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Implemented into the {{t|Continue Nav}}. Comments on format? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 19:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) | Implemented into the {{t|Continue Nav}}. Comments on format? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 19:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
== Rename {{ | == Rename <nowiki>{{All Game Nav}}</nowiki> == | ||
What does ''All Game Nav'' mean? It's somewhat minor, and a change can be handled with a simple redirect (and a bot to '''slowly''' change the links). Perhaps something like ''Header Nav'' (match with Footer Nav) or ''Top Nav'' (I like this one, nice and short). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2007 (CDT) | What does ''All Game Nav'' mean? It's somewhat minor, and a change can be handled with a simple redirect (and a bot to '''slowly''' change the links). Perhaps something like ''Header Nav'' (match with Footer Nav) or ''Top Nav'' (I like this one, nice and short). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2007 (CDT) | ||
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Originally we had guide-specific navs in the form Game Name Nav. All Game Nav, therefore, was to replace these with a unified system. Yeah, renaming it and backpage sounds sensible. A legacy cat would be a good interim fix until we have a bot that can do it. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 15:53, 25 May 2007 (CDT) | Originally we had guide-specific navs in the form Game Name Nav. All Game Nav, therefore, was to replace these with a unified system. Yeah, renaming it and backpage sounds sensible. A legacy cat would be a good interim fix until we have a bot that can do it. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 15:53, 25 May 2007 (CDT) | ||
:That explains a few things ^_^. To be clear, this covers two changes: | :That explains a few things ^_^. To be clear, this covers two changes: | ||
#Move {{ | #Move <nowiki>{{All Game Nav}}</nowiki> to {{t|Header Nav}} (matches with {{t|Footer Nav}}, still open for alternate suggestions) | ||
#Change usage in {{t|Footer Nav}} from backpage/backname/customback to prevpage/prevname/customprev | #Change usage in {{t|Footer Nav}} from backpage/backname/customback to prevpage/prevname/customprev | ||
Lets say we leave this discussion up for few days (until May 29th) and if we don't have any objections we can perform the changes. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 16:22, 25 May 2007 (CDT) | Lets say we leave this discussion up for few days (until May 29th) and if we don't have any objections we can perform the changes. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 16:22, 25 May 2007 (CDT) | ||
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Check out [[Final Fantasy Chronicles]]. Note how for a compilation when you use the AGN it adds a category at the bottom called [[:Category:Guides at completion stage]] without a number. Also note that because it is a compilation page, there will never be a walkthrough or ToC, so we'll have permanent red link. Can we create a function in the nav that when switched on it labels the page as [[:Category:Compilations]], drops the guides at completion stage, and gets rid of the ToC/Walkthrough links (it'll also need to get rid of the show/hide feature or maybe place the games in the compilation as links after that jump)? Or am I making this too difficult (I'm sure there's an easy solution somewhere).--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 14:56, 2 June 2007 (CDT) | Check out [[Final Fantasy Chronicles]]. Note how for a compilation when you use the AGN it adds a category at the bottom called [[:Category:Guides at completion stage]] without a number. Also note that because it is a compilation page, there will never be a walkthrough or ToC, so we'll have permanent red link. Can we create a function in the nav that when switched on it labels the page as [[:Category:Compilations]], drops the guides at completion stage, and gets rid of the ToC/Walkthrough links (it'll also need to get rid of the show/hide feature or maybe place the games in the compilation as links after that jump)? Or am I making this too difficult (I'm sure there's an easy solution somewhere).--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 14:56, 2 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
:''Edit'': Actually, it happens any time the onepage is switched on.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 14:59, 2 June 2007 (CDT) | :''Edit'': Actually, it happens any time the onepage is switched on.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 14:59, 2 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
:This only affects {{ | :This only affects <nowiki>{{All Game Nav}}</nowiki>, {{t|Header Nav}} doesn't have this problem. I'm not sure what it is (perhaps AGN is using old/broken ParserFunctions?) but since we're moving to the new one it shouldn't be around for much longer. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 00:48, 3 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
Sorry about that. I had set up AGN as a virtual "redirect" (move AGN to HN, then had AGN pass on the parameters). I had missed passing on the parent and onepage parameters. It's fixed now. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 09:28, 3 June 2007 (CDT) | Sorry about that. I had set up AGN as a virtual "redirect" (move AGN to HN, then had AGN pass on the parameters). I had missed passing on the parent and onepage parameters. It's fixed now. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 09:28, 3 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
::That would explain why I never noticed it before now... Thanks guys.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 12:58, 4 June 2007 (CDT) | ::That would explain why I never noticed it before now... Thanks guys.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 12:58, 4 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
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: Couldn't we just stick with tagging them with {{t|cleanup}}? Pages which need subpaging are typically ones which have been imported, and they need cleaning up anyway. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 17:11, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | : Couldn't we just stick with tagging them with {{t|cleanup}}? Pages which need subpaging are typically ones which have been imported, and they need cleaning up anyway. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 17:11, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
::However, the required skill set is slightly larger. Cleanup and wikify are both inherently single page things, which anyone who understands basic wikisyntax can do. Cleanup also requires a bit of knowledge of the game (sometimes). Subpaging also needs a bit of editorial experience (where are good places to break it up), knowing how to properly lay out new pages, in addition to basic cleanup tasks. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 17:25, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | ::However, the required skill set is slightly larger. Cleanup and wikify are both inherently single page things, which anyone who understands basic wikisyntax can do. Cleanup also requires a bit of knowledge of the game (sometimes). Subpaging also needs a bit of editorial experience (where are good places to break it up), knowing how to properly lay out new pages, in addition to basic cleanup tasks. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 17:25, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::Hmm, this template could have some limited uses. However, I can also foresee this becoming an issue of contention--some editors will favor single pages versus subpages. In such instances which decision will the community support? And by this argument, we also create the need for {{Singlepage}} (which would call for subpages to be unified into a single page). If we decide to implement this template, I'm fine with that. But it does seems to further complicate the issue of keeping our wiki well organized. <span style="border: 1px solid #888; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#777;background-color:#eee;">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#777;background-color:#eee;">elon</span>]]'''</span> 18:13, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | :::Hmm, this template could have some limited uses. However, I can also foresee this becoming an issue of contention--some editors will favor single pages versus subpages. In such instances which decision will the community support? And by this argument, we also create the need for <nowiki>{{Singlepage}}</nowiki> (which would call for subpages to be unified into a single page). If we decide to implement this template, I'm fine with that. But it does seems to further complicate the issue of keeping our wiki well organized. <span style="border: 1px solid #888; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|<span style="color:#777;background-color:#eee;">ech</span>]][[User_talk:Echelon|<span style="color:#777;background-color:#eee;">elon</span>]]'''</span> 18:13, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
::::I doubt we would ever go from a multipage to a singlepage guide. If that does happen, it'll most likely be from a discussion by people maintaining the specific guide, and they should base their decision on consensus (this should be a guide specific discussion, not community discussion). And we already have the [[Template:mergeto|single page template]]. Actually one page I noticed that would fall under his merge thing would be [[Need for Speed: Carbon/Cars]], but that's besides the point. This should mainly be used along with [[Special:Longpages]], and it should spawn a discussion if there are any problems. Actually, I was planning on using this as I was going through some of the main pages with my bot, but now that I'm done those, the use of this template may become somewhat limited. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 18:29, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | ::::I doubt we would ever go from a multipage to a singlepage guide. If that does happen, it'll most likely be from a discussion by people maintaining the specific guide, and they should base their decision on consensus (this should be a guide specific discussion, not community discussion). And we already have the [[Template:mergeto|single page template]]. Actually one page I noticed that would fall under his merge thing would be [[Need for Speed: Carbon/Cars]], but that's besides the point. This should mainly be used along with [[Special:Longpages]], and it should spawn a discussion if there are any problems. Actually, I was planning on using this as I was going through some of the main pages with my bot, but now that I'm done those, the use of this template may become somewhat limited. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 18:29, 24 June 2007 (CDT) | ||
:::::My thought is that we should try to keep things simple. The more templates we add, the more complex things become and that can turn some people away... So unless it's really necessary (i.e. it becomes a big deal later on and "cleanup" just won't cut it) then we can create it. For now, it's not much of a problem.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 10:31, 25 June 2007 (CDT) | :::::My thought is that we should try to keep things simple. The more templates we add, the more complex things become and that can turn some people away... So unless it's really necessary (i.e. it becomes a big deal later on and "cleanup" just won't cut it) then we can create it. For now, it's not much of a problem.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 10:31, 25 June 2007 (CDT) | ||