Etymology of an arbitrary name
I've been opposed to this statement, although it doesn't really matter. You may or may not have paid attention its content, but what do you think? --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 07:03, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- I have no idea what the poster is talking about, so I can't comment on whether it's legit or not. If "Boylover" is notable for having invented a move, then I guess it's all right, although even if it is, it seems unnecessary. It seems like mentioning Billy Mitchell in a King Kong article or something. I figured since you've been reverting it you may know something about the game. — najzereT 07:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Reflex.
Well I've setup this game for the Wii but I still couldn't figure out a solution, because of the name change, the content is almost the same with Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare with minor changes to it. I've already mentioned the titles, with or without semicolons and I doubt it would work the same if you move or merge it which I will think over. If you have a solution, give it a try and see if it works. Johnnyauau2000 09:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
- I transcluded the Table of Contents for now, but I'm pretty sure we can get rid of the Reflex page and just note that as the name that's used on the Wii version on the Modern Warfare page. — najzereT 09:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
- Good idea. I would get a boxart image but that would be watermarked. Instead I'll clear the way for the Wii controls to be integrated into the pages already made by editors before I came along. Johnnyauau2000 09:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Main page story sections
Since when has the story section been deprecated? I don't remember the discussion. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 08:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think there was a discussion. It's one of those creeping changes that insinuates itself throughout the wiki over time. The front page section headings are mainly found on the older guides and I don't think even Procyon uses them much anymore, although his main pages don't seem to follow any set pattern. — najzereT 16:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Just because Procyon fails to follow a standard doesn't mean we should follow him. This isn't something that just goes away; we debated upon the main page layout for like two months. It's important that we remain the same way. The only person that I've seen remove the story sections is you, Naj. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 19:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I wasn't saying we should follow any one specific person (although Procyon probably creates 85% of the main pages around here), but rather update the guide to reflect the newest standards in use throughout the wiki. Of course I'm the only one that removes them – I'm the only one doing a lot of cleanup tasks. I'm not the only one that doesn't use them when creating a main page however, which is the point. Just like tons of other things I've had to update in the guide, story headings seem to be a legacy from several years ago. — najzereT 19:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that things have changed (e.g. gameplay information is sometimes included below the continue nav), but the fact is, if a story section is on the main page, then a header is required for organization's sake. Just like a block of text in a walkthrough, the main page is laid out to be clearly separated. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 19:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- It's certainly not a fact that headings are required for organization's sake, since plenty of guides are doing quite well without the headings. Using them is simply for standardization's sake, and that's respectable enough, except that the standards have changed. In the past when new guidelines have evolved, we've updated the guide to reflect that, and I don't see why this one should be any different. — najzereT 20:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I think this change occurred because of our awareness of the negative effect of white space. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 20:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, think of how much whitespace we'll be getting rid of if we can get Prod to let us have the collapsible infobox fields! — najzereT 20:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah I think it's important for some games. The issue with the headers is that it they don't always line up efficiently with the infobox. I think we should have a more formal voting process for small issues like these that don't require bureaucrat privileges to put in place. Procyon suggested {{VfD}}. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 21:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hey, think of how much whitespace we'll be getting rid of if we can get Prod to let us have the collapsible infobox fields! — najzereT 20:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I think this change occurred because of our awareness of the negative effect of white space. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 20:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- It's certainly not a fact that headings are required for organization's sake, since plenty of guides are doing quite well without the headings. Using them is simply for standardization's sake, and that's respectable enough, except that the standards have changed. In the past when new guidelines have evolved, we've updated the guide to reflect that, and I don't see why this one should be any different. — najzereT 20:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that things have changed (e.g. gameplay information is sometimes included below the continue nav), but the fact is, if a story section is on the main page, then a header is required for organization's sake. Just like a block of text in a walkthrough, the main page is laid out to be clearly separated. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 19:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- I wasn't saying we should follow any one specific person (although Procyon probably creates 85% of the main pages around here), but rather update the guide to reflect the newest standards in use throughout the wiki. Of course I'm the only one that removes them – I'm the only one doing a lot of cleanup tasks. I'm not the only one that doesn't use them when creating a main page however, which is the point. Just like tons of other things I've had to update in the guide, story headings seem to be a legacy from several years ago. — najzereT 19:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- Just because Procyon fails to follow a standard doesn't mean we should follow him. This isn't something that just goes away; we debated upon the main page layout for like two months. It's important that we remain the same way. The only person that I've seen remove the story sections is you, Naj. --Notmyhandle (talk • contribs) 19:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
From what I remember, there was never a discussion about whether or not a heading was required. However, Story sections are allowed on the main page, as long as they don't go into too much detail and become spoilers. They can also be on the walkthrough page as an introduction to the guide. -- Prod (Talk) 01:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
GTA: San Andreas
Hello there, just thought I'd pop in and say thanks for the copyediting of my inclusions. I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes in a hurry; reading it all on a tiny netbook doesn't help my case either ;) Cheers, Scoo 21:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, thank you – you're doing the hard work of writing guide content. Keep up the good work! :) — najzereT 01:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Template:~t
Thoughts? Also, I think Template:Assassin's Creed/vic should be moved to Template:Assassin's Creed/Vic since that's generally the format we follow for subpages. -- Prod (Talk) 21:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
- Eh, I don't think anyone will really use it that much. It's more natural to make a template at Template:Ac vic.It's also less than ideal to have to put in "2=name=Bob" for named parameters. This would be good if we tried to enforce a guide-specific template standardization where all templates had to be subpaged off the game's name, though. — najzereT 22:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Meeting topics
I remember you had a few topics you wanted to discuss at the end of the previous meeting. Please start forum threads on them, and reply to the meeting thread with a link to that topic. -- Prod (Talk) 20:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
RoboDestroyer
Just FYI, I was trying to show him how to upload images and whatnot via IRC. Thanks for deleting them though, but I think you might have made him feel a little bad with your messages on his talk page. XP --Arrow Windwhistler (talk) 23:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Image move
Hi, would you be able to move File:Modern-Warfare-2-Multiplayer-Map-Favela.jpg to File:CoD MW2 Map Favela.jpg (or something similar)? Will help to keep things organised. Thanks JordanH 21:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- Done. — najzereT 22:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- I noticed that we won't be able to use that map for copyright reasons - but I've found some of the overhead maps used in-game which people extracted from the PC version. They aren't that big, most are just 512x512, but would we be able to use them without legal issues? I guess it wouldn't be hard to annotate the maps with some of the detail from the strategy guide. JordanH 23:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- Sure, anything you can find from in-game screens is fine, and we're not too particular about only using small resolutions either. The only thing we should be careful about, is if the images have already been marked up at all. If the images you're talking about already have locations tagged on them by someone, for instance, then our fair use wouldn't apply. The screengrab itself can be used under fair use, but any work someone's done on top of it can't. Hope that helps! — najzereT 23:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- One thing I'm not sure about, if I take an in-game image under fair use and make annotations to that image myself, would the modified image still be able to be licenced under fair use? JordanH 23:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- Basically we're talking about two separate licenses. The source image is copyrighted to the developers/publishers of the game and can only be used with permission or under fair use. Your contributions on top of it are licensed under whatever you release it as. If you upload it here, you're agreeing to release it under our CC-BY-SA license (like everything else on the wiki). As far as anyone else is concerned, if they want to use your image after you've uploaded here, they would need to claim fair use for the underlying image, and comply with our CC-BY-SA license for the added portion. — najzereT 23:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- One thing I'm not sure about, if I take an in-game image under fair use and make annotations to that image myself, would the modified image still be able to be licenced under fair use? JordanH 23:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- Sure, anything you can find from in-game screens is fine, and we're not too particular about only using small resolutions either. The only thing we should be careful about, is if the images have already been marked up at all. If the images you're talking about already have locations tagged on them by someone, for instance, then our fair use wouldn't apply. The screengrab itself can be used under fair use, but any work someone's done on top of it can't. Hope that helps! — najzereT 23:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- I noticed that we won't be able to use that map for copyright reasons - but I've found some of the overhead maps used in-game which people extracted from the PC version. They aren't that big, most are just 512x512, but would we be able to use them without legal issues? I guess it wouldn't be hard to annotate the maps with some of the detail from the strategy guide. JordanH 23:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Deus Ex
If tidying wiki was a martial art - you'd be a dangerous man! - (Trevman 21:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC))
- Heh, thanks! Actually I'm glad to see you're working on Deus Ex, as it's my favorite game. :) I'm a big fan of Hitman: Blood Money too, and there's so much to do for both guides. I don't know if you're into speedruns at all, but the Deus Ex one is awesome and Blood Money is pretty good too. Cheers, — najzereT 21:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)