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== Fable 2 ==
== Etymology of an arbitrary name ==
Cheers dude :) was just adding all this stuff on fable 2, thanks for cleaning it up for me :). {{unsigned|Waltonaaron}}
:No problem, that's what I do. :D You're adding pages rather quickly, are they coming from a guide you already had written? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Well I had been using this site for mount and blade, and I had been looking through various sites with guides and things and thought.. hey might as well collate them altogether, rather than having all these good seperate guides on seperate sites :) {{unsigned|Waltonaaron}}
:Hey, as long as you're not directly copying anything, I think that's great. Thanks for helping out! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Just a quick question, I have a walkthrough guide.. and its split into like chapters, how should I do this? On the contents page I want it to show all the chapters, not just one huge long walkthrough.. cheers :) {{unsigned|Waltonaaron}}
:Just add links to each chapter under the "Walkthrough" section of the ToC like you've done in the Appendices section. If there are in-game names you can use instead of just "Chapter #", that would be preferred. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


== Small Edits ==
I've been opposed to [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=GunZ_The_Duel/Korean-Style_and_Advanced_Techniques&curid=19505&diff=442563&oldid=442424 this statement], although it doesn't really matter. You may or may not have paid attention its content, but what do you think? --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 07:03, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad you told me it was getting bad. I have noticed I keep making tiny edits. I'm just making sure that each piece comes together correctly. I usually do just a little work to build up on what I've done. I don't want to risk losing it in a big edit, but if you prefer it like that, I'll try and make it easier. This is my first major guide project, and I haven't done much
:I have no idea what the poster is talking about, so I can't comment on whether it's legit or not. If "Boylover" is notable for having invented a move, then I guess it's all right, although even if it is, it seems unnecessary. It seems like mentioning Billy Mitchell in a King Kong article or something. I figured since you've been reverting it you may know something about the game. [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:07, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
else this big in the time I've been here. It just takes a while to adjust. After all, I find it hard to tell mistakes in bigger edits. I wont go crazy on minor edits. --'''[[User:Superpowered Mario||<font color="Silver">Superpowered</font>]] [[User:Superpowered Mario|<span style="color:#000090">Mario</span>]]''' 19:52, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
:Great, thanks for trying to cut down on the small edits. You can also try saving your work to a text file if you're not done, then copy/pasting it back in the next day and continuing where you left off. I've done that on a couple pages I've worked on. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


== Mario Power Tennis. ==
== Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Reflex. ==


Oh man I don't know how to say this but I'm really having trouble with the main page. I could use some help with fixing up the Table of Contents and the templates getting all mixed up. So if you have some time, hopefully I won't go further into trouble. Also the boxart I tried is a low resolution and pretty freaky for me to put in so I add a comment for someone to take it out. So maybe you can find a boxart in high resolution and less scary shall I say. Thanks. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 11:17, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Well I've setup this game for the Wii but I still couldn't figure out a solution, because of the name change, the content is almost the same with Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare with minor changes to it. I've already mentioned the titles, with or without semicolons and I doubt it would work the same if you move or merge it which I will think over. If you have a solution, give it a try and see if it works. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 09:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:I transcluded the Table of Contents for now, but I'm pretty sure we can get rid of the Reflex page and just note that as the name that's used on the Wii version on the Modern Warfare page. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 09:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
:Good idea. I would get a boxart image but that would be watermarked. Instead I'll clear the way for the Wii controls to be integrated into the pages already made by editors before I came along. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 09:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


== Deleting a picture ==
== Main page story sections ==


Hi Najzere,
Since when has the story section been deprecated? I don't remember the discussion. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 08:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think there ''was'' a discussion. It's one of those creeping changes that insinuates itself throughout the wiki over time. The front page section headings are mainly found on the older guides and I don't think even Procyon uses them much anymore, although his main pages don't seem to follow any set pattern. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
::Just because Procyon fails to follow a standard doesn't mean we should follow him. This isn't something that just goes away; we debated upon the main page layout for like two months. It's important that we remain the same way. The only person that I've seen remove the story sections is you, Naj. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 19:05, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
:::I wasn't saying we should follow any one specific person (although Procyon probably creates 85% of the main pages around here), but rather update the guide to reflect the newest standards in use throughout the wiki. Of course I'm the only one that ''removes'' them – I'm the only one doing a lot of cleanup tasks. I'm not the only one that doesn't use them when creating a main page however, which is the point. Just like tons of other things I've had to update in the guide, story headings seem to be a legacy from several years ago. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:20, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree that things have changed (e.g. gameplay information is sometimes included below the continue nav), but the fact is, if a story section is on the main page, then a header is required for organization's sake. Just like a block of text in a walkthrough, the main page is laid out to be clearly separated. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 19:51, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's certainly not a '''fact''' that headings are '''required''' for organization's sake, since plenty of guides are doing quite well without the headings. Using them is simply for standardization's sake, and that's respectable enough, except that the standards have changed. In the past when new guidelines have evolved, we've updated the guide to reflect that, and I don't see why this one should be any different. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:01, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think this change occurred because of our awareness of the negative effect of white space. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 20:49, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Hey, think of how much whitespace we'll be getting rid of if we can get Prod to let us have the collapsible infobox fields! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:56, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah I think it's important for some games. The issue with the headers is that it they don't always line up efficiently with the infobox. I think we should have a more formal voting process for small issues like these that don't require bureaucrat privileges to put in place. Procyon suggested {{t|VfD}}. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 21:30, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
From what I remember, there was never a discussion about whether or not a heading was required.  However, Story sections are allowed on the main page, as long as they don't go into too much detail and become spoilers.  They can also be on the walkthrough page as an introduction to the guide. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 01:11, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


You already helped me in the past with my guide on [[Voyage Century]] and I have one more question for you. How do I delete a picture from Stategy Wiki? This is the picture I want to delete : [[File:Tomb_Raider_Leader.jpg]]. The problem is because I didn't had the right name when I uploaded it and I want to use this one : [[File:Tomb_Raider_Leader_VCO.jpg]].
==GTA: San Andreas==
Hello there, just thought I'd pop in and say thanks for the copyediting of my inclusions. I'm not a native English speaker and sometimes in a hurry; reading it all on a tiny netbook doesn't help my case either ;) Cheers, [[User:Scoo|Scoo]] 21:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, thank ''you'' – you're doing the hard work of writing guide content. Keep up the good work! :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


I hope you can help me. Thx [[User:DJ K-Jtan|DJ K-Jtan]] 19:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
== Template:~t ==
:Answered on his talk page. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 19:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
::Thx for the reply I thought the abbreviation of the game was to be put at the end of the name of the file but I will put it at the beginning. Thx for the help [[User:DJ K-Jtan|DJ K-Jtan]] 16:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::No problem, keep up the great work! - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


== Images/Maps. ==
Thoughts?  Also, I think [[Template:Assassin's Creed/vic‎]] should be moved to [[Template:Assassin's Creed/Vic‎]] since that's generally the format we follow for subpages. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 21:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
:Eh, I don't think anyone will really use it that much. It's more natural to make a template at Template:Ac vic.It's also less than ideal to have to put in "2=name=Bob" for named parameters. This would be good if we tried to enforce a guide-specific template standardization where all templates had to be subpaged off the game's name, though. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)


I thought I read on the "Categories" page that an overhead view of a level was classified as a map....I think this is what's confusing me. Back on the Wiki for this game where I personally work and have practically become the owner with everything I did there, there aren't so many stipulations. [[User:Andrewb|Andrewb]] 21:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
== Meeting topics ==
:Yes, like I said, it's not that great of a distinction. Due to the fact that the entire game is played overhead, it looks like it's played on "maps", however for the purposes of our categories, it's not quite accurate. A map is a ''representation'' of a an ''actual'' area to help you understand its layout and characteristics. Maps/Screenshots really isn't a big deal here (on StrategyWiki), what I was mainly concerned with is now half your images are categorized one way and half the other. Also, once a method has been established (i.e. I categorized all your images as screenshots), it's normal to continue the same way in the future. Maps or Screenshots, it's up to you, as long as they're all categorized the same. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
==Re: BSM History==
To me, that'd be like comparing anything in a video game to its real life counterpart. I'm kind of iffy about it, although if enough support can be garnered for it I could do it. --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 00:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
:Well this particular game is based on true events, which is why you get those kind of edits. I'm not for or against a differences page, I was just suggesting something to make patrolling the guide easier for you. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


== Marking messy edits as patrolled ==
I remember you had a few topics you wanted to discuss at the end of the previous meeting.  Please start forum threads on them, and reply to the meeting thread with a link to that topic. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:02, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
:Is this required to bring up a topic at the meeting? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:21, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::It would greatly help (aka yes). --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig4}} 21:12, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
==RoboDestroyer==
Just FYI, I was trying to show him how to upload images and whatnot via IRC. Thanks for deleting them though, but I think you might have made him feel a little bad with your messages on his talk page. XP --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 23:59, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
:OH NOES someone got their feelings hurt on the internet! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:13, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


Please review edits before marking them. The majority of the edits made by the anon to [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=Metroid_Prime_Hunters/Weapons&action=history Metroid Prime Hunters] on May 22nd need cleanup. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 02:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
== Image move ==
:Okay, fixed. I mainly review for vandalism and formatting that breaks the page, and haven't been too strict on spelling in the past. I'll make sure to cleanup edits I patrol or leave them for later when I or someone else has the time to review them. Thanks, - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
::I'm guilty of the same thing...--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font><font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Dukeruckley|Talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Dukeruckley|Contribs]]</small></sup>''' 19:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


== Spelling ==
Hi, would you be able to move [[:File:Modern-Warfare-2-Multiplayer-Map-Favela.jpg]] to [[:File:CoD MW2 Map Favela.jpg]] (or something similar)? Will help to keep things organised. Thanks '''[[User:JordanH|Jordan]]'''[[User talk:JordanH|H]] 21:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:Done. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:: I noticed that we won't be able to use that map for copyright reasons - but I've found some of the overhead maps used in-game which people extracted from the PC version. They aren't that big, most are just 512x512, but would we be able to use them without legal issues? I guess it wouldn't be hard to annotate the maps with some of the detail from the strategy guide. '''[[User:JordanH|Jordan]]'''[[User talk:JordanH|H]] 23:03, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Sure, anything you can find from in-game screens is fine, and we're not too particular about only using small resolutions either. The only thing we should be careful about, is if the images have already been marked up at all. If the images you're talking about already have locations tagged on them by someone, for instance, then our fair use wouldn't apply. The screengrab itself can be used under fair use, but any work someone's done on top of it can't. Hope that helps! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:14, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
::::One thing I'm not sure about, if I take an in-game image under fair use and make annotations to that image myself, would the modified image still be able to be licenced under fair use? '''[[User:JordanH|Jordan]]'''[[User talk:JordanH|H]] 23:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
:::::Basically we're talking about two separate licenses. The source image is copyrighted to the developers/publishers of the game and can only be used with permission or under fair use. ''Your'' contributions on top of it are licensed under whatever you release it as. If you upload it here, you're agreeing to release it under our CC-BY-SA license (like everything else on the wiki). As far as anyone else is concerned, if they want to use your image after you've uploaded here, they would need to claim fair use for the underlying image, ''and'' comply with our CC-BY-SA license for the added portion. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know, I had no idea. It would be quite abnormal for me not to stumble upon this from time to time so I really appreciate being corrected on it. --[[User:Zaiqukaj|Zaiqukaj]] 07:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
== Deus Ex ==


== Re: Page move ==
If tidying wiki was a martial art - you'd be a dangerous man! - ([[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 21:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC))
:Heh, thanks! Actually I'm glad to see you're working on Deus Ex, as it's [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Najzere&direction=prev&oldid=323690 my favorite game]. :) I'm a big fan of Hitman: Blood Money too, and there's so much to do for both guides. I don't know if you're into speedruns at all, but the [http://speeddemosarchive.com/DeusEx.html Deus Ex one] is awesome and [http://speeddemosarchive.com/HitmanBloodMoney.html Blood Money] is pretty good too. Cheers, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)


Thanks, I'm new round here so if I'm doing anything wrong feel free to tell me (: [[User:JordanH|JordanH]] 19:10, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
== [[Vendetta/Walkthrough]] ==
:Actually your edits look really good. Keep up the great work. :) - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


== Places template ==
When tagging posts as potential copyright violations, it's traditional to inform the user about the content being located on the other site.  This allows the contributor to more quickly suggest checking the first letter of each paragraph on the GameFAQs version (starting at the Docklands) or to provide an [http://imgur.com/d1ptt image] showing that the user authored the content on the other site. --[[User:Sigma 7|Sigma 7]] 19:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
:So are you waiting for me to remove the tag since you didn't when you edited the page? o_O — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)


I don't suppose you could help me to make a places template for the [[Petz: Dogz 2 and Catz 2]] guide? It would be something like [[User:Melon247/sandbox#Places template|this]] but In a template so you don't have to write out all the headers and stuff. Can you help? {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 17:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
== Orion 1 ==
:Yeah, but if you don't have something to put in one of the cells, it will just be blank, okay? Because it would be too hard to make it able to colspan or omit whole rows in every possible case. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I am annoyed that I was blocked for 2 hours, especially after you didn't bother to e-mail me or probably even read it when I e-mailed youIt would have been easier and more effective to just e-mail your concerns and have a discussion about it. {{unsigned|Raiddinn}}
::Well I was just thinking to put "none" in there anyway so it shows you're not trying to work it out. So... um... OK ; ) {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 17:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, I rarely check my email (maybe once or twice a week), so I wouldn't expect any quick responses from me there. The preferred method of communication here is through talk pages however. The messages were being left on your talk page while you were editing, which produces a big orange box informing you of this at the top of the page, so I was hoping you would take a look at them (assuming you weren't just ignoring the messages). Anyway, as I indicated on your talk page, it was more to get your attention than anything else, so in the future you might want to just pop in check your messages real quick when you're alerted that you have new ones. Thanks for putting in the navigation templates in your latest pages, it's a big help for us. Sorry for the inconvenience! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay: {{t|Dogz area info}}. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks for making the template! ; ). Just wanted to know, how come you're not in IRC anymore? {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 16:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::No problem, let me know if you need any changes. I don't go on IRC, cause I have nothing to say. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:59, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


== Re: The Sims 3 ==
== Sorry for the trouble. ==


Hi, thanks for the heads up. I've supported the vote, but not sure whether or not I'll be getting it straight away as my computer needs a spec boost at the moment! Also, still got a lot of work to do on the Bon Voyage stuff, but I'll help where I can. :) [[User:JordanH|JordanH]] 19:25, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
I see how much I'm adding recently. It's probably just a quirk of mine that unless there's an image in a guide, the text doesn't do much. I used to try and add images to Wikipedia, and they'd crack down on them within moments, so this is just a desperate attempt at finishing the guide without going through that same fiasco. I went out of control when I saw the excessive lack of images a while back . A lot of my images I've added for looks so the gameplay doesn't feel broken or staggered. Well, that's my fault, indeed. If you had a way of notifying me which ones are decent in terms of uploading and the best of my current ones, I'll weed out the rest. As for now, I'll stop uploading with the exception of key gameplay moments that define what needs to be done (true to Strategy Wiki). Sorry to be pestering you with a redundant mistake (and wordy messages). --'''[[User:Superpowered Mario||<font color="Silver">Superpowered</font>]] [[User:Superpowered Mario|<span style="color:#000090">Mario</span>]]''' 20:24, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:Great, thanks! - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
:It sounds like you've got a good idea of which images are necessary and which aren't already. If you go through and take out the ones that are just for looks then put the {{t|delete}} template on them, an administrator can delete them for you. Thanks for your speedy reply in the matter. I'll be sure to take off the guide-wide cleanup tags when the number of images has been reduced. Thanks for your help! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
:: On [[The Sims 2: Bon Voyage/Walkthrough]], do you think it would be a good idea to split the article after the "What's New" section, as I think the second part really should be covered in more detail on another page, but leaving it in and doing a separate page would make it repetitive. What do you think? '''[[User:JordanH|Jordan]]'''[[User talk:JordanH|H]] 00:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
:::If it merits its own page, then by all means move it to a separate page. In the edit history just mention where it's being moved from so we have a reference to its history if anyone wants to see it. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


== RE: sprites ==
== Overlord ==


my apologies, I forgot, I havent really been here in a long time.
Why was the Overlord page deleted? - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 18:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Halosonic|Halosonic]] 19:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:The page at [[Overlord]] belongs to the original game. The guide you're working on was moved to [[Overlord (2007)]]. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:43, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
:No prob! :) - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't aware there was other Overlord games, but you are right - apparently there's 2 other games http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overlord. As theres 3 games with the same number, would it be worth creating a disambiguation page at "overlord" linking to "overlord (2007)" and the other 2 games?, or as there is only 1 guide at the minute setting up a redirect page? - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 19:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
:The disambiguation happens at the guide level with the {{t|game disambig}} template. You can see the links created to the other two games at the top of the [[Overlord (2007)|main game page]]. We can't put a redirect at [[Overlord]], because it should be a red link so people know it needs to be created. I'll create the original game main page later today so at least something is there. Hope that answers your question! Thanks for working on another guide, you're like a super-editor! :) [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, having a page there would stop people (like me) getting lost and confused haha. I seem to prefer putting up alot of information, rather than tidying and doing little edits to make things as they should (I feel more productive that way) - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 19:16, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


== Clasty Article ==
== Bomberman Max images ==


I appreciate the assistance. I was writing my guide, and tried to have a space where I could have some of my friends and I collaborate on it before I submitted it. I wasn't aware there was a user space that I could put it under. I'm a bit of perfectionist, and preferred to have the majority of the article written before I made any modifications to the current starter guide.  
Hey Naj.  I was thinking about the Bomberman Max images. The whole thing with those two games is that they function similarly to Pokemon R/B/Y, or S/G/C, etc., so shouldn't they get one image category?  Just my $0.02. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 16:58, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:Sure if they share a namespace. Should they be moved to '''Bomberman Max: Blue Champion and Red Challenger'''? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, that's a good point.  S7 didn't set them up in the same name space, he derived two separate front pages for each one.  I think that you're right, they ''should'' be merged, with each individual title redirecting to the merged title.  If that's not a site policy for "multiple edition" games, it probably should be.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 17:02, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Well it's how all the shared Pokémon games are set up, so there's a precedent. I've also been thinking recently about how [[Smuggler's Run 2: Hostile Territory]] and [[Smuggler's Run: Warzones]] should be set up (and other games of this nature). The first is a PS2 game and the second came out a year later for GameCube with a couple extra maps and different vehicle specs. Although I'm using the {{t|subtoc}}, one's not an expansion of the other so I don't know if that's valid. I'm not even sure that Warzones should get its own main guide page. Besides working out stuff like this, which isn't documented in the user guide, we also have a major problem with categorized redirects which aren't seen, versus the automatic (mis)categorization on the visible page. Just some other issues surrounding non-standard game releases that could use looking into. For the Bomberman Max pages, if no one objects then I'd defer to your knowledge if you say they're similar enough to merge. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:::: I would need a bit more information to determine if the games should be separate or merged.  MobyGames implies that the level sets may also different, and not knowing degree of changes in Red Challenger change makes things unclear.  In either case, it's still one game for the price of two. --[[User:Sigma 7|Sigma 7]] 17:53, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::::: Okay, there's no rush I don't think. Whatever you guys come up with, we'll just try and remember to make sure all the categories and whatnot flow logically from the ultimate decision. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


I wasn't quite sure if there was just a sandbox place that I could store it until I was ready to integrate. Am I able to keep that article there and work on it until I begin to integrate it with the main guide?
==Categorizing ports and different versions==
I'm not personally familiar enough with Smuggler's Run to make a call on that, but it almost sounds like they might benefit from a shared TOC, like the way that [[Doki Doki Panic]] and [[Super Mario Bros. 2]] do.  Again, I really don't know for sure, but in that case, both games got front pages, but one deferred to the other for the remainder of the guide, and they shared a common TOC. Now by categorized redirects, I assume you mean redirects for games that were released in one region with one name, and in another region with a different name (e.g. [[Green Beret]] and [[Rush'n Attack]] pointing to the same guide, where Rush'n Attacks gets full categories) what is your primary concern? '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 18:45, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:Green Beret/Rush'n Attack don't have a problem as they share dates and developers/publishers. To use a recent example, [[Overlord (2007)|Overlord]] was released as "Overlord: Raising Hell" on the PS3, but is also the name of the game's expansion pack. Right now there is one "Overlord" page for the game and "Overlord: Raising Hell" will be used as the expansion pack page. However, "Overlord" is categorized with all the PS3 information, as that is where {{t|rd}}s and {{t|sys}} templates for the PS3 reside. Even if we also put categories manually on the Raising Hell guide, then two Overlord games show up in the categories. Even for games with a simple categorized redirect, if you want to put any release information on the page that's being redirected to, that page gets erroneously categorized with the redirected game's categories. I suggested on the staff lounge that there be a way to opt out of having rd and sys put a category in, but nothing came of it. As it is, we lump displaying information about a game and getting the game's name into the categories together, but at times it makes sense to keep them separate. How to do so is the problem. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:26, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::I completely agree with you on this one Naj, I've known about this issue for a while.  We could add a "suppress categorization" flag on to the end of those templates... not sure how efficient that would be.  But I agree, this is a problem.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 20:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
:::That's what I was thinking, but Prod or someone else may have a more elegant solution. Maybe I'll open a topic on the staff lounge and people can throw in their ideas. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your assistance. [[User:Danr14|Danr14]] 01:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
== Dungeon Fighter Online ==
:Yes, you can do pretty much whatever you want in your userspace. That particular method of making wiki pages isn't recommended however, since it defeats the collaborative process of a wiki. People interested in working on GoonZu pages won't know to look in your userspace, which can result in missing out on other users' contributions or duplication of effort. I'm still not sure where you want to put that page, as most of the information belongs on a Getting Started page, and GoonZu Online (which is what it appears to be for) already has one. Could you please let me know which game the page is for? Thanks, - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


== Pokemon trainer template ==
Thanks for the custom link and I apologize for any errors im making in structure. I'm still getting used to how the formatting on here works. I have lots of info for the guide but I don't want it to just be blocks of info which isn't too appealing so if you could do or tell me anything that could be done to make it look better it would be greatly appriciated.


hey,
Also The information that was under Walkthrough I put so thats its also when you click on Dungeons. The information in the walkthrough had mostly to deal with Dungeons and ow they are played so I fugred it best go under that as well.  I didn;t want to take it compltely off walkthrough bcause i didn't know what eles you could put there. Anyway didnt know if it was alright or not so i'm asking. Thanks. --[[User:VampDrago13|VampDrago13]] 07:20, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
quick question, what is the template for the trainers in PRSE si i dont have to make any more "wierd formats"?
:Hey, you're doing a great job on the guide. :) As far as structure goes, we do have some formatting guidelines you can read about in our [[StrategyWiki:Guide|user guide]], but for the most part editors get to choose how they want to present their information. It's kind of hard to suggest any layout tips to make it look better when I don't know what you'll be adding, but as you go we can see if tables or templates can help spruce it up.


[[User:Halosonic|Halosonic]] 18:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:I believe the dungeon page you made was moved to the walkthrough page, as every guide is required to have a walkthrough page. The "Dungeon" links on the Table of Contents and the Custom Nav point to the walkthrough page, so hopefully that satisfies both the functional and stylistic needs of the guide. Thanks for working on the guide, and let me know if you need anything! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:31, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
:I added a documentation page to '''<nowiki>{{PKRSE trainer}}</nowiki>''' to explain how it's used. Simple lists with a left-floated image weren't working, so I put them into tables to cure their formatting issues. The template is just an easier way to accomplish that, and also to differentiate between trainers from the two different games. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 05:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I am finished getting the info for the skill statistics of mages and I tried to find a way to show it wihtout making a giant page but the skills have a lot of levels and effects. So i surfed around and found that the maplestory guide has a template that the chart can be shown or hidden. ([[http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Template:MapleStory/Skill_desc/Documentation]] I want to use it the same way as it conserves space on the page. Though I wasn't sure how to make a version for DFO. I also don't have pictures for the skills yet but still want the chart to show up without them. Also do I need the creator of the templetes permission to morph it into a version for DFO? Sorry for the question bombardment. --[[User:VampDrago13|VampDrago13]] 08:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:No you don't need anyone's permission, just note which template it's modeled after in an edit summary so the original contributor list is accessible. Personally I'd try to make a table from the data first if the skills are related to each other, as it can be sorted for easy comparison. The info in {{t|MapleStory/Skill desc}} templates isn't very useful as it just shows a progression, whereas a table displaying the relative costs and benefits of different skills can help players make skill decisions. It's up to you and it depends on the data as well. Good luck and let me know if you need any help! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 10:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
So maybe if besides just showing a table with the skill progression above it I could write some pros and cons of the skill.--[[User:VampDrago13|VampDrago13]] 07:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)


== Tag opinion ==
== Re: Pokemon PAge Creator ==


I've been conflicted on how to label this for a while. If the only cleanup remaining on a page is to convert things like '''P''' or '''U''' to the {{cade|Punch}} or {{cade|Up}} icons then would the page be tagged with <nowiki>{{wikify}}</nowiki> or <nowiki>{{needcontrols}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Zaiqukaj|Zaiqukaj]] 08:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I answered your post on [[User Talk:Drew R. Smith|my talk]]. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 23:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think {{t|needcontrols|Arcade}} would be most appropriate, as then the page would show up in the [[:Category:Pages lacking control images/Arcade|missing Arcade controls page]]. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 08:21, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
::Thanks for the input. I'm trying to get through all the wikify needing pages that are possible to fix without actually playing the game and this knowledge should be quite helpful. --[[User:Zaiqukaj|Zaiqukaj]] 08:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


== Knights of Cygnus Guide/Equipment ==
== Re: Templates ==
Answered on my talk. [[User:Drew R. Smith|Drew R. Smith]] 21:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


NGPriest has also request for his data to stay off the site<br />
== Upload template ==
He is currently helping to set up the new Hidden-Street.net database<br />
Please respect his decisions, thank you<br />
<br />
(Sorry, couldn't find the talk page before)<br />
[[Special:Contributions/60.240.195.138|60.240.195.138]] 06:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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:Any contributions to the wiki, unless copyrighted, are released under the terms of the GFDL (see the text below the edit text box when editing a page), and as such, access to it cannot be later revoked. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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So there's no way to remove data that has been posted?<br />
NGPriest is so going to be pissed at me<br />
What if he copyrights the text and i copied it? Can he remove it?<br />
[[Special:Contributions/60.240.195.138|60.240.195.138]] 06:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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:His work was copyrighted the moment he produced it, but you have to be clear about what exactly can be copyrighted. Raw data just exists, it did so before NGPriest knew of it, and as such cannot be copyrighted. What we ''cannot'' use, is a copy of his ''expression'' of that data. In other words, we can't copy/paste his work from wherever he's posting it, however, anyone is free to use the information they learn from reading that work, as long as it is presented in a unique manner. If you have concerns that we may be hosting copyrighted text, you can use the {{t|copyvio}} template on the page in question, with the source of the copyrighted material. We're very quick to check into copyright issues, as we have a zero-tolerance for plagiarism. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:58, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
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I have seen it has been edited<br />
How can i add a copyright text next time?<br />
Incase i want to post something, but still owned by the copyright owner?<br />
Is there anyway to allow the copyright owner to remove the content?<br />
If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.<br />
It says edited or redistributed, but it doesn't say it will be 100% kept on the site<br />
So is there anything that will allow the copyright owner to remove the content?<br />
Thanks<br />
Also, i did register an account, but i see that it has been deleted<br />
I used NGPriest's name/email to register<br />
[[Special:Contributions/60.240.195.138|60.240.195.138]] 06:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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Another problem is that most of the database is internal, so that it can't be viewed publicly<br />
How can NGPriest claim that he has the copyright on the data that has been posted without revealing the database site/id/pw to the public?<br />
[[Special:Contributions/60.240.195.138|60.240.195.138]] 06:58, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
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:The only username to be blocked lately was Jinnhl, but that was before you started striking edits on MapleStory. There is no way to have copyrighted material on the site. It is either agreed to be released under our license by the author, or it doesn't belong. That being said, none of the information looks copyrightable, since it's just data and it's been modified already. If you want to keep copyrighted material off the site, simply don't post it. There is no "delete it at some later point if you want to" caveat.


:As for the internal database, you can email an administrator through the StrategyWiki email system, and only that person will see the link. I'd suggest you not do so unless you see something on the wiki that has been copied ''word for word'' from your site. Even then, it's very hard to establish which came first between two sites contemporaneously building information on the same game. Unless your site's history of edits is as transparent as ours, it's unlikely you could make a case for copyright of information that you've never published. I would just drop the whole thing and stop posting on this wiki if I were you.
I appreciate your work on revising this template, but the message should start with a neutral or positive statement before telling people to change how they add images.  This is needed to make the template less aggressive.  Please ensure that the template uses an indirect approach to communicate its message. --[[User:Tathar|Tathar]] [[Image:Tathar.jpg|32px]] ([[User talk:Tathar|talk]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[Special:Contributions/Tathar|contribs]]) 01:31, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:[[Category talk:Message templates]] is where the templates' wordings are being worked out if you'd like to give it a go. {{t|Upload files}} starts with a neutral sentence, so maybe you can edit the talk page to show me what you mean. Cheers, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 11:22, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


:I'm not very confident you really understand the concept of copyrighting, but just so you know, NGPriest doesn't own any information he finds out about MapleStory, even if he is the first person to write it down. As I've said before, the information already exists whether NGPriest has identified it or not, and once someone becomes aware of it, they are free to do with it what they please. The only thing NGPriest owns is how he conveys that information. In other words, if he says "This cool sword, called The Monkey Blade, does 200 HP damage", we couldn't just copy/paste that, but it's fine for us to put "The Monkey Blade" in a table, and assign 200 HP to a corresponding damage field, even if we learned that from NGPriest. By the way, I'm not a lawyer, so feel free to research copyright law to get your own understanding of it. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 09:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
==Thanks Again==
I appreciate your welcome and help :). One question, are you the maker of the Red Alert 3 Wiki Guide?--[[User:Harrisontran|Harrisontran]] 00:42, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
:No, that guide has had a few different editors over the last year or so, although I tried implementing a [[Talk:Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3|cohesive style]] for walkthrough pages last December. If you're interested in working on the guide, I think the biggest thing it needs at this point is someone with the know-how to consolidate all the different walkthrough strategies, or at least find some way to organize the page content a little better. If you have RA3-specific things you want to bring up, you can try starting a topic on whichever page you're working on or the game's main talk page, and another editor might be able to chime in or provide some help. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:51, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


== CC maps again. ==
== Edit count ==


I've changed all my CCLP2 images to "Chips Challenge Level Pack 2" in the files, but I'm having problems with fixing them here. According to the rules you posted, the thing to do is to click the "Move" tab on the image's page. However, I cannot seem to find it. Please respond back. [[User:Andrewb|Andrewb]] 22:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there a page which will display your edits and categorize them? or an external site such as http://toolserver.org/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits (as that one does not seem to work :( ) - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 17:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
:I have to apologize, I just checked the group rights, and it seems non-admin can't move files. In this case it actually worked out just fine, because none of those images need to be moved. Abbreviations are quite all right in image names, especially for games with long names like Chip's Challenge Level Pack 2. The places where we use exact names are on the guide-specific images categories. If you do need to move a file in the future, you can place the {{t|rename}} template on it and an admin will do it for you. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:34, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
:For a simple edit count you can look in [[Special:Preferences|your preferences]]. The only edit counter I've ever known to work for us was [http://toolserver.org/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate wannabe kate], but it's no longer being maintained by [[wp:User:Interiot|Interiot]]. [[User:Prod|Prod]] has written his own tool for breaking down StrategyWiki user edits by category, so you could [[User talk:Prod|ask him]] to run it for you when he gets a chance. Hope that helps. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:45, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
::I thought I read somewhere in my page that I was supposed to just use [[:Category:Chip's Challenge images]]. Clarification, please? I wouldn't have started uploading so many if I thought they were incorrect. What needs changing, other than probably the ones that are still labeled "CCLP2" in the guide pages? [[User:Andrewb|Andrewb]] 20:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The [[User_talk:Najzere/edit_counter.js|edit counter]] you've made is awesome!!!! The fact I can count the edits and display them on my page in one click without having to actually edit and update the main page is also excellent! GOOD WORK!! - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 17:17, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, you use "Chip's Challenge images" for images going on the Chip's Challenge guide. You use "Chip's Challenge Level Pack 2 images" for images going on the Chip's Challenge Level Pack 2 guide. The [[User talk:Andrewb#Guide-specific images category|last post on your talk page]] said exactly that. Are you talking about "CCLP2" in the filename? Because that is ''perfectly acceptable''. The place where we use the exact guide name is in the guide-specific image category. I don't know how to more clearly explain the way image categorization works here. You can read [[StrategyWiki:Guide/Image naming|the policy]] or you can just look at the changes I've made to all the images you upload. The simplest way I can explain it is that you look at the guide where the image is going, then use that guide's name for the image category. Does that make sense? If you're still confused, maybe someone else can explain it in a way that you'll understand. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:48, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for the kind words! :D You're not the first person to be interested in a breakdown of their edits (and likely not the last), so hopefully others will appreciate the tool as well. Cheers, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:36, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
I appear to have lost the button to calculate the edits I have made, though the pages are still there;
*http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User:Trevman/Edit_count
*http://strategywiki.org/wiki/User:Trevman/BlueCloud.js
Has the code been changed - or could it possibly have something to do with the new "SHARE" section in the toolbox? - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 22:36, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it happened right after the share button was added. The new HTML in there is real messy (<nowiki><div> tag with missing end bracket, forward slash at the end of the <a> tag</nowiki>), but nothing's really changed as far as my script is concerned, so I'm stumped on why it's not working. I've tested all the pieces independently and the code does import scripts and add buttons to the toolbox, but for some reason it's not working on the user pages. I'll have to do some further testing to see if I can figure it out. I'll let you know! ;) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::Okay, should be fixed now. It was actually me that broke it when I added the table styles variable. Also, the HTML isn't ''that'' messy, it's just the missing bracket on the div. Sorry for the inconvenience! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
All sorted - THANKS!, working nicely once again :) - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 19:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)


== another template question ==
== Screen capture ==


hey Naz,
Do you know if there is any free software that will capture in-game images? - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 09:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
another question related to the pokemon trainer template; does it also work for FireRed/LeafGreen Pages?
:It's hard to find a free one, and I don't know any off the top of my head. Most of the ones I know about are for recording movies from games, but they're all able to take screenshots as well. I use [http://www.fraps.com/ Fraps] myself, and if you just want screen grabs, the trial version might be enough for you. I think it limits you to 30 second movies, but it will probably still take screenshots. Other than that, I know of [http://camstudio.org/ CamStudio], which is open source, but I've never tried it. It's apparently trying to compete with [http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia.asp Camtasia Studio]. For something else, you'll probably have to do some searching around. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Peace Out, God Bless.
[http://camstudio.org/ CamStudio] is good - it doesn't do screenshots, but you can record your game and then play it back and take screenshots of the video ;) - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 16:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Halosonic|Halosonic]] 00:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:Cool, glad to hear it. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
:No, right now it only accepts input for Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald. I don't know much about Pokémon games, but if you think a general Pokémon trainer template would be useful across all the guides, let me know and I'll work on it. If you just want to adapt it for FireRed/LeafGreen, we can do that too. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 03:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


yes it would be, but for now, it be better to focus on the the 3rd generation (Ruby Sapphire Firered Leafgreen and Emerald). until then, ill have to use the old format. thanks.
== Re: Multiple edit warnings ==


Peace out, God Bless.
Alright, thanks for the heads up. And no, I never really did get the ad thing sorted out. I guess I'll just suck it up. @_@ --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 18:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
[[User:Halosonic|Halosonic]] 03:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, I'll add those two. Just let me know if they need anything different in the template from the other games. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 03:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::All right, I updated the template to include the two new games. I also made images optional and made an instance for neutral trainers in case you want to use that too. The new template has been moved to {{t|pokemon trainer}}. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


== FF7 ==
== Gracias ==


Thanks. I'm running into something now. On the Five Years Ago/Parade For Rufus page, the one boss, Bottomswell. He takes half (I think) damage from gravity, not null and he is immune to earth attacks. I don't really know how to change it. I've gone over and corrected/clarified quite a bit of this page. Let me know if it's up to par. (I'm new at this)
Many thanks for that torrent of achievement image uploads; it's much appreciated! :D  — [[User:TheTwan|TheTwan]]<sub>[[User talk:TheTwan|talk]]</sub> 00:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:No problem! Let me know if I can help with anything else. ME2 looks like it's going to be awesome. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


[[User:Toasty0717|Toasty0717]] 05:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
::While I can't think of anything specific, if you wanna throw something in, be my guest.  I'll take all the help I can get. ;D  — [[User:TheTwan|TheTwan]]<sub>[[User talk:TheTwan|talk]]</sub> 00:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


I figured it out. I got the null from the coding. As it turns out, null in code=strong on the page.
== [[Template:Sys]] ==
[[User:Toasty0717|Toasty0717]] 05:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
:Okay glad you got it. Anytime you're editing and you're not sure about a template, you can follow the link to it at the bottom of the page (below the save button) and there might be some documentation on how to use it. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 10:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


Just FYI, I posted a reply on my page. Didn't really know where to put it. [[User:Toasty0717|Toasty0717]] 21:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
The new version looks a bit complicated. What does it do? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 01:52, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah I saw it, thanks. I like to keep replies at the same talk page they're started on, but some people like to go back and forth. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
:Pretty much the same thing as the old one, except you can suppress the automatic categorization by system and fit more systems into a single heading instead of stacking multiple templates up in the infobox. The real complexity of the template is from dealing with more than two systems and lining up the icons two to a row. It would have been easier to just put category suppression functionality into the old template, but I thought I'd make it more robust while I was in there. To see it action, see [[Paperboy]] for 2+ systems to a heading, and [[Ninja Gaiden II]] for suppressing categories (the 360 name for the game no longer shows up in the PlayStation 3 category). [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:34, 3 January 2010 (UTC)


== Navs on transcluded pages ==
== Re: Fight Night Round 4 achievements ==
Just wrap them with "<nowiki><noinclude></noinclude></nowiki>". --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 06:56, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:That would work for transcluded ones, but sometimes the page is just linked to from other guides' ToCs. So you could be on one game, go to the secrets page, then when you go to the next page you're on a different guide. I mentioned this a long time ago about the Street Fighter: The Movie guide, but apparently this is how all fighting game guides operate. I don't know what the best solution is, to be honest. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:02, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::The footer nav links should just point back to the parent game's main page, and then readers will only navigate through the collective ToC. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 07:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::LOL. '''Table of Contents | Secrets | Table of Contents'''? Okay, that would work, although it kind of negates the point of a navigation bar. At least there will be a [Go to top] link it. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:12, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, thought of something else. Originally I thought you could just use the normal footer nav, even if it's on a different guide, but they don't all share ToCs, so you'd still go from one guide to another guide's page, then to a ToC with all different fighters. So you ''could'' put a different game in the <code>game</code> parameter, but then that guide couldn't use its own page's navigation. Also, if more than one game was using that page, there'd be even more linked to the wrong ToCs. O_o - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
::::? Header navs definitely should not have double ToC links, and fighting games of a series shouldn't have issues with a shared ToC, as all of the characters will be the same (some with missing characters, some with additional characters). --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 20:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


== Fighting games stuff ==
The achievements and trophies for the game use different images and the Xbox 360 version has more achievements – wouldn't it be easier for a PlayStation 3 user to see his trophies in a separate table instead of mixed in with 360 ones and the wrong images on some of the PS3 ones? Also, the PS3 version images are now orphaned. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll add the navs to the pages when I'm done. And if you want to use to bot to fix the spelling of Desperation that would be good too, I'll see if I can fix any other inconsistency. ([[User:BackLash|BackLash]] 12:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC))
:You are quite right. I have now put the 360-only achievements in their own section as I did for the PC with [[Dragon Age: Origins/Achievements and trophies]] (this way the shared ones don't have to be listed more than once) as well as including the image differences (as you did for [[Battlefield: Bad Company/Achievements and trophies]]). Anyway, see what you think. :) [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 01:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:How about the naming? Should they all say "Moves" at the end? Just let me know the exact name you want to use for each one so I can do it all in one sweep. - [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
::Looks great! Things get complicated when they're not the same for both systems, huh? Do think we should ever use the {{t|control selector}} on these pages? Maybe just to switch out images or achievement names if there's just a couple different ones? A page like [[The King of Fighters XII/Achievements and trophies]] might be a little cleaner with it. Just a thought. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:14, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
::'''Update''': I tested it out the control selector on [[Star Wars: The Force Unleashed/Achievements and trophies]], which has a number of different images depending on the system. Let me know what you think. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmmm. The problem with that solution is that it makes editing more complex and we don't know what percentage of visitors actually notice the control selector (especially on pages like this that don't have actual controls involved). For that particular example the visual differences are so minor that it probably isn't worth showing both (GTA4 is a similar case--the PS3 trophies use a transparent background but are otherwise identical to the 360 achievements). Major differences (as with [[Ninja Gaiden II/Achievements and trophies|Ninja Gaiden II]]) may eventually become more common, at which point an achievement switch would make sense, but at the moment games only have one or two image differences if any. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 02:36, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Yeah, good point, it does make it more complex and who knows if a reader would know what the selector's all about. From what I've seen, pretty much every site has achievements with that gray background... I guess that's how they're displayed wherever they're originally ripped from. I have to think that as time goes on we'll actually see ''less'' differences between achievements/trophies, because it's easier for the developers to make a single image. A lot of the differences we're seeing now may be due to retroactively adding trophies, since they weren't mandatory for PS3 games until 2009. I guess we'll have to wait and see. [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


== Image Uploads ==
== Diablo questions ==


Sorry for the inconvenience!~
I moved the discussion to [[Talk: Diablo II]], and added another question there.  Unsure how to proceed. [[User:Jdorje|Jdorje]] 19:05, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Next time i will put the abbreviation of MapleStory. (MS)


--[[User:Spadow|Spadow]] 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
== Re: Achievement tables ==


== Temple of Time ==
I've been including a <tt>nowrap</tt> parameter in the table cell with the platinum trophy to prevent link breaks within the column, but the same issue is present with the gamerscore column as well. I think it would be a good idea to set the width on the gamerscore and trophy columns in the {{t|Achievements Header}} template to accommodate a three digit gamerscore and a platinum trophy, respectively. What do you think? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup>
:Heh, I have been planning on looking into that very issue. :) The highest achievement value seems to be a {{G|500}} achievement(!) in [[2006 FIFA World Cup]] so I guess the column needs to accommodate that at the very least. I'll look into that now. To the sandbox! [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 22:36, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks and good luck! From my initial tests, 40px for gamerscore and 75px for trophies seemed to be sufficient. Cheers, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, those dimensions seem about right. Anyway, check out the before and after: [[User:Garrett/Sandbox]]. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 00:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Looks great! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:15, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


This is the correct name. So yeah, those links need to be changed back.--[[User:IsaacGS|IsaacGS]] 17:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
== hello. ==
:Thanks for the quick response! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
::Sorry, i have been out of town for the last 2 weeks and i still have 2 more weeks of traveling ahead. Yes, all instances of "Timeless temple" should be changed to "Temple of Time", this is the official name from GlobalMS, which is what we use for English name sources when two different english versions have different translations.--[[User:IsaacGS|IsaacGS]] 22:29, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, I already went ahead and cleaned up that move, but thanks for the confirmation. I think I saw a recent edit where someone changed the pipe back to Timeless Temple though, but I'll let you guys sort that out. Cheers, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


== The Dog Island images ==
--[[User:Playstation3owner|Playstation3owner]] 23:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:Hi! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


Just wondering, do you want any help making Dog Island images? I'd be happy to make some now since I'm gonna do that movie walkthrough. Could we have images in the table of non-supporting characters, do you think? {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 10:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for redirecting, [[Sim City 2000]]. --[[User:Playstation3owner|Playstation3owner]] 23:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm a little worried about the fuzziness of some of the Catz character images, but anything's better than nothing. We can always upload a new version if we can get our hands on a higher quality picture. I moved the minor characters to a table because they're not really notable, and pictures of random dogs doesn't really add anything. Also, I was thinking of taking out the locations that are just in cutscenes, since that's a pretty pointless note. I was thinking we could either make an exception for Doluk (since he's not seen anywhere else), or just mention it in his description. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 10:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
::Just to let you know, I uploaded a better version of that Bernard image on GSW[http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/gamestory/images/5/5a/Dog_Island_Bernard.JPG]. If you want I could upload it here too. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 13:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, I have made some kind-of good quality images of some on the minor characters. Take [http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/dogisland/images/b/b4/Lesley.JPG this one] of Lesley for example. And also those ones of Sayori, Isaki and Bill that I just added. The only thing is it's hard to get pictures of characters who are inside... {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 19:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::The two reasons I'm against pictures for the minor characters, is that 1) it's pointless since you don't even need to interact with them, and 2) it's impossible to get high quality pictures for all of them, as they're not all in cutscenes. Anyway, the table was to reduce the length of the page, and adding images that will be big enough to make out what they are defeats that purpose. Also, what do you think about getting rid of the locations that are just cutscenes? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, technically YOU put that there were nameless dogs in cutscenes on the table, so we should have them in the list of places there. Otherwise it's just like they don't exist, as there's places for all the other nameless dogs. Also, would you like me to re-upload some of the images Cadence uploaded of the characters? As in the ones that were taken from a TV screen, and just until we can get ones from cut-scenes. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 07:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I'm not really sure what you mean in the first part, but do you have an opinion on getting rid of the places that are just in cutscenes? I've seen Cadence's images briefly, and yes, they need a lot of replacement, renaming and categorizing. Unfortunately there is an incredible backlog of unpatrolled edits since I took a four day vacation, so I haven't gotten to them yet (still on June 28's edits I think). — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Basically, I think we should leave them there (you are talking about places with nameless dogs, right?) because otherwise it's like the dogs just don't exist. And it does say "behind counters at inns or in cutscenes" (or something like that) on the table anyway. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 08:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::You're the first one to say anything about nameless dogs. I'm talking about anywhere on the page, on any character, not listing a location if they're only there in a cutscene, because it's highly trivial. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I thought that was only nameless dogs anyway... oh! I see what you mean now. You mean not saying, for example, that Dr. Potan is in Green Meadows? And also, wow, we're almost halfway across your talk page ;). {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 15:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


==SuperSonicRider and the DeviantArt Image==
==Talkback==
I replied to the comment you left earlier on my [[User talk:SuperSonicRider|talk page]]. --[[User:SuperSonicRider|SSRider]] 11:24, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Responded to your message at [[User talk:141.158.176.130#Enslavers and Enslavers II FAQs]]. [[Special:Contributions/141.158.176.130|141.158.176.130]] 01:18, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


==Re: Dark Law==
== Achievement solutions discussion ==
Thank you so much on re-editing the Status effect, It looks way much better without the table XD


I will try to keep editing with new things I encounter on Dark Law. For one thing, I found a weapon that can be use as a item, so now I'm kinda wondering to put it in the weapon section or item section, maybe even both. XD [[User:BrokenDream|BrokenDream]] 17:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Your achievement solutions have got me thinking about an official standard layout for such content. I have started a discussion on the subject [[StrategyWiki talk:Achievements project#Achievement solutions layout|over on the achievements project talk page]]. --[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] ([[User talk:Garrett|talk]]) 09:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:Sounds good, thanks for adding that data! For the item/weapon, I'd just put it wherever a reader would be most likely to look for it. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 05:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for the heads up! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


==Multiple Upload Page==
== Tower of Doom ==
Hi Najzere, I was wondering if you knew what happened to the Multiple Upload Page? ([[User:BackLash|BackLash]] 10:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC))
:The multiple upload extension had a bug where it would overwrite existing files without any warning, however the new 1.02 version claims to have fixed that, so I'll bring it up in the staff lounge and see if anyone wants to reimplement it. It's a beta extension though, so stability may still be an issue. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)


==Cleanup==
Hey, thanks for your help in getting the Tower of Doom article looking more polished. I had added the "(Intellivision)" qualifier because there's also an arcade game called Tower of Doom, but since its full name is "Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Tower of Doom" I think we're OK.
My apologies for making you cleanup after my edits but I am trying my best to improve my edits here and most of the pages don't need help and I am running out of articles to edit or improve on.([[User:Noryb989|Noryb989]] 23:27, 9 July 2009 (UTC))
:Like I said on your talk page, there is plenty to do on the [[StrategyWiki:Cleanup project|Cleanup project page]], if you're just looking for anything. For the specific guides you work on, I'd suggest making sure all the walkthrough pages conform to the same styles, meaning they are all laid out the same way and use the same formatting for different things, like capitalization, bolding, etc. Hope that helps, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:30, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


Okay I'll give it a try.([[User:Noryb989|Noryb989]] 23:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC))
One note: I appreciate your dividing the six level maps into separate pages, but it should be noted that it's not a walkthrough for the whole game (as it now appears), but only for the Novice adventure, which is one of 14 selectable adventures that a player can choose, each with their own maps. I think the subpages should thus follow the format Tower of Doom/Novice/Level 1, or Tower of Doom/Novice (Level 1).  <strike>Would you mind moving the pages, or (if it's within my power) pointing me to instructions on how to do so?</strike>  Never mind, I've figured it out (and feel a bit foolish since the link is rather obvious), though I'm not 100% sure how best to deal with the footers.


== After Years Images ==
FYI, I'm in the process of researching this game (see [http://www.intellivisiongames.com/bluesky/games/instructions/intv/tower.txt here for a manual]), and there are three more adventures to potentially be added: The Tower (8 Levels), The Tower (12 Levels), and The Tower (20 Levels).  I don't know yet whether the first two are subsets of the third; if not, we'll definitely need to keep the (N Levels) qualifier for those adventures.  The other ten adventures are randomly generated in whole or part, so maps are out, but there may be some consistency in item placement per level, etc. that would justify a walkthrough. [[User:Silverspell|Silverspell]] 18:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:Thanks for working on the guide some more! In general we try not to make sub-sub-pages, so moving the Novice pages to "Novice level 1" or "Level 1 – Novice" or something like that would be preferred. On the [[Tower of Doom/Table of Contents|ToC]], nothing needs to be changed, as different adventures can have their own headings just as you've already done. Is that an agreeable solution? For the footer navs, you'd have to make use of the <tt>prevname</tt> and <tt>nextname</tt> parameters to show different link text (another reason why we try not to sub-sub-page). For example:
::<tt><nowiki>{{Footer Nav|game=Tower of Doom|prevpage=Novice/Level 1|prevname=Level 1|nextpage=Novice/Level 3|nextname=Level 3}}</nowiki></tt>
:As you can see, it's a little cumbersome. By the way, do the levels have names in the game? It would be nice to use those if they do. Let me know what you want to do and I'll try to help out with the cleanup as much as I can! :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks for your quick reply!  I've used the format "Novice - Level 1" which seems optimal to me;  hopefully that's OK.  This also simplifies the footer problems I was having, which were I think a direct consequence of the sub-sub-page issue.  Unfortunately the individual tower levels don't have names, or at least none are mentioned in-game or in the manual.  I'm also hoping to find out if there are any "official" names for the monsters and magic items (other than their general class);  again, there are none in the manual, but there may be internal company docs, recollections from the programmers, or some prior strategy guide to use as a naming template (though I've never seen one for this game). [[User:Silverspell|Silverspell]] 20:40, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Thanks for making those changes. Sounds like you've got your work cut out for you with this guide! Good luck and let me know if you need help with anything. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for adding in those images to the guide pages in [[Final Fantasy IV: The After Years|After Years]].  I was actually planning on doing exactly the same thing when I got the core game content finished.  :D  — [[User:TheTwan|TheTwan]]<sub>[[User talk:TheTwan|talk]]</sub> 18:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
== Re: Achievement tables (again) ==
:No problem, I just wanted to help out since you're doing such an awesome job on the guide. Keep up the good work! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


== Combat Arms NX Items ==
Maybe it's just me, but do you think the tables would look better with both gamerscore and trophy columns the same width? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:That's a good idea, but [[StrategyWiki:Sandbox#MOAR tests|it looks a bit awkward]]. :( The problem is that the trophy names are significantly wider than even the highest achievement value. An alternate possibility would be to make the images a bit bigger and abandon the text altogether; [http://www.joystiq.com/photos/ps3-firmware-2-40-1/890743/ the PS3 itself does it this way] as do all trophy sites, and those specifically looking for trophies will probably know how the categories work anyway. --[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] ([[User talk:Garrett|talk]]) 00:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
::I think it looks good with both columns the same width regardless of what you want to do with the trophies. I'd be fine with dropping the text that goes along with it though. It can always be added by hand if you ever wanted it for something else. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


This is about the Combat Arms game article. Lately people have been editing to add a lot of Black Market content, which is how the game gets money. These are certain guns and equipment that you buy with real money. I don't think a strategy guide ought to contain this kind of stuff...
== Template:~ ==


It also gets slightly annoying because Nexon, the game company, likes to take the regular guns, modify them slightly, stick a CAMO or MOD or SE or TR at the end of the name, and make it a Black Market item. And this clogs up the gun pages with unnecessary sections (ex there is a P90, a P90 TR, a P90 SE, a P90 CAMO, a P90 SE CAMO, possibly a P90 SE TR CAMO, there are probably ten more gun series like this).
If the ToC is ever used in a expansion pack it will completely mess up all the links.  I also disagree with it only being useful on ToC pages.  When I was working on the Ratchet & Clank 3 guide, I found that I knew the name of the page I wanted, but didn't want to break from working on the guide to find the page, copy the whole title (or type it out) and link it.  It was far easier to just use the template.  The ToCs are just tons of copy pasting of names/links and usually you can spend another minute or two writing in the full names (or pasting) since that will usually be done separate from writing the actual guide.  -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 07:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:You know wiki markup comes with a shortcut, right? (<nowiki>[[../</nowiki>''Pagename'']]) I made a note about it on the [[Template talk:~|template's talk page]]. Although it's still useful on the majority of ToCs, you never know when a subtoc might be added, so I don't really see any use for it. The whole template seems like a silly waste, since it just reproduces normal wiki markup in an unintuitive way. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::Agreed that it's starting to seem almost useless.  The only benefit is that it's a "cleaner" view in the code.  However, I would say it's slightly more intuitive than using the ../ notation, which is only obvious to dos and *nix users, though neither would be easily found by the average user.  -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 08:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Since everyone learns how to make a link before using a template, I have to disagree that substituting .. in place of the base page name is less intuitive than using a separate template. Anyway, I'm surprised you'd be in favor of anything that replaces normal markup, as that's been your argument for deleting other templates in the past. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 08:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm actually ambivalent at this point.  I'll have to revisit this in a few days after it's had some time to sink in.  However, for now I still am going to remove it from all ToC pages. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 08:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


So I'm asking if it's plausible to just delete all the Black Market related stuff from the pages, and somehow prevent people from adding it back. A strategy guide shouldn't be telling people to spend money...or something along those lines =\
== SVG ==


[[User:Compymasax|compymasax]] 18:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I've forgotten what was broken (or thought we had it fixed).  Do you have an example? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 21:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:Unfortunately, there's no way to stop people from adding it, it will just have to be reverted every time someone does. What I would suggest is just noting how the Black Market stuff works somewhere in the guide, and then putting a couple editing notes (<nowiki><!-- HTML comment tag --></nowiki>) at the tops of pages telling editors not to put Black Market stuff in. There's really not much else we can do to prevent it. Also, if it's a user and not an IP, we can let them know on their talk page. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
:[[:File:Flag of South Africa.svg]] was the first place I noticed it. Now that [[:File:Drift City Team Roo Logo.svg]] has been reuploaded though, I'm not sure if it's just the image info page that doesn't preview it, or if only SVGs that were uploaded prior to it breaking are okay. I haven't noticed any problems with existing SVGs (e.g. all the country flags), but I'm not sure if I tried seeing the Flag of Africa on a guide page before I deleted it. When I asked about it, DrBob said SVGs were broken, so I didn't investigate too hard. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:'''Update''': Naw, the Flag of South Africa displays as a link to the image page when you try to use it. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:29, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::Fixed the second image.  The first is being a bit more stubborn. It appears to just be a problem with more complex images. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 21:59, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah okay. I tried replacing it with the exact one from Commons, but it still has issues. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Apparently rsvg can't handle clipping. I've modified the file and now it appears to render properly. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 22:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Huh, interesting. The clip-path defined a 45×30 area, which is what was displaying on the image page. I wonder if they disable clip-paths on Commons and Wikipedia. EDIT: Sounds like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SVG_Help#Bad_page_sizes this issue]. Maybe a new version of RSVG would help. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:11, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::It says confirmed on 2.16.1, which is the version we're currently running, so I'm not sure if it means confirmed working or not working.  It appears that the latest is 2.26.0 so I'll ask if we can have it updated. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 02:27, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
This is now fixed, but it looks like I'll have to clear the old thumbnails as they were cached from the old server, and I'm not sure how to get it to re-cache them from the web browser side. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 09:56, 30 September 2010 (CDT)
:Ok, and now all cached svg thumbnails have been cleared.  Let me know if you see any further issues. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 23:29, 30 September 2010 (CDT)
::Okay, thanks. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 1 October 2010 (CDT)


== Images ==
== Re: BS Zelda: Kodai no Sekiban/Printable version deletion ==


Thanks for catching that. Uploading images and their categories is one of the things I'm really unfamiliar with. It is always a relief to know there are other people keeping an eye out for things that are amiss.--[[User:Zaiqukaj|Zaiqukaj]] 17:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've marked [[BS Zelda: Kodai no Sekiban/Printable version]] for deletion and see you are the main contributor. Is this page necessary for any reason, or is it a holdover from Wikibooks or an earlier era of StrategyWiki? Just wanted to give you a heads up. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:No problem, we all look out for the wiki and that's why it's so great! Images can be tough anyway, since it's the one place you can't show preview to make sure it's how you wanted. I'm pretty anal about the upload log though, so don't worry. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, it's a long story. The bottom line is that it isn't necessary. When and if printing becomes a truly desirable feature it would be much better to install the [[mw:Extension:Collection|collection extension]] which offers output to PDF and even the option of ordering a printed book. --[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] ([[User talk:Garrett|talk]]) 19:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


== Request ==
== House of the Dead Overkill and The Conduit ==


If the recent changes log isn't too long, all MapleStory references of "Knights of Cygnus" (except for a blurb about its original name) need to be changed to "Cygnus Knights" per English naming convention. I'll probably start on it tonight or tomorrow after I review the rest of the latest MS changes. Thanks, --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 01:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
After looking at what you did with Scarface: The World is Yours in which you manage to turn an IGN guide page into a Strategy Wiki game guide. My mind pounded for a long time and I thought that it should also work for these guides I'm planning to do. Anyway, I'm wondering if you can download the two and send it to me. I have not since ever signed in to IGN and I'm already signed to Gamespot. My email address is johnnyauau2000@yahoo.com.au and it should be a bit of a long name. If it works, it should give me more confidence about doing guides but as usual I couldn't do it without a place where you get the ideas from. Take your time and even if you can't help me, you can direct me to places where I haven't looked at before. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 11:27, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, I can get on AutoWikiBrowser tomorrow. By the way, on the MapleStory NPC page, do you need a template for additions to the tables like the {{t|MapleStory/Monster}} template? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
:To be very clear, [http://faqs.ign.com/articles/807/807306p1.html the source] for [[Scarface: The World Is Yours]] has '''specific wording''' in it, allowing anyone to use it:
::I'm going to say yes, because there are going to be over 100 on that page, but it's not completely necessary at the moment (because it's unfinished). --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 16:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
{{quote|If you wish to use this guide in whatever capacity then feel free to use it, a
:::Okay, Knights of Cygnus → Cygnus Knights is done. I don't know why I asked about the NPC template, since I would have no idea what needs to be on it. :P So do we need to do an Ereb/Erev → Ereve replacement too? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:23, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
little credit would be nice.|Jallen9000}}
::::Yes. I've only seen one use of the name (Ereve) in game so far. Who knows if they'll change it again when the official release happens. And thanks again, --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 17:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
:It's very important to understand that '''we cannot take whatever we want from other guides'''. There ''must'' be explicit wording in the document saying you can use it or you ''must'' get written permission from the author. That being said, I don't see any compatibly licensed guides for the games you want, so there's nothing to "download", sorry. If you ever find a guide that you want to import to StrategyWiki, please tell me about it ''before'' you do so, so I can check it out. After the Age of Empires II import, you really can't afford to make another mistake concerning copyright infringement, so I'll verify anything you want to bring in beforehand. Sorry I couldn't be of greater assistance, but check back on any other games you're working on and maybe we can find something out there you can use. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:53, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ok. Sorry about that. I didn't want to touch your nerve like that. I'll avoid plagarism from now on. Anyway, I better let you continue on your work. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 00:07, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


== Spore/Planets ==
== Giving credit to the source ==


Wow, that was a while ago.  I think what I meant is that the list of Planet names is completely worthless because there are thousands of them. There may some information in the first paragraph worth keeping, but the page itself isn't useful.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font><font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Dukeruckley|Talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Dukeruckley|Contribs]]</small></sup>''' 19:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello Najzere, I'm currently working on the Gothic 2 Pages and want to give credit to my source. I didn't find any exact order where I could put this information down. Thanks for your help, have a nice day. -- [[User:Khobar|Khobar]] 08:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm mainly concerned with the images, rather than reinstating the page. If there are that many planets, then trying to have a picture of each one seems kind of pointless. What do you think? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
:Anytime you want to give credit, you can put it in the edit summary where it will persist in the page's history. Just so you know, you don't need to credit references (but you're certainly welcome to), just sources where you copy/pasted and you have permission to use the work. Hope that helps, and thanks for working on the guide! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 09:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::Exactly...  I'm sure one or two planet images to demonstrate the different styles could be useful, but beyond that, there's no reason for any more.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font><font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Dukeruckley|Talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Dukeruckley|Contribs]]</small></sup>''' 16:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Duke, are the planets actually unique (hard coded), or do they just use a combination randomized environments, species, and names? --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 01:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I don't know enough to say what is needed and what's not. Duke, if you could, would you take a look at the [[Talk:Spore#Unused images|unused images]] and delete whatever's unnecessary? Three out of the five are really low quality anyway. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


== let me explain myself ==
== Re: HerbLocationsVV3.png copyright problem ==


ok i know that i put a guide request in the last resort page
Hi, the image you've uploaded ([[:Image:HerbLocationsVV3.png]]) is not a free image. The underlying image is fine to use under fair use, but we can make no such claim to the diagramming on top. If you could find the screenshot they used in the game, it wouldn't be too hard to reproduce what they've done (or make it look better), and then it would be your own work. The other option is to ask virtualvillagers3.net for permission to use the image and publish it under our CC-BY-SA license. Let me know if you're going to contact the copyright holder and I'll refrain from deleting the image until you've gotten a response. If you have the screenshot, I'd also be happy to help put the information back on with a graphics program. Thanks for understanding! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:13, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
but i thought that was how to request plus there are some words i can't understand like "uniformly" and i write good here and i can't get the point of all the templates. i need like a youtube example. so sorry about the last resort page
: Hi there Najzere, I will take a printscreen of the game and make a better one. Sorry if it took me a long time to reply. Have a nice day [[User:DJ K-Jtan|DJ K-Jtan]] 19:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::No problem, thanks for helping to resolve this issue! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:19, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


and thanks blocking me because i found this funny video on youtube it's pokémon anime avgn audio mix it is pretty funny so check it out
== Category suppression templates ==
http://youtube.com/watch?v=E9ITNjFIOMU (warning: NSFW)
<small class="plainlinks" style="color:#b0b0b0">RE: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Prod&diff=prev&oldid=468466 <span style="color:#b0b0b0">[this post&#93;</span>]</small><br/ >
I like the idea, but I'd suggest putting them at {{t|sys/nocat}} instead (and the same for the others), since they're just "special" cases of the main template.  It also avoids increasing the amount of transclusion of these high-use templates. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:49, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, sounds good. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:52, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::<small class="plainlinks" style="color:#b0b0b0">RE: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Prod&diff=next&oldid=468466 <span style="color:#b0b0b0">[this post&#93;</span>]</small>
::We could go with {{t|rd/nocat}} and do what you had before, first parameter of the relevant country.  We could also reuse the current country specific templates, by adding a fourth |nocat (or numbered) parameter, which is hardcoded into {{t|rd/nocat}} and passed through to {{t|release date}}, though this will require modifications to all the current rd-style templates.  Alternatively, we could create one for each country rd, but that also causes problems for maintenance. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 21:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, the easiest thing to do is just use one template for all of them. rd/nocat is probably the best, as it's the generic instance. The thing I liked about using one template for sys, co and rds, is it kept the syntax consistent over all cases. Now the rd one has the extra parameter, so it feels kind of awkward. Is multiple transclusions a big deal considering few guides will need to use the uncategorized versions? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::In a way, rd always had that extra parameter, it was just implied (we dropped the 'rd').  For me, I prefer to keep the templates separate, rather than getting them too closely linked.  The template code is also easier to read that way. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 22:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::You know, I can hardly ever understand your reasoning these days. You're like a different Prod from last year before your long break. But whatever. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:45, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've been distracted far too much by work, and with DrBob on an extended break as well, I've got noone left to argue with. (note that this is a veiled attempt to get you on either gtalk or msn ;)). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 00:25, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


note: i just found the video ok i DID NOT upload it
== Image uploads  ==
and PLEASE DON'T HATE ME if you don't like it {{unsigned|THE KING OF ALL GAMES}}
:LOL, I just got around to watching the video. :D Pretty funny! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)


== OOPS i forgot that happened last time ==
Yeah, sorry about that. =] It's remembered for next time. --[[User:E-123Wario54|E-123Wario54]] 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


sorry if the message copied again [[User:THE KING OF ALL GAMES|THE KING OF ALL GAMES]] 13:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
It's like an arcade-type shooter--short, but addicting. I bought it because there's a "10 for '10" sale at the PlayStation Store. =D Thanks for fixing the categories. --[[User:E-123Wario54|E-123Wario54]] 22:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:Sounds cool. No problem about the fixes! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::<small class="plainlinks" style="color:#b0b0b0">RE: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:E-123Wario54&diff=469185&oldid=468914 <span style="color:#b0b0b0">[this post&#93;</span>]</small>
::Alright. Thanks for all the help. =) --[[User:E-123Wario54|E-123Wario54]] 00:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:::No problem, keep up the great work! :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


== Doluk's new name ==
::::Oh, okay, I got it now. =) Yes, that helps. --[[User:E-123Wario54|E-123Wario54]] 03:47, 6 February 2010 (UTC)


I was at my friend's house this morning and I brought over The Dog Island to teach them how to play, and there was something really weird I noticed: El Dorado said "That puppy, isn't he the son of Doroken". I checked to make sure I wasn't seeing things by reading it over and he definitely said "Doroken". I thought maybe it was because they chose a male dog and a brother when usually I have either a female dog and brother or male dog and sister. I'm confused now :/. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 16:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
== Noticeboard ==
:I'll test this 'cos sometime (hopefully soon) I'm getting The Dog Island for PS2 as well (mainly so I could have more save slots ;)) though it's not dispatched until august or something like that. I'll let you know what I find out! {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 16:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
<small class="plainlinks" style="color:#b0b0b0">RE: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Prod&diff=469025&oldid=468571 <span style="color:#b0b0b0">[this post&#93;</span>]</small><br/ >
::Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I can't imagine why they would change the dad's name at different times. I didn't notice a different name on my PS2 version either. Well, if you can reproduce it, maybe we can figure out what triggers it and add it to his entry on the Characters page. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I'd have liked to see things like that go in the forums, but I don't think enough people would notice.  It would have to be manually updated to fulfill the stated purpose, but it does sound useful.  It could actually go beyond that and just be a place to throw a link if something seems like it might be important to more than just the parties involved.  Things like major reorganizations of a large guide, or a new interesting template being created. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 03:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::"Doroken" sounds like the Japanese version of the name... --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 18:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, it could have more diverse uses. It would have to be manually updated, but only by the person who wants to serve notice. It would be to their benefit if they're trying to raise awareness, and I think it should be mandatory for anyone proposing deletion. Besides the whole idea of going offsite to comment on this one being absurd, the forums also lack the ability to be watchlisted. Then again, the staff lounge is likely on all the admins' watchlists but that certainly doesn't make them any more active. Anyway, are [[StrategyWiki:Bulletin board]] or [[StrategyWiki:Noticeboard]] okay destinations? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:19, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::And one more thing that my friend noticed was that everyone in Puroro Town has Italian names. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 07:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::With the forums, new topics/posts always show up as unread, so anything new would be easy to pick out.  Either of those names sound good to me. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 16:25, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::Except for Donatello, they seem more Spanish than Italian to me, although the two are similar. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 11:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's not easy to pick out on this site. Why should users have to keep eyes on two separate sites to be current on the one site they edit and care about? That's nice that it's easy to see unread posts on abxy, but I don't give a shit about abxy and I think it's a bad idea to put roadblocks in the way users of ''this site'' easily maintaining one repository for all things StrategyWiki. Almost half our namespaces are devoted to discussion, there's really no excuse for not using them. Much larger and more active sites than ours seem to do fine hosting their policy discussions on-wiki. The whole SW-abxy mashup is a transparent attempt to force these two sites together because there is an overlap in staff/ownership between the two. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:00, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::Oh, and I hope you don't mind I re-uploaded some of your character images. I figure that if you think the old ones were better you can always change them back ;). {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 12:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Wikis are for collaborate editing, forums are discussion.  There's a place to discuss on wikis, but they are lacking some of the more advanced features.  Apps should be used for what they're made for. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 17:10, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::No, your latest images look really good. As long as the quality is improving, I have no problem with uploading newer versions. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 14:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Not that I even know what you're talking about, as I didn't notice any "advanced features" on the forums, but what more do you need for a discussion than a way to put down your words and perhaps create a link? Formatting text is even ''easier'' on the wiki. The issue isn't about apps or any other bullshit smokescreens – it's about making editors jump through hoops to have a voice in what goes on on this wiki. If we ever become a highly trafficked site, the deleterious effect of this unintuitive approach to policy-making will become a lot clearer, as the divide between active users and participation on the forums increases. The sad thing is we will never know the actual extent of the harm, as it's impossible to measure how many people might have added to community discussions were they located at an accessible venue. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:33, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::When we become a highly trafficked site in the future, the two two sites will be much better integrated (more traffic, more money, more development).  If wikis were good for discussions, we could have non-guide-creation related discussions here. Forums are much better organized (hierarchical structure), it's easier to track peoples posts (see all their posts from one page instead of visiting each one by one), etc.  -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 19:14, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::::::LOL. If it was a good idea to have discussions on an external site there would be no impetus for them to be "better integrated". I know you largely ignore them, but we have non-guide-creation discussions all the time on the staff lounge, so wtf are you talking about? Lastly, how would looking at the entirety of someone's posts help discussion? (This can be achieved through Special:Contributions, as I'm sure you're aware.) Surely you don't need to look at a person's post history to see whether they have a valid point in a given discussion. On a side note about how we'll have more development with more traffic and money, we could have plenty of development if the bureaucrats of this wiki were more involved. Unless you're saying you need to be paid for your services or our pagerank doesn't merit your time, I don't see how this will be improved with higher pageviews and revenue. You either want to work on the wiki or you don't. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:27, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::::::But there is reason for better integration, and it's not only about discussions about the wiki, but creating a broader community.  I have an extremely busy job, I can't keep track of everything, however much I try, a question between my livelihood and hobby, you can guess which wins.  However, I'd prefer we kept the discussion about the site, rather than about me. Staff lounge is for people to get help on how to do stuff on the wiki.  The forums are for larger discussions, not helping newbies.  Even if a discussion fizzles, the info is kept together, rather than having to be linked from each successive discussion like the control table discussion.  "How do I do this" questions are usually sent to the forums or irc.  I don't need to point out the differences between: [http://abxy.org/forums/search.php?author_id=22721&sr=posts abxy posts] and [[Special:Contributions/Prod]], I find the former more useful and intuitive.  Bureaucrats aren't developers and most don't have access to the code that runs sw and abxy.  Our developers are paid, and I'm hoping to bring that into the wiki sometime as well, but it's a much more complicated task. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:12, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
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First of all, if a decision on a discussion was ever reached, it could be added to the appropriate guideline or policy page, so further discussions wouldn't be needed. Consensus is impossible to reach when bureaucrats don't bother to opine in policy discussions. The fact that policy-related discussions even occur on the staff lounge and not the forums (by others than just myself!), is valid evidence that going offsite isn't a good way to proceed. I understand that SW is a hobby for everyone and no one gets paid (except for developers, I guess), which only means that when you can no longer contribute the time to meet the ''minimum'' obligations of the post you took on, you should relinquish the bit and pass the torch. I'm pretty sure you all (bureaucrats) can find the time to make a comment in a discussion, since you're more than happy to respond when the topic interests you. To me that's the least you can do while you sit there saying you're a bureaucrat interested in guiding the growth and direction of the wiki. Let me know if you want specific examples for anything (e.g. which topics bureaucrats like to respond to, which topics quietly died with zero input, etc.). — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:28, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:I must admit I'm not actually sure what the point of this discussion is (though I'm sure you've figured out I do love to discuss/argue about stuff)...  I definitely like the noticeboard since it'll help me keep appraised of new things that are happening (which is why I added the date, that would be my preferred method of sorting). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::The point of the noticeboard is to hit your watchlist, at which point you look at it to see what was added and if you care, follow up on it. I don't see why the date is important (how does this help notify you?). I had in mind for the page to simply be a tool to get on watchlists, and adding a line to the table serves that purpose as well as adding a link to a section, so whatever. It just makes it harder for me to easily find what I want by jumping to the appropriate section through the toc. It seems like you may want to use it as a place for finding items that need administrator attention, but that wasn't the purpose I had in mind (you can go to the appropriate categories if you want to process these things). As for the point of the sidetracked discussion above, it was to air my grievances with the current system of inertia. I'm happy to continue ranting as long as you care to discuss it. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Watchlist only shows the latest change.  I don't usually get to visit every day, and having the dates shows which have appeared since the last time.  It also shows how long a discussion has been going so the ones which are lagging can be prioritized. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 21:24, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
::::You can set your watchlist to expand for all changes instead of most recent in your preferences. Lagging items should be dealt with in their respective categories. The problem I see with expanding the scope of the page, is it starts to encroach on other processes already in place, such as cleanup categories, the staff lounge, and (dare I say it!) the forums. The changes you've made don't preclude people using the page how I originally envisioned it, so it's no big deal. Let's just keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't turn into something it's not. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:42, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
<small class="plainlinks" style="color:#b0b0b0">RE: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Prod&curid=11051&diff=469718&oldid=469645 <span style="color:#b0b0b0">[this post&#93;</span>]</small><br />
So few people see the CP, I don't think it needs a WIP (yet). I also didn't bother no-including the cat cause it's already on the parent page, so just redundant code :). -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 18:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:So just make the changes live then? You can revert/modify if there's a problem I guess. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


== Re: BSP Deletes ==
== Def Jam: Vendetta ==


You can restore them if you want. Admittedly I don't know exactly how. --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 21:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I presume DrBob is away but that's now what I want to talk about. I just need someone to like check for spellings and grammar. So far the walkthrough I made is kind of shallow and not exactly deep at all. Well if you are well rested that is. That's all. On a side note, have you played that game? If you haven't, you should because I wasn't sure if you're familiar with this game I'm talking about. I would ask the same to Notmyhandle but may not have the time to answer my call. Anyway to tell the truth, I like wrestling games that should be easily accessible and I feel right at home with this game. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 15:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
:Notmyhandle already did so I believe. It's pretty simple though – just click "restore" and put in a reason. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 02:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sure, I'll give them a read through. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
::I have one more request if you got the hold of the game. If not than sorry for wasting your time. I just need someone to check the button layout for this game. Maybe both PS2 and Gamecube. The gamefaq doesn't really cover the button layout well. So if you of any other users have this game, I just need a check up. That's all. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 00:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't have the game, sorry. However, if you check all the FAQS on GameFAQs they have a lot of information on moves and combos for the PlayStation 2 version. While you can't just copy/paste the whole thing, you can find out what moves there are and which buttons are required to perform them. The way the game is set up, it really needs a Moves or Combos page for a more in-depth analysis on how to fight. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:::That's ok and that's a good point. In fact one of the other FAQs has a move set for all of it (or I hope there's moves for everyone). I've already posted this game on "Collarberation of the Month". I'll continue on my own but I hope I can bring it up to speed. I'll plan what pages needed to be setup to pull it off. Until someone decides on a collaberate effort, I'll try to address it on my own for now. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 05:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


== i know what he needs help with ==
== images ==


i was reading that message from the king of all games and i noticed. he doesn't understand the preload buttons he needs info each button. i also liked the videos he linked to. i hope he becomes an administrator {{unsigned|SMX REVENGE}}
Hi! I have recently been editing the New Super Mario Bros. Wii page and I would like to ask where you got those images and if I could get one of a 1up mushroom? Thanks!--[[User:Dprather|Dprather]] 15:01, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:[[:Image:New SMB Wii 1-up mushroom.png|Here you go.]] The images are pretty much all over the place as they're official art from Nintendo, but if you want an easy one-stop shop, you could try [http://www.mariowiki.com Super Mario Wiki]. I remove any background from the images and shrink them to 200px wide as well. Hope that helps! :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


== Re:Dog Island maps ==
:Thanks for your help!--[[User:Dprather|Dprather]] 20:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)


If I'm honest... I prefer the actual maps. No offense or nothing if you made those maps yourself. Actually come to think of it I don't really mind which you use (it's your image in the first place). The one with patterns looks nice. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 16:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
== Thanks for the reminder ==
:Yeah I made them in an attempt to have a cleaner, larger map. I don't really like them myself, which is why I wanted your opinion. I'll keep working on it, and I'll let you know what I come up with if I can produce anything satisfactory. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
::Just curious; what did you use to create the images? Whatever it was it was probably better than paint :p {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 09:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it was GIMP. Unfortunately I'm not much of an artist, but I was trying to make something like [[:Image:LOZ Majoras Mask clock town map.png|this]], which I think looks great. The main benefit, if we can get a base map that looks good, is that it will be much bigger and we can put walkthrough details on there like enemies, item locations, dogs, etc. That way we'd actually have useful maps on the area pages. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 11:22, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
::::It looks good but also on the green area it kind of looks like it's been printed out of our old printer because of the lines :P. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 07:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I was going for an "old map" effect based on [http://www.hirebreed.biz/photos/206-1210828868-flmapexample.jpg this one]. I think it adds a little interesting detail to it. I was considering adding the effect to the water too, but I kind of liked the result so far. Anyway, if this style is acceptable, we can slap bug locations on it for that page, and then enemies, items and dogs on it for the Areas pages. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:20, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Nice. Isn't the Yellow Flower in the wrong place, though? {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 09:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Perhaps – I didn't do any fact checking, it's just to show examples. Did you have a preference on any of them? I like the "Sayori" dog, the "F" bug location and I'm kind of undecided on items, though I lean slightly towards just plain as long as it stands out from the background. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 09:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I like the Sayori dog too, and I think the Yellow Flower item thing is the best. And I like the D bug location. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 11:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, since everyone agreed on the Sayori dog (you, me and my wife), that's in. Then you and her agreed on the flower, so that's in too. For the bug location, we all picked something different, but she and I picked plain ones, so I'll take the guidelines from the dog and item and say white border with blue inside for the bug locations. I think white border with blue highlights is pretty Dog Island-y, and it'll stand out all right on the maps. I'm working on the Treely Woods one now. I have to send my Wii in for repairs, and they make no promises that I'll get my save info back, so that may affect how long getting them all done will take. Even under perfect circumstances it will take a while though, with 24 areas and some having more than one map. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:I would help if I could make sense of the GIMP download page :P. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 17:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::[http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gimp-win/gimp-2.6.6-i686-setup.exe This] is probably the link you want (for Windows). If you need any help using the program, I'm reasonably familiar with the mechanics. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks! I downloaded it this morning and wanted to know if [http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/796/southsandydesert.jpg this] is the sort of thing you're looking for (but with icons on it). {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 10:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Nice picture! You've come a long way since your old maps from Dog's Life. :) Right off the bat, I'd like to see much bigger maps – I've been scaling the ones I've done by %150, for instance. The other thing is that all the maps should have the same style, i.e. colors, borders, patterns, etc. Just like the pages in the guide, the images should all have the same look for best results. In that respect it would be better for one person to do all of them. At this point I like mine better, but obviously I'm biased. :P If it's not that big of a deal (and I didn't think it was, since we probably would have used the screenshots forever if I hadn't started this project), I'd rather do them myself, but continue posting them beforehand for input, so it's still a collaborative process. I'd work on your techniques though, and make the Dogz 2 images any way you want. Of course if you ever want critiques or ideas, I'd be happy to give my thoughts. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::The map Naj has released so far looks more similar to the actual map in game. I would agree this styling is better, however that doesn't mean you couldn't give us tips on how to do it in the same manner. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 18:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)


== Re Image categorisation ==
Well, that certainly helps ease up on my editing I do on weekday visits to this site. BTW, thanks for your support on my collaboration suggestion. I've 100%'d the game already, so I'll help flesh out the guide.
If you had waited you would have known that I was going to replace the two images that already added to make the non- console specific. There are at lease two more images I'm going to place in the boxart section. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 07:31, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
--[[User:Superpowered Mario|Superpowered Mario]] 20:21, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:No problem, I'm excited to help get those cleanup tags off the guide! :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


:No, It's just I feel that any game like this one should not single out a particular console. It would be like making a statment that the particular console was either the original or the superior version of the game. 
== MKDD updates ==


:Also, I really don't see the redundancy of the images if the is simularity to them. I had planned on uploading two of the three Japanese covers for the game. The same goes for the two North American arts.
I deleted the combination section and put it under character/kart list where the other combinations are. do you want me to make a complete different section for combos only? please reply on my page.
--[[User:ZeroZone|ZeroZone]] 16:03, 7 February 2010


:No I've been getting these images from somewhere else and saving them in the PNG format, that's my thing. But I didn't know that PNG would not be a good format for these images.
== Blood Money box cover ==


:And in case your wondering why I haven't added the already uploaded covers to the boxart section was because I wanted to get all the desired images upload before adding. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 07:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Could you please delete the image I uploaded instead of the PC box cover http://strategywiki.org/wiki/File:Hbmboxart.jpg, thanks - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 21:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Done. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 21:47, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


::Okay, would you rather I just replace the current Japanese cover with their censored version? [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 08:07, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
== Confirmation ==


:::You lost me, both Japanese? [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 08:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
The AliceSoft wiki has a rule about not using screen shots from the game, which is a shame, because with the images would have been very effective for a guide. Just confirming whether or not this applies to us. [http://alicesoft.wikia.com/wiki/AliceSoftWiki:Policy AliceSoftWiki Policy] --- [[User:Jepjr|<span style="color:#00611C">Jepjr</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jepjr|<span style="color:#993300">Talk</span>]]</sup> 17:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:On the contrary, screenshots and other images are strongly encouraged on this site. Just be aware that we are not the copyright holders and may only use such images under the concept of fair use. In short, this means you should only use as many images as is necessary to increase the reader's understanding of the topic. In general, simple screenshots with no modification aren't all that useful unless they're showing how something is done, where it is, etc. I'm looking forward to seeing your work on the Rance guide! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:08, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


Naj, if you're saying that you shouldn't have images for different systems if the art doesn't change, then that's a bit hypocrytical. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 12:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Sprites are okay then? I was going to make a section for the dungeon monsters, that and consistency and quality with the captains images. I'll remember to sign these! --- [[User:Jepjr|<span style="color:#00611C">Jepjr</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jepjr|<span style="color:#993300">Talk</span>]]</sup> 17:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:Everything is fine right now. If you take a look at the main page of [[X-Blades]], you'll notice that all of the box art present have differences. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 18:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yep, sprites are fine. [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::Melon, it would be hypocritical if I did the same, but I don't. There is a long list of things I did differently when I first started here and didn't know any better, but as time goes on I learn more and am better able to uphold the standards of the wiki. I don't hold anyone's first edits against them – I'm concerned with what's happening ''now''. In the future, stay out of administrators' conversations that don't concern you.


::NMH, [[:Image:X-Blades eu cover.jpg]] and [[:Image:X-Blades Japanese Cover.PNG]] have the same art and we gain nothing by having both. Thank you for another pointless talk page post though. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
== VGMaps.com ==
:::Colors are different, one includes additional text, one has additional background details, one's logo has different lighting on the sides... --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 04:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::::If you don't see the distinction between differences in the cover as a whole and differences of the artwork on the cover, then you've missed the point (big surprise). Things like system name, ratings symbols and company logos are put ''on top'' of the artwork and are interchangeable and therefore unimportant. The concept you don't understand is that of ''materiality''. What constitutes a ''material'' difference? I can resize the artwork and say it's different, I can crop off three rows of pixels from the top and call it different, or, as in this case, I can darken the image and call it different. Allowing this sort of redundancy only contributes to page load times and used storage space on the servers, neither of which is StrategyWiki's goal. (Since you don't seem to know, that goal is to be the best video game walkthrough and information resource in the world.)


::::I know you're just an argumentative person and I shouldn't feed the troll, but it's not like I can just ''not'' respond to a post on my talk page, amirite? ;P — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 08:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Not sure who to point this out too, but I found a site http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/index.htm which has many maps of games and could be quite good for StrategyWiki's documentation of older games (providing people agree to share their work). - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 18:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Those two images are clearly different; I didn't even point out the logos or console labeling, you did. Feel free to crop it, I don't care. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 19:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:Technically speaking, the maps on VGMaps would be fine to use here with or without anyone's agreement to share them. They're all owned by the game developers/publishers as direct shots of their in-game material. So we would host them under the same exception as VGMaps does: fair use. That being said, from a personal standpoint, I would at least give attribution to them and link back to the page they were found on (or maybe not use them at all), since I know it's hard work creating those seamless maps from a bunch of emulator screengrabs. If you find any with the creator's attribution in the image itself, that would have to be removed before we could use it as well. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:25, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure we have spoken to the owner about this before, and he said we couldn't use them (Procyon may remember).  Additionally, they may be considered derivative works since there was separate effort required to create the "mosaic" of the images, rather than using them individually. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:54, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:::In order for the derivative to copyrightable, there has to be a substantial amount of new work. These are simple screengrabs laced together into a single image, so don't satisfy the necessary requirement of originality. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
If the people that made the mosaics of the levels, to create a full map, give permission to use the work on this site, then does the author of VGMaps have any say? There's email addresses for everyone (though most likely out of date or not checked often). I have emailed one guy in regards to using the Prince of Persia maps. - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 21:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:If you can get the author's permission, all the better. I'm just saying legally, we don't ''require'' it. Even if you end up using an image from the site and no one gave you permission, I hope you'd still give them credit anyway in the spirit of our copyleft licensing. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


== Final Fantasy VII Items - Thanks! ==
==Thanks!==
<small class="plainlinks" style="color:#b0b0b0">RE: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AImjon&diff=476331&oldid=441034 <span style="color:#b0b0b0">[this post&#93;</span>]</small><br />
I didn't even THINK about Categorization of the images I uploaded. Thank you for doing that for me; it won't happen again! :) - [[User:Imjon|Imjon]] 20:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:No prob. Thanks for the great edits! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


Hey, you read my mind with the table thing! I copied the format of one of them from another page, which wasn't too much trouble - but thanks for all of the ideas about extra item details! I hadn't even gotten far enough to think about all those yet - and now I'll be able to do them as I go along, too. I appreciate the help and the tips!
== Sengoku Rance ==
--[[User:Kineness|Kineness]] 16:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:No problem, FF7 is one of my all time favorite games, so I keep a pretty close eye on the guide, and every once in a while I go back and work on it a little. Thanks for editing it! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


==Pokemon FRLG cleanups==
Would you mind setting up a template for dungeon battles? The example for what it should look like is in my sandbox. The option to turn individual boxes green would be very much appreciated.  Also, could you format the bosses in the monster section, still in my Sandbox? I tried and they came out funny. And I was going to put the monsters section in the Sengoku Rance guide, but I wanted to properly finish it and get it checked first. --- [[User:Jepjr|<span style="color:#00611C">Jepjr</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jepjr|<span style="color:#993300">Talk</span>]]</sup> 00:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning my remakes and edits
:To be honest, none of what is on your sandbox should be put in tables. We try not to use tables to format data, but instead prefer to use the {{t|col}} template if it's necessary to separate content vertically. Ideally, what is in your sandbox should be split to multiple pages with sections for each enemy. We also don't use "Bosses" pages, but instead put information for them in the appropriate sections of the walkthrough. Let me know if you need more specifics or if you want any help moving things to the guide space. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
im still new to this and i still have some troubles with the tables alignments sometimes. {{unsigned|Blerian}}
:: Oh, I used the MapleStory Monster section as a reference. As far as the monster pages go, there isn't anything more to write about them than the occasional note. The point of the page is a set up for the dungeons page, to show which class of monster each one is. In the dungeons, every level spawns random enemies from a certain category. So if the level has a 3 A's and 3 B's, you can get three of any A class monsters, and three of any B class monsters. Most of the bosses are simply unique, slightly stronger monsters located at the end of dungeons. There are a few noteworthy ones that deserve mentioning, such as the route final bosses, and the strong ones like Orochi and Gunagan, but the rest are straightforward. --- [[User:Jepjr|<span style="color:#00611C">Jepjr</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jepjr|<span style="color:#993300">Talk</span>]]</sup> 03:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:No problem. :D By the way, you can use four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) to sign talk page posts. Keep up the good work! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


thanks first of all, as for the images i uploaded, they're meant to have the "FRLG" in the middle like the first 2. but i haven't found how to do it. {{unsigned|Blerian}}
== [[StrategyWiki:Guide/External links]] ==
:Okay, no problem, I'll fix 'em. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


== Re: FF7 slots images ==
Somewhere at the bottom of the page, it misspells StrategyWiki as "''StratgyWiki''". Just thought I'd inform you, because I don't know if that page is supposed to be edited. -- [[User:3155ffGd|3155ffGd]] 14:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's not protected, so anyone can edit it. Thanks for the heads up! :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


Resizing the images in an editor will just waste bandwidth. It's better to let the template scale them up, it gives the same results for less bandwidth. Unless you want some kind of blurring/interpolation effect on them. [[User:Wanderer|Wanderer]] 23:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
== Two links for the same game ==
:What I mean is, if we can get a good looking image at the size at which it will be displayed, then we don't have to worry about it being stretched by the template. In an editor we'll have some options for reducing pixelation and otherwise optimizing the graphic. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


== Re: X-Blades ToC ==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that, on this page: [[StrategyWiki:Guide completion/Sega Genesis]], there's two links to the same game. If you scroll down to where the Dragon Ball games are there, you'll see that there are two Dragon Ball games there. First off, only one Dragon Ball game was released for the Genesis (which, in my opinion, sucks =[) and everything else was released for NES/SNES. Second, I think that's just the French spelling for Buyū Retsuden. Correct me if I'm wrong, because I didn't play the French version (sadly, I only have Japanese, which is mega-hard to understand), or tell me if I just had a little misconception. Just thought I should let somebody know. =] --[[User:E-123Wario54|E-123Wario54]] 03:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
:Good catch! It looks like [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=StrategyWiki:Guide_completion/Sega_Genesis&curid=61681&diff=476912&oldid=476907 Garrett] took out the double link. If you see any in the future, feel free to remove them and update the total at the top of the page. Thanks. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


Well, for now I'd suggest merging the three Sky Islands areas to make one Sky Islands page with three sections. But the rest, that a tough one. Maybe merge regular areas with the evening/darkness counterparts since it just re-exploration here and there with new enemy layouts. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 01:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
== Steam ==


== Re:Alex ==
I don't know about d2d, but with Steam, it becomes a part of the OS that is required for the app to run, effectively making it the "system".  Especially if it isn't available standalone.  Is Steam available on Mac, or other systems? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 01:19, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
:Good question, I've never used it and don't own a Mac. If you need Steam components to play the game, then it sounds more like Adobe Flash or Web browser that we put in the systems field. Garrett probably knows more about it, but he didn't go into any detail on the SL topic. For redundancy's sake, so we don't have Steam in both distributor or system field, I think its role as a distributor is more important. Looking at the infobox, I would see Windows and Steam in the systems field as either/or, whereas Steam as the distributor and Windows as the system makes more sense to me. The same goes for Flash and Browser though too, so maybe we need to think about putting these sort of programs in the media or requirements fields. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)"
::I don't know of any games that NEED steam installed and based on that I think it should stay in the "Distributor(s)" section, but if it ever is needed for a game then I agree with Najzere that it should be put into the "System requirements" section, for the same reason CPU is in there, if you don't have it you can't run it. - [[User:Trevman|Trevman]] 16:43, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::: It's needed for some versions of Half-Life (pre-Steam versions run without it), some versions of Psychonauts (Steam version will report "Failed to find Steam"), while other games are happy to run even if Steam isn't running.  Of some games that require Steam, you can use the "End Process" on steam.exe without crashing those games.  Even if steam is required for those games, listing it is almost the same as listing SafeDisc, SecuROM, Starforce or other copy-protection systems used on the Windows platform.  Steam also only exists on Windows, unlike Flash which attempts to be cross-platform.  --[[User:Sigma 7|Sigma 7]] 20:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
::::That's exactly why I asked :).  Steam as a distributor sounds like a good idea to me.  What about D2D?  My assumption is that it would fall under the same categorization. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


Alex is the only one, isn't he? Give me an example and I'll believe you ;). {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 12:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Or you could double check information you're putting up on the wiki. Anyway, when I get my Wii back in a couple weeks I'll try to remember. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 13:02, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
::Are you saying I'm making stuff up? And also what happened to your PS2 version? You could always check on there. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 13:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


== Re: Blanking pages ==
== Thanks ==


It means I'm working on it. That's all. I don't know if you noticed, but there are many sections of this guide that need my attention; unless you want to try writing this guide with me, there won't be a way of me working on multiple sections simultaneously. If you favour keeping poor content up on the site, then fine, I'll leave it alone. --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 15:21, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice and the information on the ooze. Have fun editing! Also could you check my spelling for plauge I don't have a dictonary in handy.--[[User:ToxicGoomba13|ToxicGoomba13]] 01:01, 24 February 2010 (UTC) --[[User:ToxicGoomba13|ToxicGoomba13]] 00:59, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:Arrow, I understand that you're basically writing the guide alone and you want it to be as good as the Midway guide, which, by the looks of it, it will be. The purpose of the guide is to help people with the game though, and so having ''something'' must be better than nothing, right? I went through that user's edits and cleaned them up, so aside from not being laid out like the rest of the guide, they shouldn't ''too'' badly written. Another thing to consider is telling a new user "fuck you" by deleting their contributions instead of trying to incorporate them, or at least guide them on what you're looking for. I mean, the wiki is supposed to be a collaboration, right? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:31, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, I fixed the spelling. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:13, 24 February 2010 (UTC) Thanks for fixing
::That's the question: guide ''who'' on what I'm looking for? People just randomly write stuff up and then leave, and I'm the one who has to make the guide look uniform again. As I can tell (from it being the Most Wanted guide according to the main page) a lot of people are relying on me giving them accurate information: I personally make sure that every single piece of data, down to ship names and what guns are on it, is accurate. I even cross-reference this with data from an Eidos employee I'm in contact with, to make sure that everything is accurate. Some data is inaccurate, not notable, not presentable, or just plain wrong. I don't want it to be "as good" as the Midway guide, I want it to be '''better''' - I learned that Prima released a preview of their own official Pacific guide, only to find that they're using data from Midway. This isn't just a guide, this is an opportunity to put Strategywiki on the map, by not just having the first only complete guide for BSP on the interwebs, but by even beating out the official strategy guide itself ''before it's been released''. --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 15:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
the spelling as I said I'm defintly not a good speller. :)--[[User:ToxicGoomba13|ToxicGoomba13]] 01:17, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Hey, I'm totally excited that we have this opportunity and that you're this enthusiastic. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know. Mainly I've just been doing copyedit since I don't have the game. I'm not getting on your case about blanking/deleting because I don't want the guide to be awesome, but rather because it's not according to the rules of the site. Eventually you'll have rewritten the parts you need to, so I'm purely talking about interim content. All guides are works in progress to some degree, so maybe you can look on the bright side that someone at least ''tried'' to help the guide become complete. I think [[User:ZuuL155|ZuuL155]] (and his IP before he signed up) is a big fan of the game just like you are. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


==Blerian==
== MapleStory DS ==
well thanks for the tips however they won't help me much since i have a hebrew keyboard all the alt codes are diffrent.
i use word until i'll find the codes for this keyboard.
([[User:Blerian|Blerian]] 16:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC))
:No problem, you can use the other methods until then. Also, you don't have to put the tildes between parentheses if you don't want, that's just the way I was displaying them for you. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


== SW Meeting ==
Hi, the title for the DS version of MapleStory is just called MapleStory DS. I'll edit the MapleStory DS with the boxart and release date. But could you change Maple DS to MapleStory DS? <br>Thanks in advance. --[[User:Spadow|Spadow]] 01:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, all done. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 02:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)


Just letting you know the meeting just started. --[[User:Sigma 7|Sigma 7]] 18:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
== More cells? ==


== Collapsable elements ==
Hey Naj, is there any way to divide the Dual Blade part of the job table in my [[User:Imjon/Sandbox|Sandbox]] into six cells, but have it still fit within the table? -- [[User:Imjon|Imjon]] 19:25, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:You mean having two cells for 2nd job, two for 3rd job and two for 4th job? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:42, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::Um, sure why not? They have six advancements. o.o -- [[User:Imjon|Imjon]] 20:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:::In that case, yes it can be done. However, it would require adding <tt>colspan="2"|</tt> to the cells above in the job columns and changing the colspan in the cells below to 7. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:23, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Oh! Awesome, it worked. Thanks Naj. :D -- [[User:Imjon|Imjon]] 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Sure thing! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
== Thanks ==


I think if they defaulted to being hidden/collapsed it would be more effective. What do you think? --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 17:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of renaming [[Legacy of the Wizard]].  It was a strange call; even though there are three versions that use the Japanese name, and only one that uses the US name, it seemed more in keeping with our policy to use the US name, since that's how most English speakers will search for the game. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]'''
:They're defaulted to collapsed on guide pages, but expanded on the main page and the Table of Contents. I'm making a post in the Staff lounge right now to explain more fully and open the discussion up for everyone. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:No problem! :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:47, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


== i was blocked ==
== Hope everything is OK ==


i have been cussing nonstop for 2 weeks why am i blocked how can i get this gone? you know who i am. k.a.g. {{unsigned|76.173.127.3}}
Hey Naj. It's unusual to see a day of Recent Changes without your name in the list. I hope you're doing ok and hope to see you back soon. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 14:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:You're not blocked under the IP you're using now. Tell me the user name or IP you were using, or post a diff to on of the edits you made before you were blocked. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:Heh, yeah, just had a bit of a push at work lately. Also, I just finished [[Heavy Rain]] last night so... :P. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
::That's {{user|THE KING OF ALL GAMES}}, banned for vandalism and spamming admins. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 19:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::Glad everything's OK :)  What did you think of Heavy Rain overall? '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 20:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, well in that case, you were banned for a reason. Come back in six months and tell us how you've changed and maybe we'll put you on probation. In the meantime, read your talk pages and the [[StrategyWiki:Guide|Guide]]. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::The game itself was really good, although the voice acting was terrible. I'm replaying now to see all the different story arcs and endings. It's more of an interactive story than a game, really. Besides doing some quicktime events, you just watch the story play out and make a few choices here and there. An interesting idea, but probably not everyone's cup of tea. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


== In the past year or so, the [[Pac-Mania]] pages have been an occasional target of vandalism... ==


==Blerian==
...by [[User:69.123.136.241]] and what I can only assume is a sockpuppet IP, [[User:76.228.225.174]]. He has swapped the ghosts' names around and changed their genders on several sporadic occasions - and I, for one, am sick of it! Could you or another administrator PLEASE tell him to stop it or block him for a short period of time in order to discourage him from doing it again, as he obviously hasn't even seen the promotional flyers! [[Special:Contributions/86.155.46.106|86.155.46.106]] 17:11, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
I know i haven't been active lately, had some troubles with the army.. anyways, in Pokemon FRLG you should change the order of "Route 10" with "Rock Tunnel" since you get to route 10 before in the games. I will keep making the walkthrough tommorow hopefully. ([[User:Blerian|Blerian]] 21:11, 6 August 2009 (UTC))
:Okay, I blocked the second one, who has edited more recently. I'll block the other one too if he comes back, although it's been about six months since the last edit. Thanks for catching those mistakes and correcting them! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, fixed. You can edit the [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen/Table of Contents|Table of Contents]] yourself any time you like just like a normal page. There's a link to it in the Header Nav on the guide pages. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)


== SIX MONTHS!!!!!! ==
== hey ==


what day is six months from now?.
Hey Najzere! Im new to strategywiki and have some questions regarding pictures. After making the Croc: Legend of the Gobbos page (which you helped me clean up :P), I was wondering why I can not put any pictures into the characters section. An y help would be appreciated. Thanks :)


one of my friends told me someone is making a gift especially for you najzere its gonna be on youtube so you should see it
Mindfudgerie
:Hotlinking to images has been disabled. Just read our [[StrategyWiki:Images|image policy]], then [[Special:Upload|upload]] them to the wiki. You can read about [[StrategyWiki:Guide/Images|images in the guide]] for how to use wiki markup to insert them. Let me know if you need any help! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


== Skyscraper? ==


my question was up there↑↑↑
I would like to add a free simulator that i know ok called skyscraper sim could i post it?
[http://skyscrapersim.com/ the main site] {{unsigned|Elevatorman138}}
:No, it's not a game. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


but really what day is 6 months from now?
== Hi, its been a while. ==


yo, how you've been?
im a bit rusty with the system, i feel a bit embarassed to ask this, but i have to. im starting the walktrough for HeartGold/SoulSilver, but i forget, how do you start subpages?


warning someone put reversed music in your e-mail DON'T OPEN ANY YOUTUBE MAIL he's really mad at you {{unsigned|76.173.127.3}}
Peace Out, God Bless
:Six months from your block would be January 18, 2010. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:24, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
[[User:Halosonic|Halosonic]] 19:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:You put a forward slash and the name after the parent page. For instance, to make a subpage of "Game", you would create "Game/Subpage". — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


== one more thing ==
== Any luck with the GIMP scripts for 2d-3D? ==


can i still edit my user page or can i have one of my youtube friends edit it? {{unsigned|76.173.127.3}}
Hi, were you able to find the new GIMP scripts
:No, you're blocked, what don't you understand? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:27, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
for converting bitmap images? Thanks
::And if you keep this nonsense up, it's going to be a permanent block.  You and your contributions are not welcome on this site.  Get used to it.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
--[[User:Negative1|Negative1]] 00:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, sorry I totally spaced that. :/ I uploaded the new version here: [[:File:2Dimage-3Dimage.txt]]. You'll have to change the extension to .scm manually now, but other than that it can just replace the old one. Hopefully that fixes your problem. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


== HnK/FotNS ==
== My Evan Story and guides. ==


Hey man.  Yeah, I was trying to figure that all out, but the whole series is such a mess.  I ''wanted'' to stick to convention, but then it got weird because the first HnK was a Sega game, and the first FotNS was the second Famicom game, which was actually the third game, and then you have the 1996 Banpresto HnK release and the 2005 arcade release (which was also entitled FotNS in America), and I just decided... screw it.  This series isn't popular enough that people are going to understand what they're really looking for unless they just put either title in the search and get redirected to the category where it can be made clear. That being said, I welcome anyone else's ideas on a better approach to the problem, this is just my solution. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 23:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I played KMS, my friend was a designer of the jobs, I know the story, and why did you change my build... {{unsigned|Coolpete21‎}}
:Ahahah. Okay, sounds like you took the only reasonable course of action. I work RC from the bottom up, so I saw what was going on after mentioning it. I like all the SMS games you're doing, it's bringing back a lot of memories. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
:I don't care who your friend is or what you think you know. These pages are for strategies in playing the game, so a huge (unsourced) story section is inappropriate. More importantly, it is a copyright violation, as it is a direct copy/paste from forum posts. If you look at the history pages of the [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=MapleStory/Evan_Guide&action=history Evan Guide] and [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=MapleStory/Evan_Guide/Builds&action=history Evan Guide/Builds], you'll see mine and [[User:Spadow|Spadow's]] comments in the edit summaries giving our reasons for removing the content. Just stick to writing helpful guide material and you'll be fine. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
::Procyon is actually [[User:Procyon/Famicom|working through the Famicom library]]; it just so happens that many of these games are on other systems too. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]]<sup>[[User talk:Garrett|Talk]]</sup> 01:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, but for the sake of completion, I stubbed [[Hokuto no Ken (Sega Mark III)]] in order to provide the first listing of a Hokuto no Ken title.  And I recently provided the walkthrough for [[Renegade]] which was released on the SMS, but only in Europe, and before that, there was the reference to the Japanese only Rygar game that was on the SMS, so I have had a string of them lately.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


== Super Pang name ==
== Foreign-language editors ==


So, why added "(Sachen)"? --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 02:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
A user, [[Special:Contributions/MultiKoros|MultiKoros]] made an edit to the page [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen/Pallet Town]] in a foreign language (it looked like Romanian). I've reverted the edit, but I was wondering, what's the policy on foreign-language editors? Do we warn them, or does a sysop block them? [[User:Moydow|<font color="green">Moy</font><font color="orange">dow</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moydow|<font color="blue">(ta</font><font color="gold">lk)</font>]]</sup> 20:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:You can just let them know that this is an English wiki and all the guide content needs to be in English, except when the foreign language is necessary to play the game (pretty much just when the game was ''only'' released in a foreign country). If the user persists, then we can get into warnings, but he probably just didn't know, so it's no big deal. Thanks for reverting it! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:15, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


:Technically, the title Super Pang officially belongs to Capcom.  Even though the NES version came out prior to Capcom using the title, the Sachen version (like all Sachen games) is unlicensed. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 03:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:All right, thanks for that! I'll let them know. [[User:Moydow|<font color="green">Moy</font><font color="orange">dow</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moydow|<font color="blue">(ta</font><font color="gold">lk)</font>]]</sup> 20:25, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
::From what I've read the arcade game "Super Pang" predates both the unlicensed and licensed ports. I was planning to redirect "Super Pang" to [[Super Buster Bros.]], which is the NES port of the Japan-only arcade game. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Whoops, good catch, you are correct.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 13:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


== X-Blades  ==
== GNU Licensing ==
How can you say that the new write up I did for the lead was bad. As compared to atrocity that is currently available, which looks like it was just plucked off the lead and gameplay sections of the corresponding Wikipedia article, it looks fine. The currently both leads has discrepancies, which don't set right with me. So I'm planning to do a re-write to that article over there.


Second, the plot section wasn't as you put it, "duplicated info from walkthrough". I merely rewrote the section from scratch, in my own words. Since it's all derived from the same source, naturally it's all going to seem like old cut 'n' paste job. Now, it was my understanding that the lead and plot sections are supposed to be brief summaries of what the game is about and what the guide has in store for the player. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 21:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Fair play? Crediting of course. I'm pretty sure it said it was ok, but just to be sure. And did someone get you a copy of God of War III? [= [[File:SRTakugaIcon.png|15px]][[User:Jepjr|<span style="color:#00611C">Jepjr</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jepjr|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 02:29, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
:Not sure what the first part of your post is in reference to, but no, no one's gotten me any games to write walkthroughs for. It was an idea we were kicking around when the Milk project was first formed, and I'm trying to a be a guinea pig. :P — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
::[http://starocean.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Ocean_Wiki:Copyrights Star Ocean Wiki Copyright info], I know I should finish one guide before I think about another... [[File:SRTakugaIcon.png|15px]][[User:Jepjr|<span style="color:#00611C">Jepjr</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jepjr|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 11:54, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, their copyrights page is outdated. Wikia went to CC-BY-SA in the middle of last year, so yeah, we can use their stuff with attribution. [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


:Be that as it may, there were numerous misspellings and nothing was wikified (i.e. linked). The intro paragraph on the main page is for meta-information about the game such as release and development information. In that regard, what you had written was nearly the same as the Wikipedia intro, except poorly done. The plot summary was indeed a rehash of information in other areas of the guide, and the fact that all plot summaries will be similar for a game wherever you put them has no bearing. The "Story" section on main game pages isn't meant to be comprehensive, but simply to give a general idea. You cover the story better elsewhere in the guide, so there's no reason to put another, too detailed writeup on the main page. You might consider the saying "if it's not broken, don't fix it". What is wrong with the main page as it is? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
== Johto Map ==


::Nearly idenical? As compared to what? If simularity was one of the reasons for the revert, then why is current lead being used? Here, look at the three versions:
Was planning on using.. [[StrategyWiki:Guide/Images#Image_maps]] on that. That was the reason for it's size. [[File:SRTakugaIcon.png|15px]][[User:Jepjr|<span style="color:#00611C">Jepjr</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Jepjr|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 05:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)


::'''Current revision'''
== Atomis Wave buttons ==
<small class="plainlinks" style="color:#b0b0b0">RE: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Procyon&diff=485583&oldid=484436 <span style="color:#b0b0b0">[this post&#93;</span>]</small><br />
Hey Naj, good catch as usual.  In theory (under idealized circumstance), those buttons are not just useful to the Fist of the North Star game, but also to other Atomis Wave games, such as the later King of Fighters, Guilty Gear, and other such fighters that came out on that hardware.  Personally, I think we can get better quality images, like we have for the Neo-Geo buttons.  Ultimately, I would categorize them under Arcade control images.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 19:55, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, will do. Someone can replace them later with higher quality ones if need be. Thanks! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:57, 19 March 2010 (UTC)


::'''''X-Blades''' is an [[action-adventure]] game for the [[PlayStation 3]], [[Xbox 360]] and [[Microsoft Windows]]. The player assumes the role of Ayumi who wields two pistol-blades. The game was developed by [[Gaijin Entertainment]] and was published by [[SouthPeak Interactive]] and [[TopWare Interactive]]. The game was originally released in December, [[2007]] by [[1C Company]] in the Russian language for Microsoft Windows, under the title '''Oniblade''' (''Ониблейд'').''
== Trivia template ==


::'''Wikipedia's lead'''
Hi! I liked your Quotes page, so I tried to set up a page with my own spin on it, a [[User:Moydow/Trivia|trivia page]]. But I have a problem, It looks like I need a new template for it to work properly. Could you help me set this up? [[User:Moydow|<font color="green">Moy</font><font color="orange">dow</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moydow|<font color="blue">(ta</font><font color="gold">lk)</font>]]</sup> 23:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, I added an optional parameter to {{t|user quote}} to specify a different page than "User:Moydow/Quotes". Alternatively, you could have moved "User:Moydow/Trivia" to "User:Moydow/Quotes" and the template would have worked. Cheers! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:46, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


::'''''''X-Blades''''' is an action-adventure game for the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360 and Microsoft Windows. The player assumes the role of Ayumi who wields two pistol-blades. The game was developed by Gaijin Entertainment and was published by SouthPeak Interactive and TopWare Interactive. The game was originally released in December, 2007 by 1C Company in the Russian language for Microsoft Windows, under the title Oniblade (Ониблейд).''
::Ah, never thought of that. Thanks for setting it right! :D [[User:Moydow|<font color="green">Moy</font><font color="orange">dow</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moydow|<font color="blue">(ta</font><font color="gold">lk)</font>]]</sup> 00:55, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


::'''My current edit''' (per your comments)
== Loom Guilds ==


::'''''X-Blades''' (Known in Russia as '''Oniblade''' (Ониблейд)) is a [[video game]] for [[Microsoft Windows]], [[PlayStation 3]], and [[Xbox 360]]. It was first released in Russia in late 2007 by [[1C Company]], and later by [[SouthPeak Interactive]] throughout North America and Europe, and by Ubisoft in 2009. The game is a [[hack and slash]] [[action-adventure]] that allows the player the opportunity to take on the roll of character Ayumi. A treasure hunter that wields a pair of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword gunblade] and use various spells. The game would go on to reach sales of ruffly 29,680 units throughout North America, Europe, and Japan. It would be reported that the game, along with [[Big Bang Mini]], would help distributor SouthPeak Interactive earn $13.5 Million in revenues. However the game was panned by critics for it controls, weak storyline, and its protagonist.''
Hi there. I see that you marked as "stub" a Loom Index mentioning all the known Guilds. I didn't intend to expand it anyway, but rather have it just as a note of reference. If you have any ideas to expand it, describe how you imagine a better version and let's work on it :) [[User:Keyan|Keyan]] 11:13, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
:I stubbed the page under the assumption that it was within [[SW:SCOPE#Guide scope|scope]], i.e. that the page had a meaningful impact on gameplay. As a list of story elements, it seems that's not the case and the page should be removed. Is there any reason a player would need a list of guilds to finish the game?  — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:43, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


::Now your wrong on two counts. One, there were wiki-links for both "hack and slash" and "action-adventure". That's gotta count for something. I Didn't add more because I thought that the page would become dominated by a bunch of red links. But I realize that's not the case now. Second, I don't think the simple misspelling of the word opportunity ("oppoetunaty") constitutes as numerous. I do thank you for pointing it out for me though. Unless your suggesting that gunblade is the incorrect spelling. If that's the case, you're going to have to take that matter up with X-Blades writers, as that's how they spell it.
== Empire Earth and Empire Dawn of the New World. ==


::To answear your question, the lead looks like a bunch of noobies block stacked whatever information they could find and then someone added the Oniblade information in like an after thought, which I'm too comfortable with.
I'm not sure I got the title's right. Anyway I'm a little skeptical about these games. What do you think of those games? Are they both good or both bad? I just recently discovered it and because of my curiosity, I decide to try those out. Compare to Rise of Nations which is capture the territory game which is ok and Age or Empires 2 which is the game I play the most. Not to mention Star Wars Galactic Battleground. I'm still looking through the available real time strategy games to see which game works for me without getting far too complex for their own good. I don't know if you like real time strategy games and whether any of your game works or needs patches to cut down on bugs and glitches. Especially on laptops which I have right now. So take your time and let me know if you're into it or not. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 10:47, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:No sorry, I don't play any strategy games. I think the only one I've ever played was [[Civilization II]], and that was turn-based. :( Sorry I couldn't be of more help, I hope you find a good game though! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


::As for the plot, I will go half-way and leave it out and give a brief  honorable mention in the lead with somthing like "''...A treasure hunter who unexpectedly gets caught up in the middle of a centuries old family feud between two immortal brothers during her latest adventure.''". [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 01:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
== Do you use MSN/AIM/etc.? ==
:::I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the change, but I would revise it to (excluding revenue statistics and criticism, also note the break between publishing info and gameplay summary and the exclusion of certain gameplay information):
::::'''''X-Blades''''' (Known in Russia as '''Oniblade''' (Ониблейд)) is a [[hack and slash]] [[action-adventure]] game with an [[RPG]] element for [[Microsoft Windows]], [[PlayStation 3]], and [[Xbox 360]]. It was first released in Russia in late [[2007]] by [[1C Company]], later by [[TopWare Interactive]] throughout North America, [[SouthPeak Interactive]] in Europe, and finally by [[Ubisoft]] throughout Japan in [[2009]].


::::Players control Ayumi, a treasure hunter that wields a pair of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_sword gunblades] and various spells, and take her through a linear adventure that explores indoor and outdoor environments where monsters are present in both preset numbers and in areas with "Monster Generators" that spawn both standard enemies and bosses until the generator is destroyed. Hidden power-ups and coin fragments can be found to grant upgrades are throughout the game. Power-ups include combat techniques, magic, weapon enhancements, and teleportation. As players defeat enemies, they earn experience points which can be converted into skills.
Do you happen to use instant messaging? I often have things I want to query with you but you usually aren't on IRC at the time. --[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] ([[User talk:Garrett|talk]]) 23:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:No, sorry bro. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:05, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


:::All of the content above should appear above the continue nav, and the story section should be written below, under its own header. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 02:16, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
== Template help  ==


::::I could go along with that, but shouldn't be "''...and by Ubisoft in Japan''"? [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 02:28, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey Naj! I need some help with making a template for [[Dragon Ball Z: Goku Hishōden]]. There are a few battles throughout the duration of the game, and each opponent has different stats. I thought that maybe it'd be helpful to put a table on the side, because it looks neater than just listing, don't you think? You can check out my [[User:E-123Wario54/Sandbox|sandbox]] to see what I'm trying to accomplish. The template you made for Supersonic Warriors was awesome, so I was hoping you could help me with making a template one last time? <=D Thanks in advance, --[[User:E-123Wario54|E-123Wario54]] 23:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
:First pass is at {{t|DBZ GH character}}. Let me know if you want to make any changes (or better yet mess around with it a bit yourself :D). — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:19, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::Wow, thanks! Looks awesome! =D --[[User:E-123Wario54|E-123Wario54]] 00:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


:::::Sure. I've made the corrections above. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 02:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
== Redirected Walkthrough pages ==


::::::Omg, all this time spent bickering about the front page when you ''could'' have actually been helping the site by adding far more needed content like walkthrough content...  SW is a collaborative site Sarujo; if you don't like collaboration, you're in the wrong placeYour work ''will'' be edited, by sysops as well as other users. Don't be married to whatever you write because there's no guarantee that it will remain as you wrote it. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 02:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey Naj.  Just wanted to ask you about [[The Wing of Madoola]] Walkthrough page.  At some point, we had decided it was cool to redirect the Walkthrough link to the first part of the actual Walkthrough if it was determined that there was nothing worth mentioning in an actual walkthrough page.  Because the game is very linear, and you have to play through each stage from the first to the last with no exception, there wasn't much of interest that I could put in a Walkthrough page.  And yet, the Walkthrough page is required for the Header Nav, Continue Nav, and ToC, so that's why I had done what I did.  Do you think the page needs to exist with content?  Or is a redirect sufficient?  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 19:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:I think the redirect satisfies two of the three functions the Walkthrough page provides (that I'm aware of), and that is blue linking the Header Navs and SEO. The only thing it fails is navigation logic, as it takes you to a page with a different name than the link you're clicking. To be honest, I've deleted quite a few of these redirects over the last couple weeks during my project to create guide-specific image categories for every guide. My reasons are a combination of conversations with Prod about it and our decision to delete empty Walkthrough pages from the IRC meeting a while back. I'd prefer to have the Walkthrough page not redirect, as it's the most important focal point of the guide and a likely search engine destination point, but maybe you should bring it up at the next meeting and see what everyone thinks. Let me know! :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
::As usual, you (and Prod) make extremely good points. OK, I'll try to think of something to put thereSince I only noticed the Wings of Madoola deletion, is there any chance you can alert me to any other guides of mine where that's been the case?  I'll try to fill something in those cases.  Thanks man.  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 20:42, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:::O_O; Okay, I'll give it a shot, although I've [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ANewPages&namespace=14&username=NajBot been pretty busy]. :P — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I looked through the deletion log, but I don't actually see any of yours (they're mostly Garrett's, actually <_<). I think you're okay! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Awesome, thanks very much Naj, I'll fix up the Wings of Madoola. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 13:34, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


:::::::(Edit conflict) Oh I forgot, they're called artifact pieces not coin fragments and the skill purchase system doesn't require experience points, they require souls that can be found by also destroying pottery. That may seem like the same thing but the souls come off more like currency to me than experience, as the play loses their collected souls when they get a desired technique.
== Final Fantasy XIII weapons ==


:::::::Omg, I have no problem with people editing what I've done. It's the removal of the stuff all together that bothers me. If the aforementioned problems my work had were simply addressed, I wouldn't have said a word. As  has made several changes to my past edits and I've had no problem with as they were perfectly justified. But this matter is something different entirely. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] 02:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey Naj, great job on the [[Final Fantasy XIII/Weapons]] formatting you put together. It looks really nice.


The issue has been sorted out. Continue to make changes to the content on the guide pages themselves. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 02:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Feel free to delete [[Template:Final Fantasy XIII/Weapon]] and [[Template:Final Fantasy XIII/Weapon/Documentation|its Documentation]]. =) -- [[User:Imjon|Imjon]] 22:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:Well, I'm just testing some things out on the guide, such as on the Weapons page and Crystarium right now, although this is the first feedback I've gotten. :D I didn't even think of it, but your template could still be usable (if you want to go with my version of the Weapons info) with some changes so it creates the floating table off to the side. We might also want to add an optional part for the weapon image, although I haven't thought about how that will look. What do you think? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:09, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


== Tao ==
== Marvel Ultimate Alliance. ==


OK, since when is Tao in Pupsville? {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 12:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm checking this article recently and for some reason, I don't know who put the info in Black Panther like that. I like the power highlights but I don't know about the data added measure of power from one to ten. It's written well with DrBob but I think it's slightly off kilted. I don't mean in terms of grammar and spelling but whether the data is important or not. So take a look at it anyway. Curiously, I wonder how you divide your time between editing and I don't know, play games or go out shopping? People edit in different days in different times is a mystery to me. Not to mention different countries and I'm an Australian and I always assume I'm working with Americans. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 15:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
:Melon, I've resigned myself to the fact that you must discuss every minor detail on the Dog Island guide on a talk page, instead of just making your edits, but what's with your tone? You clearly dislike collaborating, so why do you torture yourself and me by continually going through this process? Your adversarial attitude behooves no one. To answer your question though, Tao is in Pupsville after you beat the game, but before you leave to go back home. I imagine he was brought in so you could say goodbye to him, since once you leave town the player-controlled portion of the game is over. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:You're right, unless the ratings are hard numbers from in-game or official numbers from the makers of the game, they shouldn't be included, as they're just opinions. That being said, the original author put them there for a reason, so if you happen to know what they are, they could be useful in letting readers make their own judgments. As for my editing time, I edit whenever I'm stuck at a computer with nothing better to do. Usually this means I'm not around much at night or on weekends, which is when I actually get to play games. :P I think for the most part, the people you correspond with on here are from the U.S.A., although there are a few people from the UK, Prod is in Canada and Garrett is in New Zealand. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm... I can't remember him being there. I'll have to get to the end of the game again and find out :P. Also you're going on like you'd rather I just edited stuff and then you'd go on at me for editing it if it wasn't right or something. Wouldn't you rather I asked first? And why am I "torturing" you anyway just because I ask you something? If I think he's not there in the entire game I can't help sounding disbelieving :P. Sometimes I wonder why I bother editing in the first place. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 16:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Compare "OK, since when is Tao in Pupsville?" with "Hmm... I can't remember him being there. I'll have to get to the end of the game again and find out :P". If you can't see the difference in tone, then read no further, as this is a pointless discussion. I really don't mind talking about editing and Dog Island, but you turn the affair into an ordeal by acting like we're rival editors. You've said on multiple occasions that I've "taken over your guide" and you make throwaway comments like "Sometimes I wonder why I bother editing in the first place." I believe I've proven my breadth of knowledge concerning the game, so it's disheartening to be continually second-guessed by someone who thinks I'm on a mission to usurp her status as Dog Island's main contributor. Yes, I would rather you just take out the offending entry with an edit summary like "he's not in Pupsville". Then I would undo your edit and say he's in there after beating the game. Maybe this sounds like unneeded complexity to you, but I find it preferable to answering every niggling post of yours. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
::::In the future Naj, just make sure the info is on the guide page so others don't have to clarify. What I mean is, there is no spoiler at [[The Dog Island/Characters#Tao]] that details Tao's Pupsville appearance. Also, his name isn't on the list at [[The Dog Island/Safe Areas#Pupsville]].


::::Side note: I found a discrepancy: on the list, "Tom" is listed, but he doesn't have a quick reference ID on the character's page. I found him with Ctrl + F, but if you're going to use #Tom, you might as well create ID's using <nowiki><span></nowiki> for each of the minor characters as well. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 23:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
== FFXIII enemy images ==


And also, just thought I'd let you know, with polar bears if I try and walk up to one while it's walking around it just turns straight away and sees me. Not sure if it actually sees me before it's turned around or not. Maybe there's some kind of regional difference or something because a few times when I've walked up behind a polar bear standing still and charged up my howl, they sometimes turn around and then see and attack me. So they don't seem to like you being infront of them either. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 08:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
How do you make the images so clear? =O --[[User:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Purple">'''E-123Wario54'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Blue">'''The Temple of Talk'''</span>]]</sup>[[File:FFI black mage (8-bit).gif|24px]] 18:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:From what I could tell of the one you uploaded, you're either using a very heavy feathering when deleting the background, or a fuzzy brush if you're using the eraser. The way I do it is with the free select tool ({{kbd|F}}), by clicking along the outline at around 200–300% zoom (you can move the nodes after you click if they're in the wrong place). Then I apply a 1px feather ({{menu|1|S|elect}}→{{menu|2|Fea|t|her}}), invert ({{kbd|Ctrl}}{{plus}}{{kbd|I}}) and delete ({{kbd|Delete}}). If there is background inside the selection (like space between the arm and body or something), I free select it, feather it at 1px and delete it. Then I bump up the zoom to 400–500% and carefully go over the outlines with a fuzzy eraser ({{kbd|Shift}}{{plus}}{{kbd|E}}) to touch up any slight background still attached to it. Next, I go back to 100% zoom, alpha to selection ({{menu|1|L|ayer}}→{{menu|2|Tr|a|nsparency}}→{{menu|2|Al|p|ha to Selection}}) and crop the image to the selection ({{menu|1|I|mage}}→{{menu|1|C|rop to Selection}}). Then I go to {{menu|1|C|olors}}→{{menu|1|C|urves}} and make a smooth 'S' shape to darken the darks a little and lighten the lights a little. Last thing I do is scale the image to 175px '''height''' so it fits nicely in the template without stretching the status rows ({{menu|1|I|mage}}→{{menu|1|S|cale Image}}). Hope that helps! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks ^_^ --[[User:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Purple">'''E-123Wario54'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Blue">'''The Temple of Talk'''</span>]]</sup>[[File:FFI black mage (8-bit).gif|24px]] 18:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


== Character images ==
== de Blob Japanese name ==


Since now all the characters are all together in alphabetical order, will you be wanting any of my minor character images (the good ones)? {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 19:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi. In http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=De_Blob&diff=0&oldid=501636 you put the Japanese name for the game in the intro paragraph. But this game isn't Japanese in origin, so this looks a little bit odd. [[Gears of War]], for example, doesn't have its Japanese name in the intro paragraph. http://strategywiki.org/wiki/StrategyWiki:Guide/Main_game_page only says that the nihongo template should be used to add Japanese text ''where applicable'' - is this an applicable occasion to do that? Cheers. --[[User:Pelago|Pelago]] 21:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, the purpose of making one big list was to allow people to add any pictures or information for any character instead of limiting things to certain ambiguous classes. Let's settle on two sizes for the images, 120px for the big ones we can get from cutscenes and some smaller size for the other ones (like 65–80px). Feel free to add any images, except for family members, where it's noted that they're the same breed as your dog. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
:It's just a way to display the Japanese, so yeah I think it's applicable—I don't think it suggests that the game ''originates'' from Japan. The {{t|nihongo}} template allows for a link to a Wikipedia page and automatic formatting for katakana and literal translations, which makes it superior to just dumping the Japanese characters into the infobox, as I view it. Here are some other opinions about it: [[StrategyWiki:Staff lounge/2009/October#Main page templates]]. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::I'm unaware of size limitations for this game, but I recommend acquiring the largest images you can and auto-scaling them as thumbnails. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 20:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah but if we make them thumbnails we get that horrible frame around them. I think the page might just look neater if they were all the same size (120px) rather than having lots of different widths, as I found out with the Catz guide. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 07:49, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


== Pardus ==
== Re: Achievements Header double image column ==
Thanks much for finishing up and the corrections. What do you think of a Commodities page, with the buildings that make and require them? Or would that be redundant? It can be derived from Buildings, but you have to look all the way through the list. [[User:Anarchangel|Anarchangel]] 04:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:That's totally up to you. I don't play the game, so whatever you think would make the most sense to a reader and be the most helpful is fine with me. Ideally it would be nice to avoid any redundancies, but sometimes a little overlap is created in the pursuit of making things easy for readers to find. Let me know if you need any help moving stuff around, and thanks for working on the guide! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:02, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


== Image position ==
Hi, I had an idea about games with very different achievement and trophy images (instead of just a couple): [[Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection#Achievements and trophies]]. This could be handled fairly easily in the template by switching out the cell width with an optional parameter. I like this layout a little better than floating the alt. images in the description cell, because they belong in the "picture" column and this way you don't have to decide which system's images get the main placement. I also like it better than a completely separate table as it avoids redundancy and page length. Let me know what you think. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's a sensible solution. However, what would happen for games with only a couple of different images rather than a whole separate set? You should raise this topic on the achievement project discussion page for better exposure (even though a lot of the discussion is just between the two of us anyway). --[[User:Garrett|Garrett]] ([[User talk:Garrett|talk]]) 23:18, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


In the FF8 guide I'm trying to adjust the position of the beginning deck image to sit in the first section on the right hand side. I'm unsure how to do this as it always goes in between the two sections when I try. If there's a way to do this, I would love to know how. Also, thanks for cleaning up my mistakes and thanks for the encouragement.
== Just a question... ==
Hi. Thanks for cleaning my update in the Dark World Section of Disgaea 2. It was my first time to share what I know in this website. By the way, in the Human Characters section, I want to add a new character and say something about it. There are already 17 sections there, and I don't know how to add a new one. What should I do? --[[User:Chrisgarci|Chrisgarci]] 06:52, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:To start a new section, just put ==''Character name''== on the page, with the content below it. That will automatically create a heading and add it to the table of contents on the page. Hope that helps. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:13, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


[[User:Calicoo|Calicoo]] 22:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
== MapleStory/Pets (Cash) ==
:I'm not really sure what you mean, sorry. It appears to be in the first section on the right to me. Basically, whenever you float an image to the left or right, the top of it lines up with the top of the text below it. So with that in mind, try moving it around a little and looking at it with the "Show preview" button until you get it how you like. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


That's odd. When I was working with it, it was showing up in between the two sections. I closed out of the edit page because I thought you had fixed the image position and it was correct on the page view without me doing anything. :/
<s>Hey, I was looking through the history of [[MapleStory/Pets (Cash)]] and found  [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=MapleStory/Pets_%28Cash%29&diff=next&oldid=432887 this diff] and realized that the images were working at one point. D'you think you could fix this with your pro find&replace skillz? :D</s> -- [[User:Imjon|Imjon]] 07:27, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


[[User:Calicoo|Calicoo]] 23:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Nevermind, did it myself. It looked harder at first glance. But the image paths had been changed to more "proper" names; should the images be moved to those "proper" names? -- [[User:Imjon|Imjon]] 07:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
:That's probably because I had changed it while you were looking at an older version. If you had tried to save the page, it would have told you that the page had been modified since you started editing. I think I know what you mean now by "between sections". You can stop floating elements from overlapping things below like section headings, by using the {{t|-}} template. It creates an invisible barrier across the width of the page to stop things like thumbnail images. Hope that helps, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
:I don't personally care, but if that's a thing on that guide or something, I'll move them for you. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 09:44, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


== Next stage of the CC walkthroughs. ==
== Spam or no spam? ==


I think that I am mostly finished with this walkthrough; I may need to add a dictionary of some of the terms and possibly more images of some important situations (''Turn Turn Turn'' and ''Cloner's Maze'', for example), but there also remains the "Pages needing wikification" tag. On the next time through the cleanup, everything remaining should be wikified; I can't see very many things left myself. [[User:Andrewb|Andrewb]] 16:22, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
An anonymous user [[Special:Contributions/24.12.201.196|24.12.201.196]] posted an external link to [[Pardus/Skilling]]. The link ([http://obsidian.darkbb.com/advice-and-faqs-f18/owl-skilling-guide-t543.htm to here]) appears to be part of a walkthrough on that game. I removed the link ([http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=Pardus/Skilling&action=history page history]) but I wanted to see what you thought of it. Thanks for checking it out. [[User:Moydow|<font color="green">Moy</font><font color="orange">dow</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Moydow|<font color="blue">T</font>]]{{dot}}[[Special:Contributions/Moydow|<font color="gold">C</font>]]{{dot}}[[User:Moydow/Userboxes|<font color="red">Boxes</font>]]</sup> 20:06, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think the wikify tag is left over from before you added all the images. The guide looks good now, and just needs to be copyedited for polish and to remove drivel. It would help if you could explain the image captions to me – are those in-game quotes or something? Many of them would be considered "drivel" otherwise. Great job on finishing the guide! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, good call. Walkthroughs should be hosted locally and external links should only be to resources that we don't or can't cover here. Thanks for reverting that edit! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:12, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
::Those captions are just comments and funny/whimsical statements about the level or something in it. How would I work something like this in? [[User:Andrewb|Andrewb]] 01:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::In general we try to adopt a more professional tone in guide pages, so descriptive captions are preferred over humorous or informal ones. I'm not sure how you would work something like that in, as we're trying to get away from that, but if there's a humorous tone to the game, some in-game quotes or level descriptions would no doubt be acceptable. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 10:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
== Bullets? ==


How do I add bullets? I've tried using (* Some text here) but in the preview it only shows up as a star.
== Skins in preferences ==


[[User:Calicoo|Calicoo]] 17:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I think the problem is that the skin should actually be using the css/js from the lowercase pages, likely just an issue with our skin specifically.  I'm planning on doing some cleanup of the skin over the next few weeks, so hopefully I'll be able to resolve that as well.  I may need to bot everyone's userpage changes though :(. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 04:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
:Assuming you mean in a table, which is where I saw you were having some problems before, you need to start a list on a new line after the pipe ( | ) that starts the cell. In other words, your table would need to look like this:
:Okay good, lowercase is what everything seems to be geared toward. I made a change to the system messages for when you edit the .js and .css in BlueCloud so we can revert that too when you make the changes. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 04:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
<pre>{|
|
* list 1
* list 2
|}</pre>
:rather than this:
<pre>{|
|* list 1
* list 2
|}</pre>
:Let me know if that clears it up for you. If not, you'll have to point me to the page having the problem. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


== Script ==


Yes. Perfect. Thank you very much.
Hi, I tried to install your script on my Common account (User:Jonund/monobook.js), but with no result. I copied the script and saved it, and then hit shift and reload (I use Mozilla). Should I have done something else? (Some other scripts I tried to install don't work either.) --Jonund [[Special:Contributions/85.157.18.122|85.157.18.122]] 14:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


[[User:Calicoo|Calicoo]] 17:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
:We don't have a user "Jonund"—which wiki are you on? Do some of your scripts work? I'm assuming you're trying to use the edit counter script, but it takes a few things for granted, such as certain elements existing and their ids being certain expected names. If you're not on StrategyWiki or Wikipedia, I'd have to take a look at it your wiki and maybe modify the script. Let me know! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:23, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


== FF VIII GF page ==
::I checked Wikipedia and found [[wp:User:Jonund/monobook.js|User:Jonund/monobook.js]], however it doesn't have any of my scripts on it and there's no history, so I don't think anything of mine ever was on it. If you have script problems in general, first make sure you're using the MonoBook skin and then be aware that some scripts don't work with AutoEd. Hope that helps. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


In the Shiva section, was I wrong for making the table 'not wide'? Is that only supposed to be used in certain circumstances? To me, it looks better without the whitespace between the text and the table, but if it's policy I understand.
:::I installed the script to my Wikimedia Commons account. I tried to link there, but when saving I had to identify a couple of words and after doing it and trying to save again, I was prompted again and again. So I gave up and deleted the link. Type http:// commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jonund/monobook.js into your browser, without the space before commons. --Jonund [[Special:Contributions/85.157.18.122|85.157.18.122]] 18:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
[[User:Calicoo|Calicoo]] 04:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:The <code>notwide</code> parameter is used to avoid huge amounts of whitespace in tables, and likewise the <code>float</code> parameter is used when tables are small enough to fit off to the side. The information filled both tables to 100%, so collapsing them wasn't doing anything. Whitespace issues above and below the table should be handled in those sections. In this case, I think moving the left image below the bullets and sizing down the right image would fix things. Let me know if [[Final Fantasy VIII/Guardian forces#Shiva|this change]] looks better to you. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 10:42, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


Instead of using your talk page I've moved the discussion to the Guide's talk page [[Talk:Final Fantasy VIII/Guardian forces|here]].
::::I just tested it on Commons and it works fine for me. Do you see the link called "Edit counter" in the toolbox when viewing your user page? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:39, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


[[User:Calicoo|Calicoo]] 13:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Now I see it! I had looked for it among the tabs (user, talk, edit etc.) Thanks a lot! --Jonund [[Special:Contributions/85.157.18.122|85.157.18.122]] 19:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


== Secret of Mana edits ==
::::::No problem, glad I could help. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:49, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the guidelines.  I was using the same format as the Weapons subarea of the Secret of Mana project, which explains the table.  [[User:Phoenix1304|Phoenix1304]] 20:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Thank for your helpfulness! There's one thing I wonder. Would it be possible to have the edit count broken up also in numbers of uploads? A great part of my edits are category edits, so it doesn't say much about how many pictures I have uploaded. --Jonund [[Special:Contributions/85.157.18.122|85.157.18.122]] 12:48, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
:No problem. We've got a whole [[StrategyWiki:Cleanup project|project]] devoted to cleaning up pages, so eventually all that stuff will be eradicated. Thanks for pointing it out! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Also, I was on my way to sort out the images, I just wanted to get them all uploaded at once.  I'll get this stuff sorted yet.  :) [[User:Phoenix1304|Phoenix1304]] 21:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
== Edit count for uploads ==
:The images have been renamed, categorized and their links updated on the armor page. You can sort out the images best during upload, so that it's not necessary to go back in and change things. The armor page is looking good, keep up the good work. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


== Image Uploads ==
I added a question to the prevoius post, but I suppose it went unnoticed, as the discussion seemed to have petered out, so I post it under a new headline. Would it be possible to have the edit count broken up also in numbers of uploads on Wikimedia Commons? A great part of my edits are category edits, so it doesn't say much about how many pictures I have uploaded. --[[Special:Contributions/85.157.18.122|85.157.18.122]] 18:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


How can I check my upload history? I did upload two files yesterday with the correct name:
:Sorry, the purpose of the script is a bit more general than that. If you want something to count and display your uploads for you I could make a custom script for you. Just let me know how you envision activating it and what would be produced. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)


- MS_NPC_Lilin.png<br>
::You're a really friendly guy! The script could be activated for instance in the same way as the edit count, with a link in the work tools. An other possibility might be to make it in the form of a user box that counts automatically. The most important thing is to count the number of uploads. If it breaks them up into images and sound files, that's also welcome. Of course, it would also be fun to know how many uploads with a particular license, and how many category edits, I have done, but I don't know how much extra work that means. --Jonund [[Special:Contributions/85.157.18.122|85.157.18.122]] 14:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
- MS_Monster_Murupia.png


So in the summary field when I try to upload an image version of Murupia, I have to write 'MapleStory monster images' ?
:::There are a couple restrictions on what I can find out through the wiki's API, such as that image and sound uploads are treated the same way (as a generic "file"). Licensing might be possible by checking the categories on each upload, but to run a sub-query on each individual upload will dramatically increase the time it takes the script to execute, so you'll have to decide how much you want that one. I'm not sure what you mean about category edits—I believe those are already given in the edit counter script. This script could be activated automatically, such as whenever you visit your user page, but you wouldn't ever be able to ''not'' have it run, so something clickable would probably be better. As for a userbox or whatnot, I usually like to write these kinds of things to a separate page so they can be transcluded wherever you want them, such as into a userbox. If you let me know what you want the finished product to look like, we can figure out the best way to achieve it. So let me know about that and whether you want to spend the time checking license categories. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the inconvenience.--[[User:Spadow|Spadow]] 20:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:You can check [[Special:Contributions/Spadow|your contributions]] to see everything you've done. Up in the top right of every page, it should be in your personal links along with links to your userpage, talk page, etc. Yes, you add <nowiki>[[Category:MapleStory monster images]]</nowiki> (and any other applicable image categories) in the summary field when you upload. Here is the change I made to one of your images for reference: [http://strategywiki.org/w/index.php?title=File:MS_NPC_Lilin.png&curid=103417&diff=424470&oldid=424431 MS NPC Lilin.png]. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:03, 29 August 2009 (UTC)


== Sandbox ==
::::Personally, I would prefer licensing information, since that gives me some information about my uploads of images from some specific countries. Yes, category-edits are given in the edit counter script. Sorry for being absent-minded. If I understand you correctly, you ask me what I want a userbox to look like. It could be a simple userbox with the text "This user has uploaded x files on Commons" and an image to the left, displaying the number of uploads. There's not room for all the licensens in a userbox, so they have to be only on the special page. --Jonund [[Special:Contributions/85.157.18.122|85.157.18.122]] 16:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::All right, I'll see what I can do. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:12, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
To be honest, I probably won't ever get around to this. Sorry. :( — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:58, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


Can I use my sand box for editing and trying new things? {{unsigned|Elevatorman138}}
== Template:Nihongo comma revision ==
:Yes, feel free to use a Sandbox page in your userpages, or use your userpage as a Sandbox page. Or you could use the [[StrategyWiki:Sandbox|site Sandbox]]. Also, please sign talk page posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


== Images ==
It seems as if {{t|Nihongo}} isn't displaying the comma between parameters 2 and 3 (the one sandwiched between span tags).  I'm not sure what to do to fix it; perhaps a class issue? I'll look more into it tomorrow.  See [[Super Baseball 2020]] for an example. It's supposed to appear between the japanese text and the romanji. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 08:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
If i just upload a image win the site pick a category that fits? I will just try to keep it simple {{unsigned|Elevatorman138}}
:That's how it is on [[wp:Template:Nihongo|Wikipedia]]. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:No, the site has no way of knowing what type of image you're uploading. You have to pick one, like <nowiki>[[Category:Screenshots]] or [[Category:Items]]</nowiki>, etc. Also, sign your talk page posts. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


== MS Dunas Images ==
== Thanks!  ==


Hello. You have deleted a file MS Monster Dunas2.png. It was not a duplicated file. In Maple Story there are 2 Dunas monsters (the one with force field and the one without it). They are different monsters and appear in different areas. [[User:Vigilium|Vigilium]] 07:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
For the customizable boss template. It's much appreciated. =D --[[User:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Purple">'''E-123Wario54'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Blue">'''The Temple of Talk'''</span>]]</sup>[[File:FFI black mage (8-bit).gif|24px]] 17:30, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, it has been restored. Please put it on a page somewhere so it doesn't erroneously get deleted again from the [[Special:UnusedFiles|unused files list]]. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:No problem. You're not the first to use it. :P — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:30, 14 May 2010 (UTC)


== Question on OOS Guide and Maps==
== Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations ==
I understand why you dissaprove my use of the dungeon maps. Notmyhandle originally suggested the use of detailed maps. Should I make different versions of them? As for the dungeon title, I was using that as a decoration for the page. It was just there to imply the specific dungeon. I was following up with the designs of the last three. Do you want me to alter the way I set up the dungeon pages? --'''[[User:Superpowered Mario||<font color="Silver">Superpowered</font>]] [[User:Superpowered Mario|<span style="color:#000090">Mario</span>]]''' 19:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:For the image, detailed maps are fine, we just can't use copyrighted images. Feel free to make your own, find compatibly licensed images or get written permission from the creator to use his maps with no watermarks. For the dungeon titles, yes they all need to be removed, per our [[StrategyWiki:Guide/Layout#Headings|Layout policy]]. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


== Start a page ==
Some of the phoenix wright pages seem to start at [[Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations/Episode 4: Turnabout Beginnings/Part 1-1: Trial|level 2]], others at [[Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Trials and Tribulations/Episode 3: Recipe for Turnabout/Part 4-1: Trial|level 3]].  I believe you helped with the formatting on some of these guides before, so do you know if this is intentional or if some of them are missing a header?  -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 17:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:Prod, what?  The word "level" is not even used in that game... --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 18:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::Header levels. -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:MarioFan1993 was working on that guide next, trying to reformat it like the featured one, but he only got part way I think. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
::That was from almost a year ago... -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 20:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Any reason to keep them at level 3? --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 03:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Consistency; perhaps he was planning on adding a 2nd level header later; maybe he was going to remove all the 2nd level headers and promote all the 3rd levels.  Is he still around? -- [[User:Prod|Prod]] ([[User talk:Prod|Talk]]) 04:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


You said that this is the 3rd time you tolde me can you tell me where i went woring so I can do better?<br />
== Images ==
[[User:Elevatorman138|Elevatorman138]] 22:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
:When you go create a new page, look above the edit text box and you'll see four buttons. If it's a page within the guide (e.g. Yoot Tower/Page name), then click on the "Guide page" button and it will insert the necessary templates for you. You don't need to touch them (the Header Nav and Footer Nav templates), just put your content in between them. If you look at the image on your talk page, you can see what the buttons look like. Good luck, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:18, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Age of Empires 2. ==
 
I'm very sorry for what I did. I should've known better. Well I know what the consequences are now but at the same time, I was very suspicious of The Conquerors Expansion that some of the pages were ripped off from Gamespot Gameguide pages and that affected me very badly. If those pages were edited differently, then I would've changed my approach but what's done is done. I won't do it again but I don't know if I want to leave the expansion pages the same way. So if you check those pages, you'll understand the reason why it affected me to making such a huge mistake. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 07:56, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Call of Duty Modern Warfare. ==
 
I was thinking of setting up a new page for the Wii but I'm stuck with a split decision. The reason is essentially a port of Call of Duty "4" Modern Warfare made for PC, Xbox360 and PS3. I don't know if setting up a new page is a good idea or merge with an existed page or something. If you have a solution, you can resolve it for me because if the "4" is part of the Wii, than I won't bother creating an article. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 14:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:If the majority of the content is the same, and the Wii version is simply named differently, the Wii version should get a categorized redirect page, and an appropriate comment should be made in the introduction page. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 14:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 
:I love to make it work but with so many different game title names that are either similar or disimilar, I can't stop feeling confused. I could end up screwing up too easily. I should've put it in the "Staff Lounge" area but it's too late already. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 15:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
::Well, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare hasn't been released yet, so we won't know for sure until it is. It's being called a port, has a different developer, is for a much weaker system (hardware-wise) and is spending an extra two years in development, so it's likely that much will be cut from it or it will be significantly different. For now, we need to figure out if "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare" should redirect to COD4 or get a main page with a {{t|future}} template on it. I'm leaning toward it having its own page for now, then redirecting later if need be. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
::Ok. I'm just taking the time to look at COD4MW since I'm very unfamiliar with it. From the time I'm chatting with you, it's around two months away. Anyway, take you time and let me know on my talk page. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 15:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 
::I hate to break it to you but the title for the Wii is Call of Duty: Modern Warfare: Reflex. I don't know why but it just happened already. This is just an update anyway. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 10:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
== Aran skills ==
 
Hey, could you upload all 4th job images and two skill images from 3rd job.<br>
I incorporated most correct translations and skill data, if you added the images, I could finish the whole skill template.
 
Thanks in advance--[[User:Spadow|Spadow]] 00:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:You probably want [[User:Notmyhandle|Notmyhandle]]; I don't play MS or know anything about it. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Made my first page ==
 
Hay i made a game page! Check it out and tell me if it is good!<br />
[[User:Elevatorman138|Elevatorman138]] 19:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, well there were some major problems, so take a look at [[Elevator Action Returns]] and [[Elevator Action² -Returns-]]. The first link is the one you were making (although you didn't properly capitalize the title), but the problem is that is the arcade game and you were trying to start the Sega Saturn game's guide, which can be found at the second link. If you look at the box art you uploaded, you can see the ². Anyway, good job on using the "Main game page" button to start the page. Next time you just need to properly wikify and fill out the infobox. Most of the entries are links (e.g. <nowiki>[[Taito]]</nowiki> not Taito) but the <code>series=</code> parameter is ''not'' linked, meaning you would use "Elevator Action", not "<nowiki>[[Elevator Action]]". ([[Elevator Action]]</nowiki> links to the [[Elevator Action]] game, by the way, not the {{c|Elevator Action}} series.)
 
:Lastly, the box art you uploaded was misnamed and was missing the guide-specific category. I changed the name to have the name of the game in it and added the Elevator Action² -Returns- images category to it. So, just look at the links, go into edit mode and poke around and try to familiarize yourself with how it's done. Keep up the good work. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Image categorisation ==
 
Oh I did not notice that was the ''icon'' category. I have copied the file description from here: <nowiki>[[File:MS_Item_Silver_Snowboard.gif]]</nowiki>. There are still some items in the ''icon'' category. Should we leave them there? [[User:Vigilium|Vigilium]] 21:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well, if they're all named '''MS Item ''something''''' then I can do it fairly easily. If there are other naming styles that aren't icons, then it will take a human who knows what the image is to change it. I'll see how many I can find. Thanks for pointing it out. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, I looked at the MapleStory icon images category and it wasn't that big and there were only a few miscategorized ones, so I changed them. The MapleStory images category probably has more though. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
::Once again I've copied the description from an other file ([http://strategywiki.org/wiki/File:Soul_caliber_2_cover_%28xbox%29.jpg this one]). [[User:Vigilium|Vigilium]] 16:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Instead of copying from other files, just read [[StrategyWiki:Guide/Image naming|the policy]] and adhere to it. If you want to be very helpful, you can even fix the ones you're copying like [[:Category:Cleanup project members|we do]]. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Image categorization ==
 
Hey, I think I understand it now. You just add the Category:(category) tag in the summary field, right?<br>
I uploaded a skill (Freeze Standing) and added Category:MapleStory skill images & Category:Icons. (with the brackets)
 
Although, I don't see these categories on [http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Category:Images this page].--[[User:Spadow|Spadow]] 22:06, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Something creepy going on... ==
 
On loads of pages I'm seeing content replaced with "doors.txt;10;15" and pages created with "doors.txt;10;15 " on them. Is this supposed to mean something? And also I assume I'm supposed to be banning the IP users who create/remove content from those pages since it's vandalism. {{User:Melon247/My sig}} 13:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Route 103 ==
 
I guess it would go later on in the guide...  Most of that information is completely useless early on because it is separated by water.  I was planning on just remaking the page later on when I figure out where it goes, but if you want to undelete it, feel free.  In fact, that might be best because it'll probably be a while before I even get there.  Sorry about that.--'''[[User:Dukeruckley|<font color="blue">Duke</font><font color="red">Ruckley</font>]]<sup><small>[[User_talk:Dukeruckley|Talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Dukeruckley|Contribs]]</small></sup>''' 12:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
:Oh, no problem, I know you know what you're doing – I was just wondering what to do with the image. I'll throw it on the guide talk page and you can use it whevener you get to it. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:05, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== RE: Scribblenauts ==
 
I would like to edit the ToC but I'm not exactly sure how to. It would probably be better to get someone whose experienced in something like that to do it.--[[User:Bentendo|Bentendo]] 20:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
:EDIT: Just a second, I might be able to do it! Sorry! --[[User:Bentendo|Bentendo]] 20:48, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
::No problem, just try it out use the existing links or other ToCs for reference if you need to. I'll keep my eye on it and help out if need be. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Arranging BSP Island Cap Info ==
 
I was talking to a few contacts on the Eidos forum, and they've stated that "if the reader's goal is to learn to play Island Capture, I think it is more important for him to understand and remember the types of units at the bases, rather than the actual names of them.".
 
Now my question to you is, how can I condense the data that I have into something on a single image? It's a heckuva lot of data, as you can tell. I'm honestly not sure as to how condense what data I had into something comprehensible. The problem lies in that there are exceptions to the rules - for example, if you look under Base 9 under [[Battlestations Pacific/Dreadnought|Dreadnought]] you'll see that it is the ONLY one that can spawn specifically light cruisers on the Japanese side.
 
Any suggestions you have would be greatly appreciated. If you can't seem to think up anything, I'll just go with what I have currently. --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 17:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:If I had all the information, I might be able to suggest something. If size/prettiness wasn't a factor, what would a section contain? What is all the information you want to give? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 17:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
::All I want to give are the locations of the islands and what class of units it can spawn. It would mean reducing the tables into one or two letter abbreviations (DD for destroyer for example) and then shoving all of it onto the map. My major concern is legibility on the site. --[[User:Arrow|Arrow Windwhistler]] ([[User talk:Arrow|talk]]) 17:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Re: categorizing ==
 
Sorry about ignoring the last warning. I thought it would automatically categorize the image under "MS" as I included it in the file name.
 
So lets say I wanted to upload another Map Icon. I would use the example Destination Filename of : MS Example Icon.png
 
and in the summary, I would write: ((Category:Icons))
((Category:MapleStory icon images))
 
Is that correct? (Replace ( ) with [ ])
 
Sorry for the inconvenience.
--[[User:SlipNSlide|SlipNSlide]] 20:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's basically it. You can see a list of all the MapleStory-specific categories on the [[:Category:MapleStory images|MapleStory images category page]]. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:46, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Thanks ==
 
I'm sorry, it's been a while since I made something here (since May 2009). So thanks, I'm off to read the markup guide now!--[[User:Megamanenm|Megamanenm]] 18:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:No problem. Let me know if you need anything. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 
== Flight Simulator ==
 
So, separate subLOGIC FS from Microsoft's? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Flight_Simulator#SubLOGIC_Flight_Simulators --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 00:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
:That's the gist I got from the WP article and <nowiki>http://www.volny.cz/havlikjosef/fshistoryenglish.htm</nowiki> (blocked by spam filter). What do you think? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 03:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Re: Controls tables ==
 
Hi, as I explain on [http://forums.abxy.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=26771 this thread] on the forums, there's a problem with the "standard" way of formatting control tables and a reason why I typically do it the other, slightly more complex way. Basically, for compatibility and accessibility reasons, Web standards recommend keeping content separate from presentation, and using header elements for cells that actually contain data instead of headers breaks that rule. Making the control images center-aligned and the text left-aligned is a presentational attribute and should not be implemented through semantic markup. Unless there is a valid reason to classify the control images as "header cells" (and "It's easier" doesn't count), the "non-standard" method I usually use works better. [[User:Wanderer|Wanderer]] 22:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
:Okay, well that sounds reasonable to me (although not worth changing the existing style for), but until it becomes our guideline for controls tables, we need to use the method outlined in the user guide. The problem isn't that you're doing something wrong in and of itself, but rather that you're making controls tables differently than everyone else. You might want to bring it up in the staff lounge, since it doesn't seem to have gotten much exposure on the forums. Also, you can bring it up at the [[StrategyWiki:Meetings|meeting]] tomorrow, where you're sure to get some instant feedback. Until something changes, please just use the style guidelines already in place on the wiki. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think the readers will care if it follows the guidelines, so long as it works. Besides, the guide doesn't even actually say anything about this issue outside of the example. [[User:Wanderer|Wanderer]] 23:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
:::The idea behind a cohesive style is that the readers ''do'' care, insomuch as seeing different styles around the site may be more noticeable than seeing the same methods on every guide. Besides readers, standards also allow editors to use a guideline, which makes producing certain elements easier, as there are numerous examples to copy. What's in the guide is what we use as our guidelines – a specific policy isn't necessary. In this case, the formatting found in the user guide is also widespread throughout the wiki as well. At any rate, arguing that we don't need any guidelines probably won't get you anywhere, so you'd be better off just lobbying to change them. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:12, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
::::That's not at all what I was arguing for. [[User:Wanderer|Wanderer]] 23:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Okay, sorry, it sounded as if you were saying anything goes as long as readers aren't too put off. Anyway, I can't personally change this guideline – it would require a consensus from the community. Right now you've gotten answers from both Prod and me, so if you want to continue pushing your proposal forward, you'll have to bring it up in the appropriate venue (again) and let people discuss it. Until then, please follow the guideline, however ill-conceived you may find it. Thanks, — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:37, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Scareface The World is Yours. ==
 
I'm surprised. I never thought you pulled that off. Or maybe with some help. I have to compliment you for bringing it up to Stage 4 in terms of Walkthrough and the amount of depth that was put into this game guide. I have to admit my walkthrough on Marvel Ultimate Alliance is quite sloppy with some details skipped over. Anyway, whenever you finished with whatever you're doing, if you have free time, you can help me with Marvel Ultimate Alliance and add in some major depth. I don't know how you pulled off this foul mouthed game but you have my thanks for this. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 07:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I can't really take credit (and I didn't if you check the history :P). The walkthrough came from [http://faqs.ign.com/articles/807/807306p1.html this guide], which was released into the public domain. You can see a list of all the guides waiting to be imported [[StrategyWiki:Content import|here]] and the ones that have been imported [[StrategyWiki:Content import/Completed|here]]. It ''did'' take me all day to clean it up for the wiki, but I'm sure it took the author much longer to put it all together. I'm sorry I won't be much help on Marvel Ultimate Alliance, as I don't have the game. I think you're doing a great job on it though, so keep up the good work! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 07:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::Ok. At least do the front page for me. I might check IGN but Gamefaqs is also helpful to its limited extent and see if there's anything else I've while I was writing the Walkthrough. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 12:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, I cleaned it up a bit and imported the writeup from Wikipedia. Also, raised the completion level to 3. Good job! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:23, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 
== Jallen9000 content ==


Hi. I saw your edit to [[Chibi-Robo!/Chibi Doors]] with the information from http://faqs.ign.com/articles/711/711202p1.html, by Jallen9000. I was intrigued to see that this user has produced lots of FAQs (http://club.ign.com/b/contrib?username=Jallen9000&which=faqs), many with similar "do with this whatever you like" clauses. A nice lot of info there that could be copied into SW. I was just wondering - have you tried contacting him (I assume it's a he)? I know that he says he's happy for the content to be used however you like, but it might be nice to have a chat with him, just to make sure that he's happy that a note in an edit history (which will get buried after a while) is sufficient as a credit. You never know, he might even wish to become a direct SW contributor.--[[User:Pelago|Pelago]] 22:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Just wondering if it is OK to upload other people's screenshots from games posted online to use as guide images, because the copyright would belong with the developer/publisher in the first place and their use would constitute fair use anyway? Could do with some clarification on this. Thanks! '''[[User:JordanH|Jordan]]'''[[User talk:JordanH|H]] 20:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:No, I haven't tried contacting him/her. The walkthroughs are fairly old and he doesn't put contact information in his guides (that's I've seen), so I don't even know if it's possible or if he'd be interested. If he's unhappy though, there's not much we can do about it, so that's kind of a moot point. It would be nice to have another prolific contributor though. By the way, I imported his entire [[Scarface: The World Is Yours]] guide yesterday. He's very thorough! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's fine as long as there are no watermarks and they haven't added anything on top of them. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::A bit of googling finds that his main home is http://boards.nsgstation.com/ where he (and he is male, according to his profile there) is a "senior manager" with 56,632 posts! You need to register for the site to see that, which I have just done. I might PM him tomorrow, unless you wish to... --[[User:Pelago|Pelago]] 22:31, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
::The honorable thing to do would be to credit the author of the screenshot in the file description. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 20:46, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::No, by all means go ahead. Good luck, and let me know what the outcome is! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:32, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Why? They didn't author anything. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:47, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Right, well I asked him:
::::They authored the gameplay session required to produce said screenshot. While it's very minimal, credit should still be given to the player, especially when it is taken from a longplay, speedrun, TAS, or some other valuable mine for game screenshots. --[[User:Sigma 7|Sigma 7]] 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:Would you be happy for information from your guides to be incorporated into the guides at http://strategywiki.org/ ? Any information that was copied from one of your guides would have a credit in the History link from each guide page, and the content would be able to be modified/improved by any other users of the site. It would be great if that was ok with you. Of course, you are very welcome to register as a user on StrategyWiki yourself, if you wish to make your own contributions.
:::::No it shouldn't. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:07, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
He replied:
::::::There was labor involved to produce the image. Our images get copied all the time (often without credit), so I feel that we should be the better man. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 00:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
:Of course you can use my guides just mention my name. Thanks for asking.
:::::::Correct, though the labor to produce the image was on the part of the developer and/or publisher, which is why they are the copyright holders and the only parties required to be credited. If putting the name of someone who pressed print screen and uploaded a file to the internet in the image description makes you feel like a better man, then that's a personal choice. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
So I think that's fine. I've noticed that you're already aware of his content in general, and have put it in the import log. Do we have anywhere in particular to store permission information, rather than it just being here in a user talk page? Maybe in the discussion page for each guide's top-level page, or somewhere central? I realise he says that it's public domain, but searching GameFAQs for that phrase it seems people seem to think that means different things, so it's not always clear! It would be nice to have permission to point at if necessary. --[[User:Pelago|Pelago]] 19:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Right, crediting the screenshotter is not of a legal matter, but of a moral one.  First, the original issue posed by JordanH has been answered. Secondly, diverting to the other side of the issue, since we are a community, it makes sense to uphold respect for all people. Why? Because they can be part of the community! Non-members can become members, forum goers, contributors to GFAQs and MobyGames, they can all become our contributors. Although we have some elitist policies (e.g. external link minimization to strengthen our independence), we don't have to be disingenuous towards strangers or other sites. It's a choice that affects our reputation.
:The permission is stored in the original source, which is referenced in the edit summary. Each import must be taken on a case-by-case basis, as you're right, not everyone is really releasing their work into the public domain. Jallen9000's caveat, which is extremely common, is to just give him credit. We do so in the edit summary and so our obligation is met for using his work. The edit summary is used instead of a talk page, because it's more permanent, while a talk page can be edited and/or deleted. The only time we need to host the permission ourselves, is if the permission isn't explicitly stated in the source, such as when we are using copyrighted information with permission. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 19:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
::Yes, you're right - mentioning/linking it via the edit summary is the correct place, and better than my suggestions. Searching on GameFAQs, it seems many people say their content is "public domain" but that it cannot be updated for example, which is annoying! Still, I'm coming across quite a lot of content which we might be able to use... --[[User:Pelago|Pelago]] 21:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
:::Great! Please add a link to the import list if you're not going to bring the info directly into the wiki yourself. Hopefully we can get a bunch of guides set up that way. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


==RE: Preload Buttons==
::::::::I know the issue is insignificant in the scheme of things, but it really pisses off people who do the work. I'm not one of those people, anymore, because before contributing, I convince myself that working for the public domain is best (even if SW has a slightly restrictive license).  Also, people may modify screenshots.  A modified image can no longer be fully credited to the original copyright holders. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 21:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice about the preload buttons. And about the Power Stone thing; it was not released on the Gamecube. I was just messing around with the tables function and I copied that table from another game. I know how tables work now so I fixed it. Check it out sometime. Power Stone has been one of my favorite games for a long time, so I intend to contibute a lot to the wiki.- --[[User:Neldakid|Neldakid]] 21:19, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
┌───────────────────────┘<br />
:That's awesome, thanks for working on the guide. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:21, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
You keep saying "people who do the work", but as someone who has taken a screenshot before I can tell you that it is no work at all. If the screenshot is modified, whether the modifier needs to be credited depends on how much modification has been done. Cropping, lightening, watermarking, etc. doesn't add enough to the image for it to be considered original, from a derivative copyright standpoint. Anyway, all you're saying is it's nice to put a credit in every circumstance, and you're welcome to that opinion and no one is stopping anyone from doing so. So, thank you for your thoughts, I guess. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)


== Table of Contents editing ==
== Upcoming meeting ==


Can you please tell me how to change the table of contents. The sections in the table of contents for the Power Stone wiki I'm editing are a little innapropriate for that genre. I would very much appreciate the help.--[[User:Neldakid|Neldakid]] 21:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
As a reminder, there is a meeting this Saturday, May 29, on IRC taking place at 2:00pm EDT (UTC -4). As always, agenda is available on the forums, so you may view it and suggest additions there. Hope to see you there! --{{User:Ryan Schmidt/sig4}} 04:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
:You can edit [[Power Stone/Table of Contents|this page]]. The table of contents is transcluded into all the other pages in the navs, so your changes will be live everywhere in the guide. Yeah, the ToC doesn't look right. Usually "Characters" would be under the "Getting Started" heading, and "Arenas" would either be under Getting Started or Appendices, which is missing from the page. Let me know if you need any help, as most ToCs make extensive use of the {{t|col}} template. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:27, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


== Thank You ==
== GIMP scripts ==


YAY! Thanks for helping with the Power Stone page.--[[User:Neldakid|Neldakid]] 04:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
Although we have a category for these, any that are uploaded will remain as unused files unless someone links to them. Can you start a personal page for any that you upload? [[File:2Dimage-3Dimage.txt]] is lonely (well, technically, not any more). --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 20:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
:No problem. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it. :) — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 04:11, 6 October 2009 (UTC)


== Preload buttons ==
== DumbViet is back! ==


Oh, thanks for fixing the page. About the Wikipedia page, I only copied the image. (since no official logo can be found on the Internet)<br>And I already knew about MapleStory DS since Korean gaming websites released articles about it.--[[User:Spadow|Spadow]] 00:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Glad to say I'm back.  
:Sorry about that, I didn't look closely enough at the Wikipedia page to see that the writeups were different. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 01:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


== Atari controls ==
Looks like the Combat Arms page need some updating. I'll get on that, but I can't do much with my lowly rank.


I'm an idiot Naj.  Something occurred to me, and I forgot to mention it until you already uploaded the files... It might be better to list Atari joystick controls as Left and Right instead of 1 and 2.  The reason being, it didn't become standard for Left to be Player 1 until part of the way through the life of the console. In some early games, like Air-Sea-Battle, Player 1 was on the Right side.  Sorry, I should have mentioned that earlier... '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 13:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Anything major happen to Combat Arms or the Wiki since last June? (Other than the Black Market guns exclusion). {{unsigned|DumbViet}}
:All right, I'll change them when I get home. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 15:17, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
:Welcome back! Sorry to say I have no idea what's going on with the Combat Arms page (I don't play the game). Let me know if you need anything. :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 12:23, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


== SMB2 ==
:: Actually, the developers went money crazy, so it's pretty much impossible to play now, so never mind. :P I'll be sticking around a little though. [[User:DumbViet|&#91;&#91;User:DumbViet&#124;&lt;color#0000FF&quot;&gt;DumbViet&lt;/color&gt;&#93;&#93; &#91;&#91;User talk:DumbViet&#124;&lt;color#FF0000&quot;&gt;Talk&lt;/color&gt;&#93;&#93;]] 22:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


Wait, I thought we were going to leave SMB2J as SMB2J and rename SMB2US to just SMB2?  Since no one had a strong feeling about it, I thought that was kind of how we leaned on my talk page.
== New super mario bros. wii walkthrough page ==


P.S. The Atari controls look awesome.  Not sure if the text color might be too light though against the white background?  '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 20:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Can the Walkthrough page be created or has it been decided that the page is not necessary. --[[User:Dprather|Dprather]] 19:58, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, I was leaning toward SMB2US → SMB2, but I couldn't tell what your preference was, to be honest. Sorry. :( If you prefer, I'll do it the other way, I was just trying to go by the least subjective criterion, in case down the line we run into a more ambiguous situation as far as which name is more popular to our readers. I noticed the light text color as well, which definitely looked better against the black console on which I modeled it. I could see it going to a <span style="color:#ff8800">'''bolder orange'''</span>, perhaps. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah, of course it can be started. Just make sure there's some content for it and it's not a duplication of the Table of Contents. See [[StrategyWiki:Guide/Walkthrough pages#Walkthrough page|this section of the guide]] for more details. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 20:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
::I agree that the bolder orange would help make the text pop off the screen.  As for SMB2, I'm torn.  If we were a Japanese site, it would be a non-issue.  In the end, I always say when in doubt, check WP, and in fact, WP gives the title to the US version, so that's what I think we should do to be consistent. '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 20:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


== Re: Beer Tent ==
== Achievement unlocked ==


Sure. I don't think the image will be needed anymore. It had been added before the Beer Tent was implemented and we had no screenshots of the area. [[User:Vigilium|Vigilium]] 18:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Just my way of thanking you for all the amazing hard work. ;) '''[[User:Procyon|<span style="color:red">Pro</span>]][[User talk:Procyon|<span style="color:grey">cyon</span>]]''' 14:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
:Got it, thanks! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 18:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
<center>[[Image:Najzere_Achievement.jpg]]</center>
Thanks bro! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 14:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


== Copyright Infringement - King of Dragon Pass ==
== Re: Achievements/trophy template ==


The text here may be a copyright infringement, but it's not infringement on the something awful thread, it's the exact direct game text.  Is that allowed to be copied, or must it be removed? The notes after the game text are my own words, gathered from a combination of reading the scant info online (including that thread) and some of my own experience. [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] 21:15, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
How close are we to rolling this out? What else needs to be done for this template? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 13:24, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:Well, it's pretty of dicey. There's no problem with us quoting the game or the manual, but we do so under the notion of fair use, which only allows us to use as much of the copyrighted material as is needed to illustrate the point we're getting across. When we copy/paste whole paragraphs and pages of text, we're no longer making a page about a game, we're directly competing with the source of the information. I don't think fair use covers that much text, either here or on the SA forums. It would be great if you could rework it in your own words, paraphrase and just use small bits of quotes when necessary. By and large, the work on the wiki is all original contributions and imports of compatibly licensed works. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:Besides making it into a functional template, not much. I had hoped to get some feedback from more than just the two of us, but that didn't go so well. :) Anyway, I'll onto turning it into a proper template. [[User:Garrett|Garrett]] ([[User talk:Garrett|talk]]) 22:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
::Is this enough of a removal? Can the banner go away now? [[User:Fieari|Fieari]] 21:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::Cool, looking forward to it. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 22:58, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, thank you for fixing it so quickly! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


== 1 out of 2 better than nothing ==
== I'm having troubles with heavy rain ==


Thank you for helping with the cleanup on [[Bubble Spinner]] is looks alot better now. TG Motocross 2 was a failure by me i apoligze but i will try and do some real video games not like flash browser games if thats ok with you? [[User:Lumbargo|Lumbargo]] 16:09, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
:That would be excellent and much preferred. Thanks for sticking around! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)


== A Simple English Strategywiki? ==
Thanks for the walkthrough of Heavy rain,
I'am proposing this project for approval support or oppose?
look when i get the epilogue with Madison signing the books, i finish the game but the epilogue doesn't get register in the chapters. Why could that happened?


[[User:Seabanks|Seabanks]] 00:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. {{unsigned|190.26.174.231}}
:Oppose. We only have one Wiki. --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 06:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not sure. The same thing happened to me, although it still counted toward the trophy. Were you able to get the trophy for all endings? — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 00:16, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
::I support it in theory, but I just don't think we have the manpower at the moment for that kind of project. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 08:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Important message to you Najzere and everyone i will posting on staff lounge I have created a simple video games wiki at this link http://simplevideogamewiki.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page i would love if any of you would like to contribute in your spare time to this wiki also... up to you. thank you. [[User:Seabanks|Seabanks]] 09:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


==Combat Arms spreadsheet==
== What's up? ==
I'm not sure in which of these catagories this goes but, I made an easy access spreadsheet on the combat arms weapons page with the wiki info on google docs for readers to print if needed. It got deleted and a message on my talk page from you said that i was spamming external links. This is not the case. I merely made a spreadsheet for readers to print. And a feedback page for corrections. I would have put this in the weapons part instead of the bit explaining the damage but I could not edit that part. I would like to have my spreadsheet featured on the page as it would help readers alot. [https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An6i3GAj-PNjdFpWOFcwbVZsejFpYm1uSjdjeDdmQkE&hl=en spreadsheet is here] for you to approve --[[User:WiiRocks|WiiRocks]] 21:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:We host information like that on the wiki. Feel free to import that into the guide using a table. We don't send users offsite to view information like that, and we don't request they provide feedback from external sites either. If you have something related to the game that we ''don't'' cover in a guide (meaning it's outside our scope), then we can create an external links section on the main page of the guide. Check out the [[StrategyWiki:Guide/External links|external links policy]] for more information. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 21:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


== Drivel ==
Hey Naj, I've noticed you're never around too much anymore. Is the awesomeness of summer getting in the way? <=D --[[User:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Purple">'''E-123Wario54'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Blue">'''The Temple of Talk'''</span>]]</sup>[[File:FFI black mage (8-bit).gif|24px]] 03:44, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:Naw, not really, I'm just not doing cleanup stuff anymore, which comprised the bulk of my edits before. I've been working on {{c|Sam & Max}} episodes lately. Hope you're having a good summer, and good luck with the FF13 bounty! :D — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks, and you have a great summer too! =) --[[User:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Purple">'''E-123Wario54'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:E-123Wario54|<span style="color:Blue">'''The Temple of Talk'''</span>]]</sup>[[File:FFI black mage (8-bit).gif|24px]] 20:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


Ah, sorry about that. I will get to fixing that. Haven't edited here in a while because I've been involved in GameFAQs. I appreciate the alert, but might I alert you in turn to an idea we have around Wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_template_the_regulars Don't template the regulars]? '''''[[User:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="black">bibliomaniac</font>]][[User talk:Bibliomaniac15|<font color="red">1</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Bibliomaniac15|<font color="blue">5</font>]]''''' 02:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
== Mario Tennis and Mario Power Tennis. ==
:Indeed, this concept extends to all businesses. I've recently been reading about related topics, and I think it's important for all of us to be aware of the effect that automated and mass messages have (e.g. {{t|welcome}}). For example, from a study about getting the attentions of executives, the "messages that both evoked emotion and were personalized were more than twice as likely to be attended to as the messages without these attributes" (Tom Davenport and John Beck, "Getting the Attention You Need", p. 118-126). Also important is being concise. Regulars are more affected by this than new comers, because they are aware of the hierarchical structure of the organization, and familiar with members of the administration (i.e. they feel like and want to be treated as equals; a matter of fairness and respect). --{{User:Notmyhandle/Sig}} 19:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


== Re: Consolidating Pages ==
Hello. You still working? I want to clear... how do you put it? Let's say the title page. I want to nicely fresh up the things that was typed near the boxart. Can you help refresh it? I'm having a comfortable time working on the Mario Tennis on Wii VC and Mario Power Tennis on GC and Wii. It's not exactly like Scarface getting a star treatment but in my solo, lonely work, my skills are getting better. Not exactly the grammar but in the brainstorming. I'm getting carried away here. Anyway, at least refresh the title pages and I'll be able to finish the guide and at least have a good time with it. I don't know if you're a fan of those games but it wouldn't hurt to try them. Take your time.


Hi Nazjere,
Thanks. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 12:13, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:Okay, I think the main pages look all right. — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 23:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


I split up the Weapons pages by weapon category because there are a lot of weapons in DQVIII and I thought the information would be more organized that way.  I happened to have started with the smallest weapon category (Flail), which is what you stumbled upon.  I would be happy to reorganize the Weapons pages by character, as they would actually be more accessible and easier to read in that fashion.  I will follow suit with the Armor, Abilities, etc. pages if applicable.  Sorry about the delay, I've had a busy week :P. -- [[User:Poulin91|Poulin91]] 23:33, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
== NBA Jam and Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes ==
:No problem. Thanks for the response! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 16:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


== Transformers: Autobots/Action Replay codes ==
Perhaps you didn't know that NBA Jam has been released for the Wii. I'm about to make a new page but I can't decide on the title. Should it be NBA Jam or EA Sports NBA Jam? Same with a mouthful Sengoku Basara Samurai Heroes of Samurai Heroes. I have to say the titles is not always straightforward but I'm certain there's not one game with such a long title anyway. What do you think? Long or short? Let me know.


Hey, I just wanted to say that I guess that it doesn't need to be on a separate page. I'll set the table of contents back to normal.
Thanks. [[User:Johnnyauau2000|Johnnyauau2000]] 00:59, 16 October 2010 (CDT)
:Hi, I created the main pages for you so can go from there when you're working on the guides. They're at [[NBA Jam (2010)]] and [[Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes]]. Good luck! — [[User:Najzere|<span style="color:#909090">najzere</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Najzere|<span style="color:#993300">T</span>]]</sup> 06:00, 16 October 2010 (CDT)