are 3 tweaks in your list to shrink/hide portions of the release dates; I'd rather just get rid of them (down to just the year). Ratings update is on my to-do list. I'm not a big fan of just icons for partner links, but it's a good point to consider. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 17:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
:We could also move all the release dates to [[wp:wikidata:Wikidata:WikiProject Video games|Wikidata]]. They have many more people who would be willing and able to validate release dates. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


I'm fine with consolidating ports with minor differences, but I would prefer separate main pages for enhanced ports/re-releases with additional content. The different versions can share the table of contents where it makes sense to reduce any redundancies in the walkthrough. The relevant infobox data can be moved to the separate pages, which would help shorten the infoboxes. [[User:Tedium|Tedium]] ([[User talk:Tedium|talk]]) 11:29, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Just wanted to ask a question regarding images from LaunchBox Games Database. Are they off-limits? Can I use specific ones? Please let me know. Thank you for your time. [[User:GamingBound|GamingBound]] ([[User talk:GamingBound|talk]]) 13:13, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
:A problem I've been trying to solve is if someone visits one of those "enhanced ports" and then clicks a link in the ToC, it's not clear how the user can get ''back'' to the main page they were on. By having the information on the guide's main page, and all the enhancement information either on the main guide page or the /Versions page, it's much easier to find the information. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 17:13, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
Some examples of games that would have a shared main guide page, with multiple entries:
* [[Gears of War]] / [[Gears of War: Ultimate Edition]]
* [[Halo 2]] / [[Halo 2: Anniversary]]
* [[Final Fantasy VIII]] / [[Final Fantasy VIII Remastered]]
* [[Halo Wars]] / [[Halo Wars: Definitive Edition]]
* [[Minecraft]] / [[Minecraft: Windows 10 Edition]]
* [[Q*Bert]] / [[J-Bird]]
The main concern this brings up for me, is that we would still need to categorize the correct names. However, with this updated infobox, it could probably be accomplished by a bot. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 16:49, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
===Template updated===
[[Module:Game]] has been updated. You can see a migration example on [[Special:Diff/889391|Gears of War]] and [[Special:Diff/889402|Halo 2]]. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
:This is really impressive Prod.  Nice job.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
As this change would remove the release date information, I'd actually like to move this content over to [[wikidata:]]. If there's no concerns, I can start working on a bot to do this migration. Unfortunately, the content may be too complex to automate, so it may only be possible for our more basic guides. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 19:51, 15 March 2021 (UTC)


A more in-depth example is [[Ace Combat: Assault Horizon]] and [[Ace Combat: Assault Horizon - Enhanced Edition|Enhanced Edition]]. I redirected Enhanced Edition back to the main release with appropriate categories, and deleted the ToC page. I also listed out all the different releases, and added a '''Versions''' section to go into more details. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 02:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
== Suggestion: Steam link in game infobox ==


== Hey ==
E.G. |steam=2731870 would link to [https://store.steampowered.com/app/2731870/ this]. This could also automatically link to [https://pcgamingwiki.com/api/appid.php?appid=2731870 PCGW]. -[[User:BrownDerby|BrownDerby]] ([[User talk:BrownDerby|talk]]) 17:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Hey, is there an image archive of all the images uploaded to StrategyWiki? I'm currently looking for a specific image to go in a page I'm editing, and can't find it. [[Special:Contributions/84.65.52.125|84.65.52.125]] 13:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
:I've avoided linking steam directly since I'd rather leave it to users to figure out how to procure their games, without promoting a specific storefront. Steam is the largest online game store, and is generally just a search away, so I don't think the additional effort from editors would help users as much. One thing I've been considering is linking to archive.org's archives of some of the very old games that are much harder to find these days, which are playable online ([https://archive.org/details/msdos_Super_Solvers_Treasure_Mountain_1990 example]). I've been tempted to remove <s>Twitter</s>X (28 uses) due to recent changes on the platform, and re-assessing twitch (37 uses)/fb (18 uses) as well.
: Welcome to Strategywiki, o anonymous contributor! All images are labeled with one or more categories. Here you can find 459 images about the guide you are editing: [[:Category:Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire_images]] -- [[User:Abacos|Abacos]] ([[User talk:Abacos|talk]]) 22:10, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
:I'd be much more inclined to link to [[wikidata:Property:P9075|wikidata]] though, which should be available for all games, not just PC. They currently link to almost 3k of our guides, so it wouldn't be too hard to have a bot connect those up. However, most of those are from PCGW already. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 01:27, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
:: Thanks fke the link! Unfortunately, I couldn't find the exact image I was looking for (if you're wondering, it's an image of the female rival sprite in Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire). Guess I'll wait to get a computer to upload it myself since I'm on mobile right now (or until some other user uploads it, whichever comes first) [[Special:Contributions/84.65.52.125|84.65.52.125]] 14:32, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


== Header Nav num parameter ==
== Creating too many articles at a time ==


I feel having the <tt>num</tt> parameter in the {{t|Header Nav}} doesn't really make sense. I suggest we move it to the {{t|Game}} infobox or even to its own template. I think having it as part of the infobox template makes the most sense, since it defines the guide page, but it doesn't have to be displayed in the table itself. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 05:49, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm getting concerned about getting banned on the website, because I created too many articles at a time. Is this a problem? [[User:Gorilli09|Gorilli09]] ([[User talk:Gorilli09|talk]]) 15:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
:I see your point, but at the same time, it is an optional parameter, and I'm afraid it would be confusing if one template's parameters controlled the behavior of the display of another. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:37, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
: What matters is not quantity, but quality. And we are lenient on good faith edits.--[[User:Henke37|Henke37]] ([[User talk:Henke37|talk]])
::MediaWiki has a feature called [[mw:Help:Page status indicators]]. We use them for {{t|featured}}. I have updated them to show up in the first heading instead of getting stuffed in the corner of the page content. I have also updated {{t|Header Bar}} to show the cs as an indicator [[Nintendo Puzzle Collection|as a demo]]. The goal would be to move this feature out of the header template into {{t|Game}}, and not show it in the nav at all. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 04:46, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
:Your edits are positive, so low chance of being banned. However, if you could fill in the main pages a bit, that would be appreciated. Just a few sentences about the release (contents of the infobox in sentence form) and maybe a paragraph of what gameplay is like would help a lot. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|talk]]) 20:52, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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