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The method I employ in most cases is to take the 1:1 sprite, scale it to 200% with no filtering, and then scale it 200% once again with linear filtering, just to smooth out the edges a bit. This results in an image that is large enough for our readers to see and instantly understand which enemy we are referencing. That is the goal and the priority. Images are not useful to readers if they have to jump through hoops like zooming in just to make them out. People are viewing Strategy Wiki through devices that have substantially greater resolution than many of the games which they are reading about, originally presented with. For their benefit, we have to take that into account. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 15:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC) | The method I employ in most cases is to take the 1:1 sprite, scale it to 200% with no filtering, and then scale it 200% once again with linear filtering, just to smooth out the edges a bit. This results in an image that is large enough for our readers to see and instantly understand which enemy we are referencing. That is the goal and the priority. Images are not useful to readers if they have to jump through hoops like zooming in just to make them out. People are viewing Strategy Wiki through devices that have substantially greater resolution than many of the games which they are reading about, originally presented with. For their benefit, we have to take that into account. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 15:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC) | ||
::Thank you for your input. I would have to disagree with parts of what you said, however. If the sprites used were relatively similar to what is found in the game, such as perhaps just being the wrong color, I would have not cared as much about the changes at play, however the sprites being used are absolutely not remotely similar to what would be found or expected in gameplay, and hence I couldn't feel good about leaving them as is. For many enemies it may have been acceptable but in many circumstances I feel like it was not representative of what would be encountered. Fortunately, there is now an acceptable solution to the issue with the class=pixelart to allow a drastically larger size for readability while still using authentic images to represent how enemies appear in the game. The previously used sprites do not bear resemblance to what appears in-game. | |||
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::While [[File:SML Goombo Sprite.png]] is far too small for reading normally, and [[File:SML Goombo Sprite.png|32px]] is too blurry, [[File:SML Goombo Sprite.png|32px|class=pixelart]] allows for a good upscaling and still understanding what is encountered. I think this a more appropriate solution. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 18:03, 10 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::I genuinely don't understand your position. How is [[File:SML Enemy Chibibo.gif]] so drastically dissimilar from [[File:SML Goombo Sprite.png|32px|class=pixelart]] that you can honestly make the claim that the first is "''absolutely not remotely similar to what would be found or expected in gameplay''"? They are literally the same arrangement of pixels. The only difference is the palette being used to represent them. If that is the basis on which your entire argument is based, I'll remind that the Game Boy contained '''no actual palette data'''. One could just as easily argue that your presentation of the Goombo is wrong because on the Game Boy he or she used, they look green and not black. | |||
:::If you want to have an honest good-faith debate with me, avoid hyperbole. Because on it's face, the assertion that the original sprites are "''absolutely not remotely similar to what would be found or expected in gameplay''" is absurd. If you instead made the claim that they are presented with a palette that is less accurate to what one might expect, I might actually concede that you have a point, and agree to work with you on a compromise. But taking an almost religious stance about the matter will win you no points with me. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 21:57, 10 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::Very well. While the palette of the currently used sprites are entirely greyscale, in no instance through gameplay on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGLmpjWTTnI the original GameBoy] or [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9So0Ms3ts4 The 3DS re-release] do the sprites appear to use any palette form less than the darkest possible form. If I recall correctly, the GameBoy registers only four types of colors, for simplicity I would indicate as Black, Dark Gray, Light Gray, and White. While both versions contain these four-layered palatting, there is not a substantial difference in color from the black and dark gray used in the old sprite renditions and does not provide the same type of contrast as the newer versions. Furthermore, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e4Qgl2e_T0 throughout the entire game, as far as I am able to tell] there is not a single instance where this form of greyscale only palette is easily seen. All enemies, especially larger enemies like Yurarin Boo, King Totomesu, and Ganchan, will extensively stand out amongst their background due to the higher contrast. The same cannot be assumed of the old sprites with a less contrasted and brighter palette. Henceforth, since the old sprites would not be as easily recognizable when playing due to their extended contrast to the background of the gameplay, I do not find these sprites representative of what would be encountered. While in isolation they are somewhat visually similar, this is hindered by how they appear in contrast to the green or white backgrounds they would be found on in-game. Furthermore, because of the lack of contrast, certain enemies or details become drastically lost in the older sprites, especially for mostly black items. Batadon also does not appear to be colored correctly but I cannot be sure. | |||
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:::::Sorry for the delayed response! My apartment complex had a small fire as soon as you messaged me, lmao. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 22:36, 10 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::It's taken me a while to get back to you because it takes a considerable amount of time to patrol the number of edits that you've been making to the site lately. I'm having a tough time keeping up with it. I will never back a strict 100% insistence on 1:1 sprite renders for illustration purposes. We've been running with enlarged/modified/enhanced sprites on the site for over a decade, and in truth, I think readers quite like them. So I see no need to replace much of what we have with smaller instances for the sole sake of purity. As long as {{user|Prod}} indicates that the pixelart class is working and rendering correctly across multiple platforms (I believe he mentioned that Firefox on Android still wasn't displaying properly), I am fine going that route with updated SML sprites. I still don't think the black should be pure (0,0,0) black, but at this point there are a lot more important issues to deal with than to draw a line in the sand on this point and refuse to budge. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Image file sizes == | |||
Trig, a 13kb file isn't going to kill us. If it was over a meg, I'd be concerned, but going from 13kb to 5kb isn't actually saving us anything. Thanks to your update, we are now storing a total of 18kb since MediaWiki maintains the history of every upload, so if anything, our storage consumption went up, not down. Please don't inform users to monitor the size of their uploads. I'm happy someone is uploading images at all. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 20:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Smart apostrophes == | |||
Why are we adding redirects for titles with apostrophes? The search function should be able to fuzzy match a smart apostrophe to a regular apostrophe. Are these needed? '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 01:20, 22 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
:Update: I saw that portion of your clean up page (and heard from Prod). I guess it makes sense. Not clear on why it makes such a big difference to Google, but Google does whatever it wants so... I guess it goes on. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 01:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Shockingly, the MediaWiki search function does not understand smart punctuation. Since a majority of mobile devices and apple products in general use smart punctuation--most people not even realizing it--and it needs to be manually changed off to use normal apostrophes, it becomes a difficult thing to manage. It's wacky. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 02:12, 22 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Bomberman released in 1994 == | |||
Yeah, they're basically the same root game, with a few difference here and there, but enough in common to be considered a single guide. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 21:12, 25 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
::Smells like a lot of stuff is to get moving then, at least for links. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 22:00, 25 September 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Rollback == | |||
You can stop complaining about how long it's taken to resolve your request. I just granted you Rollback status. | |||
🎉 😒 '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 03:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Re: BSP == | |||
From what I recall of that guide, I took all the images myself. [[User:Arrow|Arrow]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 05:38, 7 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Image sources == | |||
Most of the time when I would write up a guide for a game, I'd actively be playing that game in an emulator, and I'd take the appropriate screenshots as I was playing along. Like, "oh, hey, this would be a good for illustration purposes in the guide," and I'd capture the screen. So a huge ton of screenshots you find uploaded by me are original content. If I've taken them from other sites, it's so long now in the past, I don't remember the sources. Sometimes they were from Japanese GeoCities sites that I'd have to find on archive.org or something. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 01:41, 27 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Oh that, no I was just fixing a link that had moved from its original source. All of those are still normally being attributed to you! Sorry, should have clarified that change! [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 14:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
== USA SNES scans == | |||
This may help you on your quest: https://archive.org/details/near-snes-scans-png | |||
Click "show all" on the side and you can browse through them. -[[User:BrownDerby|BrownDerby]] ([[User talk:BrownDerby|talk]]) 03:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
::If I could I would be happy dancing. Much thanks! This especially helps given that Cover Project appears to have shut down :( [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 03:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
==Poke Pic Template== | |||
Yo, Trig. | |||
For some reason, when I try to use the Poke Pic template for pictures of Generation VI Pokemon, it doesn't actually work, it just shows a red link. Could you fix this, please? {{unsigned|Demon Pikachu}} | |||
::Well I have absolutely no real standing on pokemon guides or anything to do with them so I have no idea why you came to me about it, but the easiest answer is that we don't have any pictures of any pokemon gen 5 and above on that template. seriously. you'll have to upload everything using the filename structure that template uses if you want to use PokePic. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 21:18, 3 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
: The main reason I came to you is because I don't wanna screw up the Poke Pic template by doing something wrong, and in turn screwing up all the Pokémon guides. 😈[[User:Demon Pikachu|<span style="color:#9d0c0c;">Demon </span>]][[User talk:Demon Pikachu|<span style="color:red;">Pikachu</span>]]😈 14:29, 4 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Thank you == | |||
Thank you for cleaning up my embarrassingly rookie mistake with the wrong slash in the Star Parodier ToC. I appreciate you cleaning up the mess I caused. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 20:02, 22 October 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Congratulations == | |||
Thank you for editing the requests page, it made me realize that your request had stalled. There are no objections, and I am in full support, so congratulations on being promoted to site administrator. Thank you so much for your help and dedication to the site. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 17:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Much thanks! Hope to continue helping out. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 17:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
== mediawiki farm == | |||
*Hi,i from in taiwan, please this is free mediawiki farm?--[[User:Msnhinet8|Msnhinet8]] ([[User talk:Msnhinet8|talk]]) 11:54, 12 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
::Hello. This isn't really my thing that I am knowledgable about. I would suggest joining our [https://discord.com/invite/pYghWh3 Discord] and asking there. [[User:Trig Jegman|Trig]] - 15:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC) | |||