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Significant image categorization policy changes

I rescind my claims. My claims in the beginning of the below discussion is unwarranted/illogical at this time. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 15:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

As a result of the discussion on Procyon (talk · contribs)'s talk page between Procyon, RAP, Prod, and I, the consensus was to move the category overhaul discussion over here. Note that this discussion is fairly similar to the one above regarding the proposed change for the inclusion of more specific genre sub-categories. Ok, so what am I talking about?

Current policy
  • All guides have their own guide-specific image category. Clones and versions have their images in there too. Sub-categories are allowed, but optional.
  • We have broad image categories like Screenshots and Sprites. I believe these were originally used so that Images could be a category-only container.
    • We have ~19 broad categories.
Proposed revised policy
  • Guide-specific images - no change, but necessary as this is our "primary" category of image categories. It is the one that matters. Sub-categories of this are one per guide.
  • All broad category (e.g. screenshot, sprite, box artwork, maps, models, icons, and artwork) images that do not have a guide-specific category should be under Other images or something similar. Guide-specific images no longer need other broad categories. This new cat is a suggestion, as I assume we want to keep Images clear of files. The rationale for the disbanning of broad categories revolves around their uselessness. I asked the question, "What benefit do broad categories have?" In comparison, small, specific categories help people find similar categories. This is why sub-categories of a guide-specific image cat will still be allowed. We aren't getting rid of categories, but those that add wasteful complexity here.
    • Instead of categorizing as screenshot, or sprite, a general description of the image type would suffice in the description. Many images already have this.
  • Achievement/Trophy images - do they need to be in the same category? Is there a time when searching for achievement images from all games is useful? Probably not. If necessary, just make a guide-specific image sub-category.
  • Controller buttons image category appears semi-useful for finding images, or we could just do a better job at listing all of the pertinent controller button images on their respective template documentation.
Oddities to address
  • Compilations: these guides can have their own image category. However, most of these will only have a few images in them (like the box artwork).
  • Versions: some versions, like Super Mario Advance, have their own image category (Category:Super Mario Advance images). This is allowed and probably for the best. Due to the amount of revisioning that occurs here, combining Super Mario Advance and Super Mario Bros. 2's image categories would just be extra work. There is always the possibility that in the future, we could have a more redundant system where guides are split out. Though differences between versions would be poorly addressed, players who focus on a single version (99% of players) would have a better, clearer, more simple guide. The rule of thumb should be "don't change the system if it is already complete". That said, if the image categories were combined to begin with (e.g. SMA images categorized under Super Mario Bros. 2 image cat, that would be fine, too.

This is version 0.01. Have at it! --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 00:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't want to get rid of all these other categories, since I think some can be useful. For example, tagging diagrams shows which images were created by users as opposed images out of the game. Some of the other categories also have some useful descriptive properties. Although they can all just be part of the description, having categories standardizes the descriptions and makes them searchable. Same for achievement images. For controller buttons, I think a category is much more useful than listing them on the page. Thinking back, I had actually started the categorization of the subcategories within the tagging categories since I didn't want to go through every MapleStory image and tag it appropriately when we first transwiki'd the guide.
For the guide-specific image categories, if there's a main page, there should be a guide-specific image category for it. The guide pages will already provide enough links about the connections between the games, the image categories don't need to.
I think we should make a few of the well defined image categories, as well as the guide-specific category, mandatory, but leave most of the other tagging categories optional. -- Prod (talk) 04:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Notmyhandle (talk · contribs): For achivements/trophy achievement categories, I assume this is for system or service-wide achievements only like Apple's Game Center achievements or Steam achievements. Would this include in-game achievements? Currently, in Category:Achievement images, the description says: "Images of achievements for Xbox 360, Xbox Live Arcade, Steam and Games for Windows." --RAP (talk) 07:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
@Prod (talk · contribs): ok, one of my basic assumptions was that the categories were failing to sort by any useful way. I have been mistaken. I went to Screenshots and it is ordered by game name, so that could be useful. Also, off topic, this is really handy for finding the seemingly huge percentage of broken gif thumbnails. RAP, you should take a look some time and scan through it one page at a time. Honestly, now I feel like my argument is completely invalid. Categories are useful and clear. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 15:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
@RAP (talk · contribs): We should just change that sentence to include "in-game only achievements". RAP, if you find a category that needs some clarifying, like I edited on icons and sprites, please post in the staff lounge. I think this topic doesn't need to be discussed or changed anymore. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 15:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Redirect categorization and category total statistics issue

  • Case: Mega Man X uses {{sys|psp}} to show the release date for the PSP remake, Mega Man Maverick Hunter X. Because the remake is significantly different and not just a title to be redirected, the redirect page has its own categories.
  • Problems:
    1. The original 2D Mega Man X game is not on the PSP, but appears in the PSP cat. Two ways to fix: 1) (We do not want this): remove the use of {{sys|psp}}, and to do that you have to remove all other uses of {{sys}} otherwise the infobox does not look uniform. 2) modify {{sys}} so no cat is generated. I modified {{sys}} with a "nocat" parameter we can use. Problem solved.
    2. The PSP cat now has both games listed in it, which inflates its number of total games incorrectly. This is fine as long as we agree that we should increase the StrategyWiki:Guide completion total games lists with these additional redirect titles. Otherwise, we end up with more games in the category than in the total list, and it breaks the guide completion template and page.

--Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 20:00, 26 April 2014 (UTC)