StrategyWiki talk:Community Portal/2007/July: Difference between revisions

==Date categories==

: We used to categorise by all dates, but then it was decided that we'd '''categorise by the earliest date only''', so that's what you should do. :-) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 10:07, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

::I think that policy decision should be added to [[StrategyWiki:Guide/Categorization] for future reference. I would do it myself but I don't know enough about it. [[User:Pelago|Pelago]] 16:18, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

==Sums==

:1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10={{#expr:1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10}}. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 14:12, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

== Template parameter consistency ==

:::::I meant the icons themselves, like PS2, PS3, PSP, and GBA were diagonal so that they could fit without taking up too much room. However, they would look better as horizontal, even if they take up an extra 4-8 pixels in the process. --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 12:20, 8 August 2007 (CDT)

: I've gone ahead and pushed the WIP onto the main page, due to the support. The icons can be de-diagonalised at somebody's leisure. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 17:02, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

:::Well, that gives you two really good options then (and one so-so option). Option 1, turn on your javascript. Option 2, get Firefox (and don't tell me that it keeps crashing, try re-installing it if it does). Option 3, get IE7. Also, how do the icons look "absolulutely terrible"? Is it because of the transparency? If so, consider options 2 and 3 and forget about 1. If you just grumble that you don't like it and don't specify why, we won't be able to improve it. --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 08:24, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

:::There's nothing we can do about the icons without JavaScript turned on. I don't actually have a copy of IE6 (anywhere) to test, but I'll boot into Windows (ugh) in a minute and give it a try in IE7. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 09:08, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

:Probably not, as that is all cellpadding. --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 19:53, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

:: I don't think there is; the typical way of doing such things involves putting the image inside the same link element as the text, and from my experiments just now, that's not possible without using plain HTML, and MediaWiki won't allow <nowiki><a></nowiki> elements. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 04:16, 11 August 2007 (CDT)

:::: That's a nasty solution, and I'm not going to let it happen. *nods* --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 04:38, 12 August 2007 (CDT)

We have now reached 1337 guides!  We are officially 1337! -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 11:49, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

::Correct, created at 11:28, 2 July 2007 by [[User:Vikrant AP|Vikrant AP]]. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 12:02, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Hah, you beat me to it! :P Oh well:<br />

There are a ton of pages in the [[:Category:Deprecated templates|deprecated templates category]] that really don't belong there.  I think it may have happened during the transition to the HN from the AGN...  Any easy fix to this?--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 14:40, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

::They were put there since the AGN is deprecated.  It'll be empty again in a few weeks (or at least mostly).  If you want a list of non AGN related pages, I can give that to you. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 15:00, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

::I'm mostly interested in Blizzard and Nintendo stuff.  But anything really innovative is definitely on my list as well.  Whatever happend to that game... [[Spores]] was it?  Where you like, create a custom creature, it evolves over time, then eventually you like, duke it out with other tribes and stuff...  --[[User:Notmyhandle|Notmyhandle]] ([[User talk:Notmyhandle|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Notmyhandle|contribs]]) 21:39, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::It's [[Spore]]. The hype for it is so huge that I'm wondering if it's going to be the next [[Fable]] or [[Daikatana]]; they weren't terrible, but they were only a shadow of all that was promised. Anyway, it's going to be interesting to see how it turns out. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 23:37, 4 July 2007 (CDT)

:::::I don't think Spore is real likely to flop...  It is being created by Will Wright, who has a history of coming up with really awesome games (SimCity series, The Sims, etc).--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font>]][[User_talk:Dukeruckley|<font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]''' 09:24, 6 July 2007 (CDT)

-[[User:Pyro maniac|Pyro maniac]] 13:02, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

: It can take some time for people to start writing strategy guides after getting a new system like a PS3, and we don't have many contributors for the PS3, so as you say we haven't got many PS3 guides. It's good to hear you're planning to write one (just make sure it's not a copyright violation ;-), and feel free to ask any questions here in community issues. :-) --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 13:08, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

== Release dates ==

I've just found [http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/basic/basic04.html this page], and despite providing more content for [[SSBB|the guide]], it raises an interesting question: how are we to represent Wiimote movements in controls pages? We can represent the common ones easily enough, but then you get games like [[WarioWare: Smooth Moves]] which use the controller to its full extent, and it gets harder. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 15:00, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

::Animated SVGs are not an option because of poor browser support (see [[wp:SVG animation]]) and the necessity of yet another MediaWiki extension to get around them being automatically rendered into PNG (and thus unable to be manipulated by scripts).

::Since many Wii games don't use the Z axis to its full effect (and thus have controls comparable to a mouse or analog stick) it should be quite possible to come up with a standard set of movements (like {{t|cade}}) and simply combine the instructions (like the [[:Category:Move lists|Move lists]]) rather than make individual animations for each individual game action. It shouldn't be too difficult to decide upon some standard and clearly different colours for each axis (as with [[wp:Image:Flight dynamics.jpg]]). [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 23:47, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

==System messages==

:Fixed. The page that controls the link was [[MediaWiki:Aboutpage]], by the way. --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 10:08, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

==Stats==

After finding out that page-specific js is nonexistant, I would like to request that the ability to make wiki tabs (code [http://mtg.wikia.com/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js here], example [http://mtg.wikia.com/wiki/MTG_Wiki:Sandbox here]) to be put into [[MediaWiki:Common.js]]. This can be particularly useful with long lists of pages (like [[The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess/Enemies]]), so that instead of having either a very large page or 3-5 sub-pages, you can just hide the content until they want to have it shown. It works with images as well, and it can be used multiple times on one page (as demonstrated in the example). --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 14:00, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

::No, the current code won't allow that. The only current way to do it is to put noinclude tags around the divs and then include that page into another page. --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 14:18, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

==Compression==

: Why do we worry about compression? Most of the time we use thumbnails to present these images anyway. I think it's kind of cool that we have a large collection of high-quality game-related imagery. I'd like us to build galleries in the future! <span style="border: 1px solid #888; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|echelon]]_{[[User_talk:Echelon|talk]]}'''</span> 18:18, 8 July 2007 (CDT)

::I think Rocky was meaning lossless solutions like PNGcrush. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]^{[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]} 00:43, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

: I've just reverted that image, as it did lose too much quality, and as echelon says, we've got the space, and almost all of the time people just see a thumbnail. If they want to see a larger version, then it's their choice to download it. I'd be fine with lossless solutions though (although they'd be better if they weren't run by us and uploaded as new versions of files, as that just takes up more space on the server unnecessarily). --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 13:21, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

:::: I mind. I think it's a good thing to have a repository of box artwork, and it's not hurting for all the reasons above. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 15:07, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

::::Yeah don't worry about it. --[[User:Notmyhandle|Notmyhandle]] ([[User talk:Notmyhandle|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Notmyhandle|contribs]]) 15:11, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

::::::My impression is that if they are going to care about a screenshot, it's not going to matter the resolution.  --[[User:Notmyhandle|Notmyhandle]] ([[User talk:Notmyhandle|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Notmyhandle|contribs]]) 15:22, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

: I have to agree with DrBob. I like our high-res collection of images. Since images appear on-page as thumbnails, the end user is not at all affected by resolution. However, if they would like a quality version of the original we are able to provide them with that. I think we should aim to keep the best quality images (within reason) available on our server. I think we'll scale to handle it all. <span style="border: 1px solid #888; padding: 1px">'''[[User:Echelon|echelon]]_{[[User_talk:Echelon|talk]]}'''</span> 21:35, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

==Image too big==

:I don't know the answer to your question Rocky, but I'm just curious: why on earth do you want to upload an image that is so huge? [[User:Procyon|Procyon]] ([[User talk:Procyon|Talk]]) 12:19, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

: It would help if you posted the actual error message. :-P --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 13:00, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

::Dunno about Firefox but it comes up with the default IE6 "Cannot find server or DNS Error" error.

:::The browser might be timing out because the image is so huge. Seriously, why do you need an image that big? It's 1565x2236! --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 14:23, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

::::: We can use box artwork which is bigger than 250px for stuff, but something that large is going to have to be downsized whatever you use it for. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 16:44, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

:That image is 1.66 MB.  Try to stay below 1 MB, though the cap is at 1.5MB. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]])

:Don't forget about class="wikitable", but yeah, I think that would be a good idea. I think it should focus more on what is commonly used (wikitable and prettytable), not every aspect of a table. We ''could'' have a group of pages in like StrategyWiki:Guide/Advanced/ for more advanced techniques for those who want to learn more than the basic stuff. --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig}} 09:41, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

::The guide is supposed to be a replacement for the Help namespace on WP.  We should have all this stuff explained within the guide, it just doesn't have to all be in the same place. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 13:43, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:::: Sounds like a plan. I'll try and do it tomorrow. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 18:35, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

:: {{t|prettytable}} is a wrapper for wikitable, so wikitable on its own is basically deprecated. --[[User:DrBob|DrBob]] ([[User_talk:DrBob|Talk]]) 18:35, 12 July 2007 (CDT)